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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:11:00 -
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So I check the SOV map today and I see Convicted's space has been split between GSF and GENTS.
Can someone explain to me how this works because (lol), there's no fighting in Null, so what is it, do these Alliances buy space from each other or something? How does Convicted lose all of its space in one day?
I notice this a lot when looking at the influence map. Like entire regions will be given to one Alliance in one day, and, again, no one fights in the big blue doughnut, so how does this get done?
Is this about Tech or something (I don't know much about how Tech works)?
How does all of this space get thrown around this way in such a short amount of time?
I thought Convicted get kicked out of CFC. Are they still buddies?
Sure wish I could be asking about fights in null, but alas the most exciting thing about null is the influence map.
Please don't bother linking some random kills by gate campers (WUT U TALKIN BOOT? WE FITEZ IN NULL ALOTZ, SEE!), that's not what I'm talking about.
Think about that fight that happened with PL and GSF a few weeks ago. You know it's sad when a fleet battle is top story news. |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:12:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:
So I check the SOV map today and I see Convicted's space has been split between GSF and GENTS.
Can someone explain to me how this works because (lol), there's no fighting in Null, so what is it, do these Alliances buy space from each other or something? How does Convicted lose all of its space in one day?
I notice this a lot when looking at the influence map. Like entire regions will be given to one Alliance in one day, and, again, no one fights in the big blue doughnut, so how does this get done?
Is this about Tech or something (I don't know much about how Tech works)?
How does all of this space get thrown around this way in such a short amount of time?
I thought Convicted get kicked out of CFC. Are they still buddies?
Sure wish I could be asking about fights in null, but alas the most exciting thing about null is the influence map.
Please don't bother linking some random kills by gate campers (WUT U TALKIN BOOT? WE FITEZ IN NULL ALOTZ, SEE!), that's not what I'm talking about.
Think about that fight that happened with PL and GSF a few weeks ago. You know it's sad when a fleet battle is top story news.
no fighting in null laughing my buttocks off
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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:14:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:Max Doobie wrote:
So I check the SOV map today and I see Convicted's space has been split between GSF and GENTS.
Can someone explain to me how this works because (lol), there's no fighting in Null, so what is it, do these Alliances buy space from each other or something? How does Convicted lose all of its space in one day?
I notice this a lot when looking at the influence map. Like entire regions will be given to one Alliance in one day, and, again, no one fights in the big blue doughnut, so how does this get done?
Is this about Tech or something (I don't know much about how Tech works)?
How does all of this space get thrown around this way in such a short amount of time?
I thought Convicted get kicked out of CFC. Are they still buddies?
Sure wish I could be asking about fights in null, but alas the most exciting thing about null is the influence map.
Please don't bother linking some random kills by gate campers (WUT U TALKIN BOOT? WE FITEZ IN NULL ALOTZ, SEE!), that's not what I'm talking about.
Think about that fight that happened with PL and GSF a few weeks ago. You know it's sad when a fleet battle is top story news.
no fighting in null laughing my buttocks off
Sooo....are you trying to say GSF happened to kick the **** out of Convicted like that in one day?
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:19:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:Max Doobie wrote:
So I check the SOV map today and I see Convicted's space has been split between GSF and GENTS.
Can someone explain to me how this works because (lol), there's no fighting in Null, so what is it, do these Alliances buy space from each other or something? How does Convicted lose all of its space in one day?
I notice this a lot when looking at the influence map. Like entire regions will be given to one Alliance in one day, and, again, no one fights in the big blue doughnut, so how does this get done?
Is this about Tech or something (I don't know much about how Tech works)?
How does all of this space get thrown around this way in such a short amount of time?
I thought Convicted get kicked out of CFC. Are they still buddies?
Sure wish I could be asking about fights in null, but alas the most exciting thing about null is the influence map.
Please don't bother linking some random kills by gate campers (WUT U TALKIN BOOT? WE FITEZ IN NULL ALOTZ, SEE!), that's not what I'm talking about.
