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Iria Fonulique
501st Amarr
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Posted - 2013.02.26 13:48:00 -
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I just finished The empyrean age yesterday. I don't exactly understand why it gets so much hate, themittani.com and other places seem to really rag on it.
Its not masterwork of literature, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I don't fully understand Jamyl Sarum and both her "sides" Whats up with Falek Grange?
I am getting ready to start the burning life, then on to Templar on. Sadly I was only able (at that time) to get the second two in hardback.
I am going to guess that Templar one is going to expand more on some of the lingering issues. |
LordSwift
Wrabble Wrousers The Rejects.
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:28:00 -
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Personally i wouldnt read the Burning Life i read it and am still wondering what the heck it was about! Move Straight onto Templar one! that will answer a whole ton of issues including Sarum's "Issues" Mal: "If anyone gets nosy, just...you know... shoot 'em. "
Zoe: "Shoot 'em?"
Mal: "Politely." |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:04:00 -
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I hated TEA, almost since the beginning. But not because it is not well written (not a masterpiece of literature, but it doesn't fail horribly either), but of the story: it's too full of Deus Ex's everywhere (the Elders, the Broker, Jamyl...) that seem to just derail the story every time they appear, throwing into an unexpected and rather hard to believe direction each time. It has things that are quite hard to understand from a scientific point of view (for example, why the hell does The Broker's disease move with him from clone to clone?) and it twists the lore of all factions beyond the point of logic (megacorporations? Bah, throw them all under Heth, we need to simplify Caldari lore even if we basically destroy it!).
So, all and all, I hoped those pages had never been written, and it has taken all my desires to read the rest away. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Initiate Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Iria Fonulique
501st Amarr
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:43:00 -
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LordSwift wrote:Personally i wouldnt read the Burning Life i read it and am still wondering what the heck it was about! Move Straight onto Templar one! that will answer a whole ton of issues including Sarum's "Issues" I have gotten to the middle of the first chapter, I guess its not too late to turn back and go to Templar one then. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.27 00:42:00 -
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That issue with Sarum.... Templar one explains that.
It also explains why DUST Bunnies are evil :O
Burning life is not as bad as people make it out to be. But at some point you will be confused, and will strugle to actually finish the book. The ending was a nice twist.
Sepherim wrote: (for example, why the hell does The Broker's disease move with him from clone to clone?) He was cloned before the disease was discovered. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.02.27 03:04:00 -
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Sure, that could explain it, but nothing prevents him from using another person's body, and inserting his mind into it. He does it and impersonates other people along the novel... Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Initiate Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
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Posted - 2013.02.27 03:51:00 -
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The main points, I believe. Not from me, just the view of the community as I perceive it.
- The Caldari are portrayed as fascists, and the fundamentals of culture and structure of the Caldari State are annihilated.
- The Amarr are portrayed as cartoon villains. Zero redeeming features. Its leadership seems to consist of sadistic atheists and blooders.
- The Gallente are portrayed as blundering idiots.
- The Broker's involvement cheapens everything he touches.
- The portrayal of women is borderline misogynic.
- Gratuitous sex scenes to get teenage boys flustered.
- Not a single plot resolves without an ass-pulled Deus Ex Machina
- Constant misspellings of character and ship names.
Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:14:00 -
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Horatius Caul wrote:The main points, I believe. Not from me, just the view of the community as I perceive it.
- The Amarr are portrayed as cartoon villains. Zero redeeming features. Its leadership seems to consist of sadistic atheists and blooders.
I take your point sir, and raise it to **** Dastardly levels, with an added monocle and a top hat.
We all know the Amarr are meant to be the "bad" race of EVE (which if you look using the much lauded DnD alignment table would settle us nicely into Lawful Evil - we are nasty, but we have procedures on how to be nasty.), while the various other races are meant to be somewhere bouncing about the neutral level - There are no "good" races in EVE..
But yeah, the TG versions of EVE are, while admittedly a nice refreshing change from reading 40k novels all the time, a little off putting.
