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RavenPaine
raven alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:40:00 -
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I just read this on my Tengu fitted MWD. It is copy/pasted word for word.
Massive boost to speed for a very short time. The thrust that boosts the ship, and the corresponding maximum velocity bonus, are limited by the mass of the ship that uses this module. The sheer amount of energy needed to power this system means that it must permanently reserve a fraction of the capacitor output just to maintain the integrity of its warp containment field, and when activated it substantially increases the ship's EM footprint.
Penalty: Max capacitor reduced.
Note: Cruiser class module
"Substantially increases EM Footprint?"
"Max Capacitor Reduced?"
I... They.... |
Anachronic
Abacus Industries Group
Aerodyne Collective
97
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:44:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I just read this on my Tengu fitted MWD. It is copy/pasted word for word.
Massive boost to speed for a very short time. The thrust that boosts the ship, and the corresponding maximum velocity bonus, are limited by the mass of the ship that uses this module. The sheer amount of energy needed to power this system means that it must permanently reserve a fraction of the capacitor output just to maintain the integrity of its warp containment field, and when activated it substantially increases the ship's EM footprint.
Penalty: Max capacitor reduced.
Note: Cruiser class module
"Substantially increases EM Footprint?"
"Max Capacitor Reduced?"
I... They....
this is nothing new, MWD have always had a sig radius penalty while active (ie - "sustantially increases the ship's EM footprint"), and the capacitor penalty is also not new, with the only modules (that I can remember) that have no cap penalty being the X-type deadspace mods. Hope this helps |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2104
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:47:00 -
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Are you just trolling, or are all the Drake and Tengu pilots this confused?
Those penalties have been there, if not always, at least several years.
(EM footprint = sig radius)
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1017
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:50:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I... They....
They changed the wording on the module. That's all.
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RavenPaine
raven alliance
360
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:53:00 -
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I am not trolling, but I was never aware of the wording that specified EM footprint. Yeah I knew about the 500% syg radius. Yeah I knew the MWD eats cap, but did not know it has a built in cap reduction value.
It seams more relevant now, and yes, specifically to drake and Tengu pilots.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1017
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:57:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I am not trolling, but I was never aware of the wording that specified EM footprint. Yeah I knew about the 500% syg radius. Yeah I knew the MWD eats cap, but did not know it has a built in cap reduction value.
It seams more relevant now, and yes, specifically to drake and Tengu pilots.
Yup. Hence the old Thorax bonus (which reduced the max cap reduction penalty), effectively making the Thorax (in theory) especially suited to MWD use because it retained more of its original cap with one fit than other ships did.
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RavenPaine
raven alliance
360
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Posted - 2013.02.28 22:00:00 -
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Thx Zhilia. The 'EM' wording kinda shocked me. I need to absorb the info a little.
Still learning I guess.
Edit here: The whole Idea of zero EM resist, and a 500% larger EM footprint seriously wtf'd me. |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
421
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Posted - 2013.02.28 22:02:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:RavenPaine wrote:I am not trolling, but I was never aware of the wording that specified EM footprint. Yeah I knew about the 500% syg radius. Yeah I knew the MWD eats cap, but did not know it has a built in cap reduction value.
It seams more relevant now, and yes, specifically to drake and Tengu pilots. Yup. Hence the old Thorax bonus (which reduced the max cap reduction penalty), effectively making the Thorax (in theory) especially suited to MWD use because it retained more of its original cap with one fit than other ships did.
At Gallente Cruiser 5, The MWD actually got a positive modifier, so it acted like a small cap battery instead, giving you more total cap when fitting a microwarp |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
115
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Posted - 2013.03.01 04:01:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I am not trolling, but I was never aware of the wording that specified EM footprint. Yeah I knew about the 500% syg radius. Yeah I knew the MWD eats cap, but did not know it has a built in cap reduction value.
It seams more relevant now, and yes, specifically to drake and Tengu pilots.
how so....capless weapons systems ( I am assuming non hybrid tengu for obvious reasons lol).
