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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.20 17:03:00 -
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Make comments like this:
<< Don't worry about what Jash says, he just likes to complain and argue. He would argue and complain both sides if he thought he could get away with it. =D >>
Wrangler, you are not my friend. If you think you can joke with me like one of my friends can, you're so far off base you're not even in the stadium.
Now if you want to troll while ignoring your responsibilities as a moderator, that's fine and dandy with me. Don't say jack when I respond in kind
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.20 17:04:00 -
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Hmmmm.
Moderators really shouldn't make personal comments.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mr Popov
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Posted - 2003.07.20 17:04:00 -
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Does blocking someone in-game block them for me on the forum too? If not, that would make a great addition...
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Crownan
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Posted - 2003.07.20 17:22:00 -
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I think just deleting stupid threads immediately would be a great addition.
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.07.20 17:23:00 -
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This is an official in-game forum owned and run by CCP. IMO the moderators, given the nature of these boards, should be very careful with what they say.
Making personal comments and/or taking "sides" in discussions really is something i'd like to see you steer clear of, as your comments may well be percieved as official CCP ones.
I realise you are all voulenteers, but you also all have "playing" characters, so if you want to be funny at someone elses expense, do it with your playing char, thxbye :)
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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.07.20 17:36:00 -
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i disagree, why should the moderators who probably work voluntary or for a bit off their sub bother worrying about what they say, when its quite clear that CCP has FAll to do with these forums, as they obviously never read them - or digest the general concensus of what iis wanted.
Most recent example secure containers, another fix, which doesnt do what was originally intended - go read the patch or ideas forums for a way in which secure containers could actually be made to fulfill the role they were originally asked to fill.
WE get perhaps one post per two weeks for Pann, usually saying very little, or perhaps a preview of the new patch notes.... marvellous customer care, why should we ever expect more from the Mods, if clearly the Devs CBA.
Oberon Incorporated. |
Nephlite
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Posted - 2003.07.20 17:47:00 -
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Agree,
Most polaris are pretty good about their jobs but certain ones, come across rather immature and silly posting stupid comments and whatnot.
Real moderators are often a bit more professional knowing when to speak and, more importantly, when not to.
Edited by: Nephlite on 20/07/2003 17:49:01
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Artuis Skah
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Posted - 2003.07.20 18:14:00 -
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Wrangler's been calling me a troller as well, not only that, he seems to enjoy deleting posts such as this one that incriminate him..
Not long before this one goes too..
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Dale Cussler
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Posted - 2003.07.20 18:17:00 -
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Moderators are supposed to be impartial and objective entities - by deleting threads, they've already overstepped their bounds, unless the thread in question deserved to be deleted. Deleting it because it attacks them is wrong; that should just get locked.
Moderators choosing sides, or making statements about board users should, in my opinion, be booted.
I've moderated many boards in my 'net days, and every time you get moderators who forget they're supposed to be there for the board instead of the board being there for them. These moderators usually proceed to ruin the board by their mere presence.
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Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.07.20 18:39:00 -
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Maybe if you can rustle up just a bit more righteous indignation Jash, you could see fit to get fed up and leave. After all, that would be the surest way to get the mods to stop making comments about your arguementative posts.
Edited by: Cymoril on 20/07/2003 18:40:23 |
Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.07.20 18:45:00 -
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"Maybe if you can rustle up just a bit more righteous indignation Jash, you could see fit to get fed up and leave. After all, that would be the surest way to get the mods to stop making comments about your arguementative posts."
Because we don't want arguments do we? Please CCP, stop the discussion and development of ideas on the forums now before opinions get out of hand! Honestly Cymoril, you make me want to pod you with that kind of talk.
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I used to be in the FA. I like cookies. Eve Radio is teh pwn. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.20 18:47:00 -
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<< Maybe if you can rustle up just a bit more righteous indignation Jash, you could see fit to get fed up and leave. After all, that would be the surest way to get the mods to stop making comments about your arguementative posts. >>
Was that your trash hauler I sideswiped on the way to Hulm? One of my drones say something rude in binary to your ship's computer (they've been known to have a bit of a byte)? Is that the source of your dislike?
Or did I pop one of your precious falsehoods you cling to in your mind about this game's perfection? And now robbed of your illusions you have to find some way to fight back?
Doesn't matter. Wrangler stepped over his bounds. Not his first time doing it either. This time he chose me to pick with. Not a problem cause I don't mind smacking him right back.
Edited by: Jash Illian on 20/07/2003 18:50:18
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.07.20 18:51:00 -
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Because we don't want arguments do we? Please CCP, stop the discussion and development of ideas on the forums now before opinions get out of hand! Honestly Cymoril, you make me want to pod you with that kind of talk.