Think about that fight that happened with PL and GSF a few weeks ago. You know it's sad when a fleet battle is top story news.
no fighting in null laughing my buttocks off Sooo....are you trying to say GSF happened to kick the **** out of Convicted like that in one day? http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png equating sov grinding to fighting is like comparing brussel sprouts to pizza
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Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
267
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:20:00 -
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I thought the remains of Li3 were going to that space.
Edit, ah well, they will have more room to install other CFC members. |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
271
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:22:00 -
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This seems like a troll (and a pretty bad one), but...
Sov is actually held by corporations. It's a simple matter of transferring sov to corporation A in alliance A, then having corporation A join alliance B. There are sov transfer corps that are created for this express purpose.
Here's an example of a sov transfer corp: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/County_Dispatch_Heroes/alliances http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:23:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:Max Doobie wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:Max Doobie wrote:
So I check the SOV map today and I see Convicted's space has been split between GSF and GENTS.
Can someone explain to me how this works because (lol), there's no fighting in Null, so what is it, do these Alliances buy space from each other or something? How does Convicted lose all of its space in one day?
I notice this a lot when looking at the influence map. Like entire regions will be given to one Alliance in one day, and, again, no one fights in the big blue doughnut, so how does this get done?
Is this about Tech or something (I don't know much about how Tech works)?
How does all of this space get thrown around this way in such a short amount of time?
I thought Convicted get kicked out of CFC. Are they still buddies?
Sure wish I could be asking about fights in null, but alas the most exciting thing about null is the influence map.
Please don't bother linking some random kills by gate campers (WUT U TALKIN BOOT? WE FITEZ IN NULL ALOTZ, SEE!), that's not what I'm talking about.
Think about that fight that happened with PL and GSF a few weeks ago. You know it's sad when a fleet battle is top story news.
no fighting in null laughing my buttocks off Sooo....are you trying to say GSF happened to kick the **** out of Convicted like that in one day? http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png equating sov grinding to fighting is like comparing brussel sprouts to pizza
How is Convicted giving it's space to GSF "SOV Grinding"?
I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but how could you do that in one day?
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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:25:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:This seems like a troll (and a pretty bad one), but...
Sov is actually held by corporations. It's a simple matter of transferring sov to corporation A in alliance A, then having corporation A join alliance B. There are sov transfer corps that are created for this express purpose.
If you think it's a troll then GTFO of the thread dude.
I'm asking a serious question because I want to know.
I do not understand how an entire Alliance loses it's space like that.
I do not mean the mechanics,which is what YOU explained. I understand how to actually do it.
My question is WHY it happens. Do alliances buy the space or what b/c I see this often.
Are you basically saying that Convicted has joined GSF? |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
267
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:27:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:This seems like a troll (and a pretty bad one), but...
Sov is actually held by corporations. It's a simple matter of transferring sov to corporation A in alliance A, then having corporation A join alliance B. There are sov transfer corps that are created for this express purpose. If you think it's a troll then GTFO of the thread dude. I'm asking a serious question because I want to know. I do not understand how an entire Alliance loses it's space like that. I do not mean the mechanics,which is what YOU explained. I understand how to actually do it. My question is WHY it happens. Do alliances buy the space or what b/c I see this often. Are you basically saying that Convicted has joined GSF?
They got that space because they were part of the CFC, they were kicked out, so the Sov had to be returned. |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
271
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:28:00 -
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Quite simply put, cordial arrangements were made well ahead of time for C0NVICTED's space to be transferred within the CFC.
This agreement involved executors within both C0NVCITED and the CFC.
Then one day, they went ahead as planned and did sov transfers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:29:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Max Doobie wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:This seems like a troll (and a pretty bad one), but...
