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Zanin
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:16:00 -
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I wasn't sure where to post this question.
Wanted to join a corp but dont really want to fight corp wars in empire.
If I join a corp and they suddenly find themselves at war, can I simply quit the corp? By quitting the corp will I be safe from attacks in empire (.5+)? If so, how long after I quit the corp will I be safe?
Yes, I am carebear or whatever.
Thanks in advance for the replies.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:20:00 -
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To quit a corp, you have to resign all roles given to you. Then you wait 24 hrs b4 you can actually quit.
However, if you continually join/quit corp to avoid war, that is an exploit, and you could be reported & banned...
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Par''Gellen on 08/08/2005 12:29:06
Due to the screwed-up, backwards, griefer-biased way the devs lean in all things they do the only way not to get "war dec'd" by a bunch of retards that think it's fun to kill miners who have no hope of defending themselves is to stay in a NPC corp. However, that's still not totally safe though if someone really wants to get you.
I actually respect the 0.0 pirate corps. At least they have a sense of "honor". The Empire pirates that use war to grief people are garbage however...
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Par'Gellen
Edited by: Par''Gellen on 08/08/2005 12:27:17
Due to the screwed-up, backwards, griefer-biased way the devs lean in all things they do the only way not to get "war dec'd" by a bunch of retards that think it's fun to kill miners who have no hope of defending themselves is to stay in an NPC corp. However, that's still not totally safe though if someone really wants to get you.
I actually respect the 0.0 pirate corps. At least they have a sense of "honor". However, the Empire pirates that use war to grief people are garbage...
Send me 150million ISK today and I'll overlook your outburst.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
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However, if you continually join/quit corp to avoid war, that is an exploit, and you could be reported & banned...
I beleive you are wrong. If he`ll run from corp to another it is not an exploit.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Par'Gellen
Edited by: Par''Gellen on 08/08/2005 12:27:17
Due to the screwed-up, backwards, griefer-biased way the devs lean in all things they do the only way not to get "war dec'd" by a bunch of retards that think it's fun to kill miners who have no hope of defending themselves is to stay in an NPC corp. However, that's still not totally safe though if someone really wants to get you.
I actually respect the 0.0 pirate corps. At least they have a sense of "honor". However, the Empire pirates that use war to grief people are garbage...
Send me 150million ISK today and I'll overlook your outburst.
Case in point...
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Zanin
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:44:00 -
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I am not looking to exploit anything and weigh my options before joining a corp.
Ergo, I simply want to know the rules.
Last time I checked quitting a corp or being kicked out was not an exploit.
Is there a sticky in another forum that covers this issue? If so perhaps someone or a Moderator could point me in the right direction.
Much appreciated
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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:48:00 -
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Best advice, leave your current corp. You will end up in a NPC corp, which can never be war Declared.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:50:00 -
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I beleive you are wrong. If he`ll run from corp to another it is not an exploit.
Quit/join the same corp repeatedly to avoid war. That's what I meant...
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kerby Lane
Originally by: Bhaal
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However, if you continually join/quit corp to avoid war, that is an exploit, and you could be reported & banned...
I beleive you are wrong. If he`ll run from corp to another it is not an exploit.
Problem here is that while there are no rules that force you to remain in a corp that has had a war declared against them there has been alot of whining from the wardeclarers as when they declare war on an easy picking corp that has no chace in hell and rather than try to fight/buy their way out of the war the whole corp folds and the members start a new corp.
I think the way its defined is that if the corp multiple times remakes itself in order to get out of the war (members quit and all join a new corp) a coupple of times then the wardeclarers can petition and the dodgers may get a warning.
There is nothing however to prevent a single player quitting corps as many times as he/she wants and can given the current join/leave mechanics.
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:57:00 -
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You can quit and join a corp as often as you want an there is no rule against it. It is not an exploit or even close.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Miri Tirzan
You can quit and join a corp as often as you want an there is no rule against it. It is not an exploit or even close.
If you leave a corporation to avoid a war it is an exploit ( usually people then rejoin the same corporation when the war is over)
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:24:00 -
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The best way to do it is to just make a couple friends in the newb corp, then do all your mining with your buddies without all the overhead of actually running a corp.
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
If you leave a corporation to avoid a war it is an exploit ( usually people then rejoin the same corporation when the war is over)
GM's say your wrong. Or at least they did a few months ago.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
If you leave a corporation to avoid a war it is an exploit (usually people then rejoin the same corporation when the war is over)
I have to remember to petition, using that as the basis, that a corporation leaving an alliance to avoid a war is also an exploit. 
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:35:00 -
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If you leave a corporation to avoid a war it is an exploit ( usually people then rejoin the same corporation when the war is over)
Can we get DEV "certification" of this?
A rule clearification by CCP would help clear up the obvious confusion.
You'd hate to have newbs being warned & banned because they are not being nice little compliant war targets for veterans starting "griefer wars". Not only does the newb get war dec'd, he then gets a warning & possible ban... Not a way to keep that newb paying his sub...
I was under the impression you could leave the corp during a war, but not go back to that same corp after the war is over. Then rinse & repeat everytime that corp gets war dec'd...
