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Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.08.06 10:00:00 - [1] I was wondering...is there anyone that plays this game that would say no to every ship in the game getting an additional midslot? Granted the Scorp and Blackbird dont need it...and in the case of the Scorp...it cant anyway hehe. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Pebbles Flinstone	Posted - 2005.08.06 10:01:00 - [2] yes i would say no. EW is bad
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.08.06 10:04:00 - [3] If that's the best reason not to...then no loss if it happened. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:04:00 - [4] I get the distinct feeling it is your lives purpose to keep trying to unbalance what is already unbalanced... but keep it it up, I can see you are having a lot of fun with it.
Dimitri Forgroth	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:12:00 - [5] I would, simply for that 5 mid slot vagabond, or 6 mid slot dominix. In other words, no. Hugely unbalancing for some ships. Don't be a bad loser \| DPS Spreadsheet
mahhy	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:17:00 - [6] I'd like some extra mids on my Amarr ships But a 5 mid, 7 low Apoc might be pushing it. Oh the fun to be had.
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa	Posted - 2005.08.06 11:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi If that's the best reason not to...then no loss if it happened. I doubt you have a valid arguement here... you did not post any good reasons to make it happen. So no loss if it did not happen either.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.08.06 12:47:00 - [8] Seems rather odd that 'balance would be upset' if everything got buffed...anyone else see the irony? ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.08.06 12:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa I get the distinct feeling it is your lives purpose to keep trying to unbalance what is already unbalanced... but keep it it up, I can see you are having a lot of fun with it. And the alternative is to not have an original thought? Keep it up, you appear to be having fun. And what is balanced about cruisers? The ease of fitting Armor Plates compared to comparable Shield Extenders? The Brutix/Cyclone funny bonus? The Typhoon having bonuses for 4 slots only? Should I continue? ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Brisi	Posted - 2005.08.06 12:59:00 - [10] Adding another mid slot to all ships would destroy the balance. Even though I'd love a third mid slot on my claw, it would just overpower it too much. Imagine a plated-autocannon-webber/scrambling-mwd'ing claw. It's fine as it is. Also, suddenly all battleships would tackle/gank even better etc. Also saying that "EW is bad" is not enough reason for it not to be implement is simply stupid. Please give me one good reason why another mid slot should be added. I've failed to see one yet.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.08.06 13:01:00 - [11] Sheild tanking? ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Rexy	Posted - 2005.08.06 13:13:00 - [12] a typhoon could do with an extra mid as a boost i guess. it's a shame everyone gets the same # of slots on a ship with different distribution. but as it stands these days it works way better to capitalize on a large array of the same slots example all gun high +lots of lows, making the combination very powerfull no matter what the gun type is. improving the use you get out of the slots compared to a ship with a little bit of everything(the typhoon ). stacking and lots of the same slots is not neccesarely bad, but it does give certain ships a bigger boost compared to ships wich have an even distribution of slots(and the same amount of slots total) All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :)
Weirda	Posted - 2005.08.06 15:12:00 - [13] a) it have taken 2+ years to even begin to establish the dynamics between all the ship/classes. that is still evolving even. arbitrarily adding mid slot would kill all that. it is very intentional that some frig have 2 mid instead of 3 - not just for layout, but for balance. b) many (most?) ship wouldn't have the cpu to do anything with it but throw a cap recharger in there... in the end you would just be boosting armor tanking c) swamp no... weirda don't like the idea. some ships should be looked at yes (especially ones that are meant to shield tank but don't quite have the slots for it). you should probably understand sobe... you post a lot of 'ideas' - not on the idea forum - but here. while weirda appreciate creative thought, posting here instead of idea lab just smack of 'look at me'. you may say 'no one read it' - but the devs do. moreso then threads that generally go: sobe: here is my new sweeping idea that changes everything... number1: no sobe: if that all you have to say, then my idea is good number2: it is not good number3: don't like it because of (3 good reasons) sobe: its a boost for everything, you all just want nerfs? ... pointless bickering ensues ... is this a reason to stop having ideas? hell no! you should maybe think about developing each one a bit more and posting it thoroughly where it belongs. a one sentence idea actually is not very creative tbh... weirda could spit out 300 a day. this is not to say that you aren't creative, but that it is better to have 1 well thought out, well written idea, then 300 1 liners... -- Thread Killer (attempting to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1) <END TRANSMISSION>