I shouldget my writing hat on and see if I can do better :P Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Orland Yormes
Lone Star Liquidations Llc
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Posted - 2013.03.14 08:29:00 -
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Falick Grange had a memory loss when he woke up in his new clone, the data transfer when someone is podded isnt perfect happens to another character in the book as well but not as severe. And without his memories he is another person. I have always wondered if the burning scanner tranfers the consciousness or the soul. Or just copies the memories and personality of the person who dies have read a lot that suggest that the clone is just a copy of the former nothing else. CCP did play a little when it came to the races characteristics the gallente are for example hedonistic and grand ;) . |
Orland Yormes
Lone Star Liquidations Llc
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Posted - 2013.03.14 08:41:00 -
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Have read Templar One and The Empyrean Age, reading The Burning Life atm. Tony Gonzales is far the better I think. With the burning life Im confused when it comes to the story only seems to present the various faction in eve and lets us come closer to them and maybe even understand them. Like Tony Gonzales involve both politics and induvidual struggles as well. When you have read templar one we can diccsuss Jamyl's two sides more. But she have another entity that she i sharing her body with that sliped in during the neural burning process of her new clone. |
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Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:37:00 -
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I read The Empyrean Age before I got a better understanding of the lore in EVE. It's a good read on it's own but compared to the actual lore of the game it doesn't do much justice.
Some parts are better than others. I like the depiction of Heth's takeover of the Kaalakoita corporation, that part was particularly well written and easy to picture. Some other parts, eh not so much. I feel that a lot of work was put into making the Caldari and Minmatar as interesting as possible where as the Amarr and Gallente are a bit simplified. At least that's how I see it. I've met people who've argued the opposite.
The Deus Ex Machina's are a little excessive, but they are pretty fun to imagine if unrealistic.
I feel the main problem is that the author just needed to jump around between so many view points and perspectives in one book that it left all of them feeling a little unsatisfying.
In my opinion, it should of been a four part series, one focused on each race's perspective. Put them all together and you get a full picture of everything. This will make virtually everything much more well thought out and developed. If well written and very focused, it wouldn't wind up spoiling the outcomes of the other faction's books. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Wu Jiaqiu
Heretic Army Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:14:00 -
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I loved it. I loved all of it. I have read the book three times and I probably will give it another read once I'm done with the Game of Thrones series. Does Empyrean Age classify as a political thriller? I'd start reading the hell out of political thrillers. |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:30:00 -
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I normally reread a book a couple of times, maybe 6 months apart but after I read George Martins A song of Ice and Fire series I can't read The Empyrean Age and get bored after a couple of pages Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
Caiden Baxter
Kisana Industries and Prospecting
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:33:00 -
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I rather liked The Empyrean Age, but it had its roadbumps, particular some of the Amarr bits where abit cringeworthy. I still have not figured out what the plot in The Burning Life wanted. Oh no i had something terrible happen to me, ho hum i better zip around the galaxy and talk to every major crime faction. It felt like reading a very long chronicle. SoonGäó |
Telegram Sam
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:05:00 -
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The Burning Life is very different from TEA and Templar One, but I liked it. The Tony Gonzalez novels are big space opera epics, where The Burning Life is smaller scale. It's the stories of two individuals, instead of huge-scale stories about history being made in Empire space. It's also a little more grim, similar to the way the Chronicles are grim. But I thought it was very well written. And if nothing else, it gives a lot of details on the Sisters of EVE and various pirate factions. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.03.27 02:59:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:Sure, that could explain it, but nothing prevents him from using another person's body, and inserting his mind into it. He does it and impersonates other people along the novel... Eeeeehhhh..... maybe, maybe not. The Broker's disguises may just be skin deep, meaning the brain, nervous system, and other internals are actually copies of the Broker's organs. This would make sense if the physical structure of the brain is important to retaining one's personality when cloned, or if you need "your" nervous system (not the "host's" nervous system) in order to control the new body's internal organs.