This is more amarr, gallente, and gun based caldari where the better cap of T2 may be preferred.. Ever wondered why t2 prop mods existed when your pvp standards are experimental/lmiteted/ basically all the named high meta stuff this is it. T2 is nicer to your cap is the reason. At the cost of being a pita to fit.
Also worth noting based on the number of high meta prop mod fits this affect does not have dire implications whch way you go . Named gear generally is the winner cap hit and all. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
198
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Posted - 2013.03.01 07:22:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Thx Zhilia. The 'EM' wording kinda shocked me. I need to absorb the info a little.
Still learning I guess.
Edit here: The whole Idea of zero EM resist, and a 500% larger EM footprint seriously wtf'd me.
EM footprint has nothing to do with EM resists, it's just another word for signature radius.
If I remember right, sig radius is explained in-universe as a "noise" produced by the ship. A large ship needs substantially more complex systems, making the ship far more visible on sensors than a small frigate. Then you have drones that function almost exclusively on electronic systems (meaning their sig radius is overblown for their size) and advanced "stealth" ships, that have this "noise" far smaller than their actual size (example: pve Tengu). |
BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters
The Ghost Army
140
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Posted - 2013.03.01 09:23:00 -
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How have you played long enough to get into a Tengu yet not known about an mwd's sig radius and cap penalties
Starships were meant to fly~ |
Tsai Ashitaka
Aether Ventures
Surely You're Joking
20
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Posted - 2013.03.01 22:10:00 -
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EM footprint means sig radius.
It does NOTHING to your EM resist. It makes you 5 times bigger, that's all. |
RavenPaine
raven alliance
361
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Posted - 2013.03.02 00:06:00 -
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Thanks guys for posting. I really didn't know that sig = EM.
In my brain, the only thing I could relate EM to, is the big weak spot in my ships defense.
And I am kind of miffed over many of the recent changes.
Bad attitude + ignorance = dumb assumption. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
210
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Posted - 2013.03.02 00:19:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Thanks guys for posting. I really didn't know that sig = EM.
In my brain, the only thing I could relate EM to, is the big weak spot in my ships defense.
And I am kind of miffed over many of the recent changes.
Bad attitude + ignorance = dumb assumption.
I don't think the sig radius has ever been referred to as an "EM footprint" before, so I don't blame you. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1023
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Posted - 2013.03.02 06:00:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Thanks guys for posting. I really didn't know that sig = EM.
In my brain, the only thing I could relate EM to, is the big weak spot in my ships defense.
And I am kind of miffed over many of the recent changes.
Bad attitude + ignorance = dumb assumption. I don't think the sig radius has ever been referred to as an "EM footprint" before, so I don't blame you.
This. It's incredibly awkward phrasing. Really ought to be changed. |
Cable Udan
The Tuskers
144
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Posted - 2013.03.02 11:27:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Thx Zhilia. The 'EM' wording kinda shocked me. I need to absorb the info a little.
Still learning I guess.
Edit here: The whole Idea of zero EM resist, and a 500% larger EM footprint seriously wtf'd me.
If you're still learning I don't think you should be flying Tengus.
http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/
My Pirate Blog |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
248
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Posted - 2013.03.02 11:38:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Thanks guys for posting. I really didn't know that sig = EM.
In my brain, the only thing I could relate EM to, is the big weak spot in my ships defense.
And I am kind of miffed over many of the recent changes.
Bad attitude + ignorance = dumb assumption. I don't think the sig radius has ever been referred to as an "EM footprint" before, so I don't blame you. This. It's incredibly awkward phrasing. Really ought to be changed.
This is the direct translation of what signature radius is concretely. It's a SciFi game, do you remember ? |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
552
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Posted - 2013.03.02 12:24:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:How have you played long enough to get into a Tengu yet not known about an mwd's sig radius and cap penalties
Astonishingly, the OP has over 100 mill SP.
I know people like to mock the supposed ignorance of the stereotypical Drake/Tengu pilot, but...  |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
113
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Posted - 2013.03.02 16:49:00 -
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atleast it doesnt raise your explosive footprint |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
113
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Posted - 2013.03.02 16:50:00 -
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how about ignore the description tab and focus on the attribute tab |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
45
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Posted - 2013.03.02 16:58:00 -
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When your sp is that high and you don't know basic things like that, you fail ar EVE no ifs, ands, or buts. I suggest you hand over that high sp toon to someone whose hardly at a 10th of your sp.