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.08.06 21:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa I get the distinct feeling it is your lives purpose to keep trying to unbalance what is already unbalanced... but keep it it up, I can see you are having a lot of fun with it. And the alternative is to not have an original thought? Keep it up, you appear to be having fun. And what is balanced about cruisers? The ease of fitting Armor Plates compared to comparable Shield Extenders? The Brutix/Cyclone funny bonus? The Typhoon having bonuses for 4 slots only? Should I continue? The ships don't live and die by their ship bonuses... they live and die by their pilots ability to fit them and use that fitting to gain the upperhand vs. the opponent(s). Ship Bonuses are good for specialization. Think outside the box. -------------------- The Nest
Brisi	Posted - 2005.08.06 21:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Weirda a) it have taken 2+ years to even begin to establish the dynamics between all the ship/classes. that is still evolving even. arbitrarily adding mid slot would kill all that. it is very intentional that some frig have 2 mid instead of 3 - not just for layout, but for balance. b) many (most?) ship wouldn't have the cpu to do anything with it but throw a cap recharger in there... in the end you would just be boosting armor tanking c) swamp no... weirda don't like the idea. some ships should be looked at yes (especially ones that are meant to shield tank but don't quite have the slots for it). you should probably understand sobe... you post a lot of 'ideas' - not on the idea forum - but here. while weirda appreciate creative thought, posting here instead of idea lab just smack of 'look at me'. you may say 'no one read it' - but the devs do. moreso then threads that generally go: sobe: here is my new sweeping idea that changes everything... number1: no sobe: if that all you have to say, then my idea is good number2: it is not good number3: don't like it because of (3 good reasons) sobe: its a boost for everything, you all just want nerfs? ... pointless bickering ensues ... is this a reason to stop having ideas? hell no! you should maybe think about developing each one a bit more and posting it thoroughly where it belongs. a one sentence idea actually is not very creative tbh... weirda could spit out 300 a day. this is not to say that you aren't creative, but that it is better to have 1 well thought out, well written idea, then 300 1 liners... <3 Weirda
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.08.07 04:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa I get the distinct feeling it is your lives purpose to keep trying to unbalance what is already unbalanced... but keep it it up, I can see you are having a lot of fun with it. And the alternative is to not have an original thought? Keep it up, you appear to be having fun. And what is balanced about cruisers? The ease of fitting Armor Plates compared to comparable Shield Extenders? The Brutix/Cyclone funny bonus? The Typhoon having bonuses for 4 slots only? Should I continue? The ships don't live and die by their ship bonuses... they live and die by their pilots ability to fit them and use that fitting to gain the upperhand vs. the opponent(s). Ship Bonuses are good for specialization. Think outside the box. I already do :p Doesnt mean they should remain 'broken' ships tho. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.08.07 05:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa I get the distinct feeling it is your lives purpose to keep trying to unbalance what is already unbalanced... but keep it it up, I can see you are having a lot of fun with it. And the alternative is to not have an original thought? Keep it up, you appear to be having fun. And what is balanced about cruisers? The ease of fitting Armor Plates compared to comparable Shield Extenders? The Brutix/Cyclone funny bonus? The Typhoon having bonuses for 4 slots only? Should I continue? The ships don't live and die by their ship bonuses... they live and die by their pilots ability to fit them and use that fitting to gain the upperhand vs. the opponent(s). Ship Bonuses are good for specialization. Think outside the box. I already do :p Doesnt mean they should remain 'broken' ships tho. Cause you claim they are broke don't make them broke. My ships work out fine. If I want to do something else I fly something else. Basically you are saying there is a problem and you would rather fix the ship instead of the module. Why is it so important to fix the ship over the module. Because it is the lack of a ship to fit all the modules YOU would like to run on it? Sounds to me like you just have a problem with how they implement balancing to me. Giving some ships an extra mid might be justifable... not all. You would throw the game into a deep imbalance in one fatal swoop. What about the scorpion? You can't give it an extra mid. Now you have to account for its worth which just decreased significantly. Would you give it an extra high slot? Well it would need a powergrid increase then. Would you give it an extra lowslot? Well then it would be a viable armor tanker and a mini raven, the hell with ewar. Find an imbalance on a module you think is unjust then hammer at the devs through the proper channels. -------------------- The Nest
Hanns	Posted - 2005.08.07 05:45:00 - [18] I say yes, if it only applies to the Retri Sig by Mr Floppyknickers

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