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:36:00 -
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I'm asking GM's now to be sure.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:40:00 -
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I'm asking GM's now to be sure.
Thx, but GM's seem to have varying responses. I think a DEV could set this record straight once and for all, and maybe even put the rule clarification in the news for all to see, so when petitions start flying at least CCP can say they informed everyone.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Thx, but GM's seem to have varying responses. I think a DEV could set this record straight once and for all, and maybe even put the rule clarification in the news for all to see, so when petitions start flying at least CCP can say they informed everyone.
Devs don't set the rules, GM's do 
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 08/08/2005 13:48:08
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Devs don't set the rules, GM's do
DEV's design the game, they should know how it's supposed to work.
I'd think the DEV's are higher on the organizational chart than the GM's...
We need Oveur to come out and set this rule in stone, once and for all...
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
DEV's design the game, they should know how it's supposed to work.
I'd think the DEV's are higher on the organizational chart than the GM's...
We need Oveur to come out and set this rule in stone, once and for all...
Nope.
If GM Arkanon says it's an exploit, it is. Period. Oveur can overrule him, but they're the same level of authority in this, afaik
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:55:00 -
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So (due to teh power of over rule) it is still then technically;
Dev > Senior GM > GM
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.08.08 14:01:00 -
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I asked and got an answer. It's entirely viewed on a case by case instance because several factors come into play to determine whether it is an exploit or not.
A clear cut example of an exploit will be leaving your corp to trick people into firing on you while you are no longer at war.
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Oosel
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Posted - 2005.08.08 14:02:00 -
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thats out of order if newer players who dont want combat and havent engaged in any pvp/ganking do not have a way of avoiding being constantly war dec'd......i dont think anyone would say that its fair no matter how many say eve is all about pvp it was supposed to allow you to do anything which if it means a peaceful mining corp disolving every time its war dec'd by someone out for easy kills because they have no chance in fighting back then the war dec system itself should be re evaluated
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.08 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 08/08/2005 14:05:36
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I asked and got an answer. It's entirely viewed on a case by case instance because several factors come into play to determine whether it is an exploit or not.
A clear cut example of an exploit will be leaving your corp to trick people into firing on you while you are no longer at war.
So the "rule" is still cast in pudding, and not stone...
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Akirium
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Posted - 2005.08.08 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
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I beleive you are wrong. If he`ll run from corp to another it is not an exploit.
Quit/join the same corp repeatedly to avoid war. That's what I meant...
still wrong...
It's only concidered an exploit when they are in an active hostile circumstance...such as in a station with the enemy outside. That is what the 24 hour wait was for, to stop that exploit. So they can quit anytime they want to play the game without risk of war as long as it is not to evade an agro at the time of quiting (and with the 24 hour wait, you can't do that).
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.08.08 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
However, if you continually join/quit corp to avoid war, that is an exploit, and you could be reported & banned...
Actually, it has been clarified that it only is an exploit if you quit, moving something or etc..., and then rejoin. There is nothing apprently wrong with quiting when a war is declared and then rejoining when the war ended.
Saying that, Empire wars are stupid anwyay. Anything of value is moved by hauler alts in NPC corps.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.08.08 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 08/08/2005 16:33:16
It is NOT an exploit to quit corps to avoid a war.
While I never had to do so, when I was doing some solo empire work I would have happily quit my own corp to avoid a conflict. You are NOT under ANY obligation to play with folks who want to fight you if (stress "if") you've been minding your own business in 0.5+.
Even if you have not been minding your own business, you still are not required by any CCP rules to fight folks who want to fight, although good sportsmanship would suggest that they should have some sort of "practical" option for fight back against you. My second biggest pet peave in this game are scum who harrass other folks in 0.5+ with no "practical" option for their victims to strike back. (The harrassment is fine (well, mostly fine, truth be told I'd ideally like folks to have a solid option for "no need to look over my shoulder" play in 0.5+....), and I have no problem with it. Its the lack "practical" strike back options that I have a problem with.)
On a final note: It is viewed as very bad form to leave your corp mates at the first sign of trouble. At a minimum, you should warn any corp you plan on joining about your intent. This will cause most to turn down your application, but at least you'll be being honest.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.08.08 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
On a final note: It is viewed as very bad form to leave your corp mates at the first sign of trouble. At a minimum, you should warn any corp you plan on joining about your intent. This will cause most to turn down your application, but at least you'll be being honest.
But many people just dont have honor and RUN.
I know CEO of 20-30ish mining empire corp and I helped him out with noob education, skill books, ships and so on. They had 2-3 PvP guys and most were doing missions and mine.
At some point of the time 1 man corp (!) declare war and the guy ganked couple of people before they organise some resistance. As the result about 10 people quited corp because they were scared to loose ships.
I was really excited and after that I dont think I will ever want to be a CEO of empire corp.
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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.08.08 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
To quit a corp, you have to resign all roles given to you. Then you wait 24 hrs b4 you can actually quit.
However, if you continually join/quit corp to avoid war, that is an exploit, and you could be reported & banned...[null/quote]
that is not true.
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