Sov is actually held by corporations. It's a simple matter of transferring sov to corporation A in alliance A, then having corporation A join alliance B. There are sov transfer corps that are created for this express purpose. If you think it's a troll then GTFO of the thread dude. I'm asking a serious question because I want to know. I do not understand how an entire Alliance loses it's space like that. I do not mean the mechanics,which is what YOU explained. I understand how to actually do it. My question is WHY it happens. Do alliances buy the space or what b/c I see this often. Are you basically saying that Convicted has joined GSF? They got that space because they were part of the CFC, they were kicked out, so the Sov had to be returned.
Oh.
Makes sense.
Makes my outlook on Null sec even bleaker seeing as how there's "landlord's" and crap but, makes sense.
Thank you Dheeradj. I knew you loved me, you were just afraid of other Testies knowing it.
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Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
267
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:31:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Max Doobie wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:This seems like a troll (and a pretty bad one), but...
Sov is actually held by corporations. It's a simple matter of transferring sov to corporation A in alliance A, then having corporation A join alliance B. There are sov transfer corps that are created for this express purpose. If you think it's a troll then GTFO of the thread dude. I'm asking a serious question because I want to know. I do not understand how an entire Alliance loses it's space like that. I do not mean the mechanics,which is what YOU explained. I understand how to actually do it. My question is WHY it happens. Do alliances buy the space or what b/c I see this often. Are you basically saying that Convicted has joined GSF? They got that space because they were part of the CFC, they were kicked out, so the Sov had to be returned. Oh. Makes sense. Makes my outlook on Null sec even bleaker seeing as how there's "landlord's" and crap but, makes sense. Thank you Dheeradj. I knew you loved me, you were just afraid of other Testies knowing it.
Funny, I never met you, never talked to you. The only things I heard about you are second hand. I still think you're on Xenuria's level though. |
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:31:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:Quite simply put, cordial arrangements were made well ahead of time for C0NVICTED's space to be transferred within the CFC.
This agreement involved executors within both C0NVCITED and the CFC.
Then one day, they went ahead as planned and did sov transfers.
Makes sense, thank you for the clarification.
In the future, please stop assuming that simply because a question seems dumb to YOU, that the noob is supposed to be a troll of some sort.
You vets trip me out man...you say noobs should ask questions then when we do you call us trolls...then when we do dumb **** out of ignorance you jump on us for not asking questions, but when we ask questions you call us trolls, but when we don't ask questions you call us idiots for not asking questions and... |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2873
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:35:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Oh.
Makes sense.
Makes my outlook on Null sec even bleaker seeing as how there's "landlord's" and crap but, makes sense.
You mean that thing that's existed in roughly the same form since the days of BOB (and even before)?
There are actually fewer identifiable pets now than there were in the past (Hint: Not all coalitions have a Master:Pet dynamic). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:38:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Max Doobie wrote:Oh.
Makes sense.
Makes my outlook on Null sec even bleaker seeing as how there's "landlord's" and crap but, makes sense. You mean that thing that's existed in roughly the same form since the days of BOB (and even before)? There are actually fewer identifiable pets now than there were in the past (Hint: Not all coalitions have a Master:Pet dynamic).
I've been playing for like, 4 months dude.
I barely even know who the hell BOB is.
From what I see, the Master/Pet dynamic is very much alive and well in nullsec. That's why it sucks so much. People are scared to fight for fear of disrupting daddy's isk hoarding operation.
That and "oh I can't have a mind of my own. I'm a new Alliance and I have to join a blue blob coalition to survive and a better play ball or my space will be taken away".
It's garbage. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air Red Alliance
3213
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:46:00 -
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;_; |
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:52:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:;_;
Oh snap, you guys joined RA?
Cool.
Heard good things about you guys. I saw the transcript, those guys were douches to you guys.
Best wishes to you all in the future. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
548
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:53:00 -
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Eve is probably the only game where a significant proportion of subs are from people paying to be able to complain about how much they hate Eve.
******* viking bastards are geniuses. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2984
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:55:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:
I've been playing for like, 4 months dude.
I barely even know who the hell BOB is.
From what I see, the Master/Pet dynamic is very much alive and well in nullsec. That's why it sucks so much. People are scared to fight for fear of disrupting daddy's isk hoarding operation.