Computer analogy. Currently we can drop CPUs between different brands of motherboards because of standards. Imagine if the Broker's cloning situation was akin to every CPU being hand crafted with varying pin layouts and were different in how the pins were used. Every CPU would need a custom motherboard in order to run. So the Broker's clones were copies of his CPU and motherboard but with custom cases.
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Graelyn
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.03.28 12:32:00 -
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The RPer and Lore-studying community in EVE was aghast at TEA due to it's author having apparently not read a good chunk of his own world's documentation. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Throktar
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:00:00 -
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Hmm after reading this maybe I will just stick to Warhammer 40k. The problem is I am almost out of content I will just have to just wait for new stuff or maybe try some other sci-fi, but I can only seem to get into military sci-fi and most things involving space combat lol, |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:04:00 -
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Throktar wrote:Hmm after reading this maybe I will just stick to Warhammer 40k. The problem is I am almost out of content I will just have to just wait for new stuff or maybe try some other sci-fi, but I can only seem to get into military sci-fi and most things involving space combat lol, Honor Harrington? Royal Navy space combat 4tw!
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. |
T RAYRAY
Percussive Diplomacy Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.03.30 01:45:00 -
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I had never heard of eve 4 years ago. Never played any MMORPGs. i picked up The Empyrean Age at Walmart at the start of a trip out of state because i was in the mood for some science fiction to read on the plane.
It took me until 1/2 way through the book to figure out this author was talking about a video game, a real one that I could play. I was like WTF this is awesome! From that momment I was hooked on EVE. Started my trial as soon as I got back from my trip.
So for those of you lore-whores who poo-poo the book because it doesn't follow whatever, you're missing out on a cool space story with massive ships, cloning technology, sentient drones, freaky religious mothafukkas and a 2 bigass battles at the end.
Even if YOU don't like it, it's a good read on its own if you don't insist on fun reading being the next great novel.
I've read all of them, and of the 3 available EVE novels The Empyrean Age is the best one to get someone new hooked on the game. Just hand them a copy and say "i play this video game". 3 days later ask if they want to start a trial --- i bet it works more times than it doesn't.
oh, and zero-G boobies ftw |
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.03.30 01:58:00 -
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The part I don't understand is that CCP endorsed the book. So if it's so lore breaking as people exclaim, why did CCP not prevent it's release or at least revise certain sections? Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |
Jarac Raasen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:05:00 -
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Tavin Aikisen wrote:The part I don't understand is that CCP endorsed the book. So if it's so lore breaking as people exclaim, why did CCP not prevent it's release or at least revise certain sections?
Stuff like this isn't rare in the videogame-novel world. A lot of companies seem to endorse a novel even if it trashes lore (a perfect example being Mass Effect: Deception). I think it's because the creators didn't read it beforehand, so instead of active endorsement they just quietly pretend that it doesn't exist after a while.
I'm brand new to EVE so this might not be the case. |
Axel Kurki
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2013.06.11 11:33:00 -
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Many people have actually considered some recent plotlines in the live events to be "repairing" the events on the novels. Yes, they happened, and are so-called Prime Fiction. Most people, however, don't have knowledge of the events. (No, perverts - even Istvaan hasn't managed to infiltrate the Empress's bedchamber, and it's not because he wouldn't want to!)
I was going to write a longer post about TEA, but probably not worth it. If you like Ruthless and Theodicy novellas, you'll probably like it. I liked it so much that I decided that Templar One is probably crap without needing to read a single line, because they have the same writer. For most, the Burning Life is a good infodump. If you like the Black Mountain series and other chronicles by Abraxas, you'll probably like the Burning Life as a novel, too. If you hate Abraxas's style, you probably won't like the Burning Life as a novel either, though it may still have infodump value. |
Souchek Lehman
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:44:00 -
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I dislike TonyG's writing style. I also despise the cheapness of the Broker and all plot points surrounding him. Otherwise though I think all three novels are worth reading at least once as ultimately there is only so much in-depth prime fiction and they contain quite a bit of it. 10k and Shinjiketo are recruiting-See thread below. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=229061&find=unread |
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