When did I say "we" don't want arguements? Oh, that's right, I didn't. I don't care if there are arguments on the boards. I also don't care if someone who is arguementative is called arguementative by a mod. You may want to try reading my post next time instead of reading in to it. |
Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.07.20 18:53:00 -
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Quote:
Was that your trash hauler I sideswiped on the way to Hulm? One of my drones say something rude in binary to your ship's computer (they've been known to have a bit of a byte)? Is that the source of your dislike?
Nope
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Or did I pop one of your precious falsehoods you cling to in your mind about this game's perfection? And now robbed of your illusions you have to find some way to fight back?
Nope.
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Doesn't matter. Wrangler stepped over his bounds. Not his first time doing it either. This time he chose me to pick with. Not a problem cause I don't mind smacking him right back.
Yeah, you sure showed him. |
Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:00:00 -
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What you are not understanding, Cymoril, is it is not for the mods to make posts about members. Their job is to keep the rules in the ToS and EULA upheld within the forums. Understand why Jash is angry before you wet yourself next time.
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I used to be in the FA. I like cookies. Eve Radio is teh pwn. |
Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:05:00 -
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Please don't pretend to know what I understand and what I don't.
Secondly, you'll notice I made no comment about the "rightness" or "wrongness" of moderators posting in the way Wrangler did. |
Elias Root
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:12:00 -
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Hmm - so yes, I think moderators do have a responsibility to try to remain generally impartial, although they also have the right to express their own opinions. Especially on these boards where the mods are players just like the rest of us, volunteering their time to read the posts, rather than paid representatives of CCP. Each one needs to find a way to get a good balance of this.
Now I'm not defending Wrangler's post, but it might serve us to look at this situation in the context of the thread it was part of - another of those 'I quit' posts, the point of which many people have questioned.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=20827&page=3
I thought you had overstated your point, Jash, and had seemed a little more argumentative ("harsh") than the discussion needed. It looked to me like Wrangler's post also recognised that but was attempting to lighten the atmosphere a little before it got out of hand. Maybe his comment was misjudged, maybe it could have been phrased better, and maybe he could have added a more specific emoticon to make his intention clearer. But it still looked more like banter to me than trolling.
Even if it had been intended as a genuine insult, your reply to Wrangler did little to foster an atmosphere of intelligent, adult discussion. It seems like you're really quite angry about this issue, Jash, but I think you've overreacted to it. :)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:14:00 -
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Cymoril:
No worries. I don't really care what beef you have with me. I do appreciate your help keeping this at the top of the page though, where other people can also post their objections to Wrangler's moderation.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:23:00 -
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You're welcome. Although I'm pretty sure you could find a way to keep it where it is with or without my help.
As to this "beef", where does this come from? |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:30:00 -
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<< Hmm - so yes, I think moderators do have a responsibility to try to remain generally impartial, although they also have the right to express their own opinions. Especially on these boards where the mods are players just like the rest of us, volunteering their time to read the posts, rather than paid representatives of CCP. Each one needs to find a way to get a good balance of this. >>
Wrangler and some others in Polaris have been overstepping the boundaries between their responsibility to the community in providing a healthy atmosphere. And absuing their abilities and neglecting their responsibilities in an attempt to remove any negative opinions, regardless of how the opinion is voiced.
They have ignored unprovoked attacks on players if that player's opinion doesn't state awe at the abilities of CCP's programmers. They have actively sought to oppress the opinions of specific authors on these forums through overmoderation. And this is not the first time a Polaris member has made a public attack against a member of the community.
I detest people being negligant in their responsibilities or abusing their authority far more than I dislike shoddy programming, poorly thought out concepts and bad implementation
<< Now I'm not defending Wrangler's post, but it might serve us to look at this situation in the context of the thread it was part of - another of those 'I quit' posts, the point of which many people have questioned.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=20827&page=3
I thought you had overstated your point, Jash, and had seemed a little more argumentative ("harsh") than the discussion needed. It looked to me like Wrangler's post also recognised that but was attempting to lighten the atmosphere a little before it got out of hand. Maybe his comment was misjudged, maybe it could have been phrased better, and maybe he could have added a more specific emoticon to make his intention clearer. But it still looked more like banter to me than trolling.
Even if it had been intended as a genuine insult, your reply to Wrangler did little to foster an atmosphere of intelligent, adult discussion. It seems like you're really quite angry about this issue, Jash, but I think you've overreacted to it. :) >>
Wrangler does not have the ability to 'banter' with me. As I stated at the top of this thread, he's not my friend nor does he have the ability to joke with me like he is one of my friends. Further, given his past actions, there is no doubt in my mind that he meant it as a personal attack. Someone I dislike making a joke at my expense gets corrected to their mistake. Someone I dislike making a personal attack on me gets responded to in kind.
And despite taking a fair size swing back at him, I still took the time to state the reasoning behind the suggestion concerning the chainsaw. And why I called him what I did.