That and "oh I can't have a mind of my own. I'm a new Alliance and I have to join a blue blob coalition to survive and a better play ball or my space will be taken away".
It's garbage.
If you're 4 months old, you shouldn't be making comments on subjects you very obviously don't understand, nor formulating opinions based on what you hear on the forums and highsec rather than firsthand experience.
Returning space is not a big deal. It is politics. They had two options, return CFC space to another CFC entity, or burn bridges, lose it in a sightly longer period of time, and make a very powerful enemy. They intelligently returned the space.
When coalitions invade regions, it isn't one alliance doing the work. It is every member group. Space is generally split between alliances that did very well or don't have a "home" yet, but the space was conquered by every member of the coalition.
When a group leaves a coalition and returns their space to it, they're simply giving it to another entity that bled just as much for it as they did. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:56:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Eve is probably the only game where a significant proportion of subs are from people paying to be able to complain about how much they hate Eve.
******* viking bastards are geniuses.
I don't hate EVE at all. No more than I hate America.
I simply hate the direction it's going in.
Concern implies an attachment.
If I didn't complain and show concern and instead simply unsubbed and walked away, then you'd know I hated EVE. |
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:57:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote: You vets trip me out man...you say noobs should ask questions then when we do you call us trolls...then when we do dumb **** out of ignorance you jump on us for not asking questions, but when we ask questions you call us trolls, but when we don't ask questions you call us idiots for not asking questions and...
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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 00:58:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Max Doobie wrote:
I've been playing for like, 4 months dude.
I barely even know who the hell BOB is.
From what I see, the Master/Pet dynamic is very much alive and well in nullsec. That's why it sucks so much. People are scared to fight for fear of disrupting daddy's isk hoarding operation.
That and "oh I can't have a mind of my own. I'm a new Alliance and I have to join a blue blob coalition to survive and a better play ball or my space will be taken away".
It's garbage.
If you're 4 months old, you shouldn't be making comments on subjects you very obviously don't understand, nor formulating opinions based on what you hear on the forums and highsec rather than firsthand experience. Returning space is not a big deal. It is politics. They had two options, return CFC space to another CFC entity, or burn bridges, lose it in a sightly longer period of time, and make a very powerful enemy. They intelligently returned the space. When coalitions invade regions, it isn't one alliance doing the work. It is every member group. Space is generally split between alliances that did very well or don't have a "home" yet, but the space was conquered by every member of the coalition. When a group leaves a coalition and returns their space to it, they're simply giving it to another entity that bled just as much for it as they did.
1) I know I don't know everything. Hence the reason I made a thread inquiring on the subject. 2) 4 months is plenty of time to see null sec for what it is: an oligarchy. Are you claiming differently? What exactly, in your eyes, would be the fate of a new alliance to null that refused to join a coalition? 3) You're a bit late explaining the Convicted situation, but thank you still.Any information is appreciated.
Plus what you said doesn't make much sense. If convicted helped CFC then why was ALL of their space taken? And why was ALL of the space given to GSF if GSF didn't do ALL of the work? Why wasn't it split between the remaining CFC members? |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2013.02.25 01:11:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Max Doobie wrote:
I've been playing for like, 4 months dude.
I barely even know who the hell BOB is.
From what I see, the Master/Pet dynamic is very much alive and well in nullsec. That's why it sucks so much. People are scared to fight for fear of disrupting daddy's isk hoarding operation.
That and "oh I can't have a mind of my own. I'm a new Alliance and I have to join a blue blob coalition to survive and a better play ball or my space will be taken away".
It's garbage.