On second though i don't want it because your sp may be poorly allocated |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
115
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:10:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:I don't think the sig radius has ever been referred to as an "EM footprint" before, so I don't blame you.
t2 high damage ammo had this same drawback and CCP used the same wording in its description as I recall. A tengu/drake pilot before the removal should have seen this wording. And seen sig radius go to crap with furies mounted. It was not a stealthy number change.
And ,well, what else can it mean. Its not like caldari can have a worse em hole than that of 0 %.
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Makavelia
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.03.03 13:48:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:When your sp is that high and you don't know basic things like that, you fail ar EVE no ifs, ands, or buts. I suggest you hand over that high sp toon to someone whose hardly at a 10th of your sp.
On second though i don't want it because your sp may be poorly allocated
I'm sure i could find things in eve you have no idea about. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
47
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Posted - 2013.03.03 16:02:00 -
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Makavelia wrote:Drake Doe wrote:When your sp is that high and you don't know basic things like that, you fail ar EVE no ifs, ands, or buts. I suggest you hand over that high sp toon to someone whose hardly at a 10th of your sp.
On second though i don't want it because your sp may be poorly allocated I'm sure i could find things in eve you have no idea about.
Probably, but I doubt it'll be something you're exposed to early in the game and be relevant to ships and/or modules I use. |
Makavelia
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.03.03 16:41:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Makavelia wrote:Drake Doe wrote:When your sp is that high and you don't know basic things like that, you fail ar EVE no ifs, ands, or buts. I suggest you hand over that high sp toon to someone whose hardly at a 10th of your sp.
On second though i don't want it because your sp may be poorly allocated I'm sure i could find things in eve you have no idea about. Probably, but I doubt it'll be something you're exposed to early in the game and be relevant to ships and/or modules I use.
Assuming everybody goes down the same path as you. Assuming. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
47
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Posted - 2013.03.03 17:09:00 -
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Makavelia wrote:Drake Doe wrote:Makavelia wrote:Drake Doe wrote:When your sp is that high and you don't know basic things like that, you fail ar EVE no ifs, ands, or buts. I suggest you hand over that high sp toon to someone whose hardly at a 10th of your sp.
On second though i don't want it because your sp may be poorly allocated I'm sure i could find things in eve you have no idea about. Probably, but I doubt it'll be something you're exposed to early in the game and be relevant to ships and/or modules I use. Assuming everybody goes down the same path as you. Assuming.
The op finally looked at the attributes of a module he's apparently used for more than a short while, and i doubt they'd skip using mwds on frigates completely. |
Kalla Vera Quiroga
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
9
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:43:00 -
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There's also a mass penalty that should be like a third of most T1 cruiser hulls, wouldn't they penalize agility significantly? |
Batelle
Concordiat
141
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:01:00 -
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Kalla Vera Quiroga wrote:There's also a mass penalty that should be like a third of most T1 cruiser hulls, wouldn't they penalize agility significantly?
Yes. While your prop mod is active, you have reduced effective agility. This is easy to test out in space.
Also, the mass penalty is an important part of the calculation to determine your mwd/ab speed. The calculation is something like this
Top MWD speed = (top base velocity) * { 1 + [ ( listed boost % on module ) * ( Thrust / ( Ship Mass + Mass Penalty ) ) ] }
An example of this is t1 and faction frigs (in particular the dramiel). They have much less mass than assault frigates and get a much higher speed boost from prop mods. This is also why adding armor plates reduces the mwd speed without reducing the base speed. This also explains why cruisers get mwd-sized speed boosts from 100mn ABs. People often ignore the mass of ships when looking at their stats, but you can get some good insight comparing the masses of ships in the same class.
Fighting is Magic |
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.03.05 06:04:00 -
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Tsai Ashitaka wrote:EM footprint means sig radius.
It does NOTHING to your EM resist. It makes you 5 times bigger, that's all.
Isn't that 6 times? |
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