And the final purpose of the response in that thread is that a person that does not abuse their position or neglect their responsibilities in Polaris will go smack some sense into Wrangler for provoking a member of the playerbase.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:33:00 -
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By becoming a volunteer and fufilling the role they forfeit their right to voice personal opinions on other people through characters/aliases that are linked to them
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:44:00 -
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Quote: "By becoming a volunteer and fufilling the role they forfeit their right to voice personal opinions on other people through characters/aliases that are linked to them"
Say that again !!
Edited by: MOOstradamus on 20/07/2003 19:44:46
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Galk
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:49:00 -
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I don't understand.
This isn't eve discussion.
Surely if One person has an arguement against the moderators, that person should conduct in private.
This topic has nothing to do with the game.
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Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/ |
Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:50:00 -
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Whats wrong with that M00strademus?
They represent the company and shouldn't be smacktalking other people.
If i became a forum mod then i would use another name, for example Illidan.
Now if i am speaking as Illidan I cant smack talk. If I'm using Archon I can smack talk as much as I like as no one knows they are the same person.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.20 20:03:00 -
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<< I don't understand.
This isn't eve discussion.
Surely if One person has an arguement against the moderators, that person should conduct in private.
This topic has nothing to do with the game. >>
One person emailing CCP can be ignored. Especially if that email goes to the wrong person, who displays similiar tendancies.
Several people saying the same thing shows a problem. And this concerns the community here at the forums. And does involve the game because of it.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.07.20 20:07:00 -
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Quote: "If i became a forum mod then i would use another name, for example Illidan."
ARCHON STORMRAGE: Firstly my comment was a joke based on your double post. But secondly and more seriously your above suggestion contradicts the first statement as Illidan would still be linked to you and accordingly therefore would still be unable to 'smacktalk' if in fact the first statement is correct - which I wholeheartedly disagree with !!
/me hugs YOU just in case anyone senses personal animosity instead of just fundamental abhorration (<-- this should be a real word) of policy if true.
Edited by: MOOstradamus on 20/07/2003 20:08:15
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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JohnnyBlaze
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Posted - 2003.07.20 20:34:00 -
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Yeah, forum mods should KNOW THEIR ROLES.
The name's johnnyblaze ain't a damn thing changed. |
Crownan
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Posted - 2003.07.20 20:44:00 -
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Fine. Here is my support *for* the forum moderator(s). My only complaint is that there aren't enough on duty to lock/delete these threads fast enough. In fact, since there doesn't seem to be 24/7 moderation, I would like to see new threads held until a forum mod can approve them. That way the puerile rants of a bitter person who's delusions lead him to believe his monthly subscription fee entitles him to be the Creative Director for CCP will never have to be read.
Eve is not an oppressed country that we have to *live* in. We are here of our own free will. That will being manifested in the payment or non-payment of the monthly bill. There will be no REVOLUTION. There will be no victory march into the CCP offices. There will be no overthrow of the current regime.
That having been said, forum moderators, please delete this thread.
Edited by: Crownan on 20/07/2003 21:11:33
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Vidar Kentoran
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Posted - 2003.07.20 21:01:00 -
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You people whine too much. STFU. CCP provides these forums out of their own generosity, you have no rights here and if you don't like it you can just not post.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.07.20 21:14:00 -
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New threads held until a forum mod can approve them? What are you an idiot? Must I asked permission to take a **** too?
Paying the monthly subscription fee does NOT entitle you to be "Creative Director for CCP", however if they have any intelligence they would go with what the MAJORITY wants not what the powergamers, favorite pet ccp patch review forum posters, or any other people in good (good ass kissing abilities) standing with them wants. CCP ever heard of a public poll? Oh also maybe you should concentrate on answering your PAYING customer's questions instead of answering some guys question over at IGN boards?
Lock and delete this post? Whats wrong with this post? Just because it has people voicing their dissatisfaction with the SOME of the moderation team? Please change the name of this forum from General Discussion to Kiss CCP Ass.
About their lack of reason, abuse of power your wondering about. For example, the craze that swept through the forums not long ago about the nerf bats. Where does it say you may not have Richard Simmons in your sig? It ALL could have be AVOIDED if the mod would just kindly explain TRUTHFULLY why they don't like the sig instead of just deleting entire posts on sight, and after it became to overwhelming to delete, with to many people participating, they would give a short one sentence "reason". Great show of professionalism and maturity. It really boosted my confidence on how CCP chooses its "QUALITY" volunteers. If their volunteers are already of this caliber, I wonder how "GREAT" the actual paid CCP staff is.
Sure I know and seen some good moderators, but there are some of you that need a good smacking. I might be wrong and the DEV's are probably working hard, but hard work doesn't cut it. Just because your a great mathemetician doesn't mean you will be a good math teacher.
Some of you might say after reading my long ***** post, why don't you just quit?
I can't, I have a great corp, with great members that I enjoy playing with. If it wasn't for them, I would have not even bothered coming to retail after seeing all the **** they did in beta.
PS: Vidar, what your doing is also considered *****ing, so you yourself also needs to STFU.
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