If you're 4 months old, you shouldn't be making comments on subjects you very obviously don't understand, nor formulating opinions based on what you hear on the forums and highsec rather than firsthand experience. Returning space is not a big deal. It is politics. They had two options, return CFC space to another CFC entity, or burn bridges, lose it in a sightly longer period of time, and make a very powerful enemy. They intelligently returned the space. When coalitions invade regions, it isn't one alliance doing the work. It is every member group. Space is generally split between alliances that did very well or don't have a "home" yet, but the space was conquered by every member of the coalition. When a group leaves a coalition and returns their space to it, they're simply giving it to another entity that bled just as much for it as they did. 1) I know I don't know everything. Hence the reason I made a thread inquiring on the subject. 2) 4 months is plenty of time to see null sec for what it is: an oligarchy. Are you claiming differently? What exactly, in your eyes, would be the fate of a new alliance to null that refused to join a coalition? 3) You're a bit late explaining the Convicted situation, but thank you still.Any information is appreciated. Plus what you said doesn't make much sense. If convicted helped CFC then why was ALL of their space taken? And why was ALL of the space given to GSF if GSF didn't do ALL of the work? Why wasn't it split between the remaining CFC members?
The CFC has two standing rules: 1) all members must participate in strategic ops and 2) you must remain stable and not give the other member alliances migraines.
Convicted was having problems with corp turnover (which was true) and was (allegedly) having leadership issues and were asked to leave Follow me on twitter |
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.02.25 01:19:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:Max Doobie wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Max Doobie wrote:
I've been playing for like, 4 months dude.
I barely even know who the hell BOB is.
From what I see, the Master/Pet dynamic is very much alive and well in nullsec. That's why it sucks so much. People are scared to fight for fear of disrupting daddy's isk hoarding operation.
That and "oh I can't have a mind of my own. I'm a new Alliance and I have to join a blue blob coalition to survive and a better play ball or my space will be taken away".
It's garbage.
If you're 4 months old, you shouldn't be making comments on subjects you very obviously don't understand, nor formulating opinions based on what you hear on the forums and highsec rather than firsthand experience. Returning space is not a big deal. It is politics. They had two options, return CFC space to another CFC entity, or burn bridges, lose it in a sightly longer period of time, and make a very powerful enemy. They intelligently returned the space. When coalitions invade regions, it isn't one alliance doing the work. It is every member group. Space is generally split between alliances that did very well or don't have a "home" yet, but the space was conquered by every member of the coalition. When a group leaves a coalition and returns their space to it, they're simply giving it to another entity that bled just as much for it as they did. 1) I know I don't know everything. Hence the reason I made a thread inquiring on the subject. 2) 4 months is plenty of time to see null sec for what it is: an oligarchy. Are you claiming differently? What exactly, in your eyes, would be the fate of a new alliance to null that refused to join a coalition? 3) You're a bit late explaining the Convicted situation, but thank you still.Any information is appreciated. Plus what you said doesn't make much sense. If convicted helped CFC then why was ALL of their space taken? And why was ALL of the space given to GSF if GSF didn't do ALL of the work? Why wasn't it split between the remaining CFC members? The CFC has two standing rules: 1) all members must participate in strategic ops and 2) you must remain stable and not give the other member alliances migraines. Convicted was having problems with corp turnover (which was true) and was (allegedly) having leadership issues and were asked to leave
That's reasonable.
TY for further clarifying.
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No?
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Mon Diddies
Ascendancy. Test Friends Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.02.25 01:49:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:I thought the remains of Li3 were going to that space.
Edit, ah well, they will have more room to install other CFC members.
its true. we were given to option... or i should say we were told to move there as our goon bosses told us to. however our corp decieded to stay in a real allaince and coalition. HBC #1 TEST alliance= BEST alliance Dont believe anything you read, and only half of what you see. To be fair dont trust what you hear either.!!!!!!! TINFOIL ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!! |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2013.02.25 02:40:00 -
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Mon Diddies wrote:Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:I thought the remains of Li3 were going to that space.
Edit, ah well, they will have more room to install other CFC members. its true. we were given to option... or i should say we were told to move there as our goon bosses told us to. however our corp decieded to stay in a real allaince and coalition. HBC #1 TEST alliance= BEST alliance ~those evil goonies~
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