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Gustov Krell
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.13 16:16:00 -
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Hopefully, to benefit newer players .. those, the majority, brighter than myself will have already figured things out, negating the learning requirement I experienced.
And so, one bright morning, about 40 days ago now, fresh from having changed my Corp affiliation to one that is "at war" with another, while remaining blissfully ignorant of it's potential ramifications, I'm sucking on a first cup of coffee as I "auto" fly my 'Phoon' to a multi-jump destination.
LESSON 1: The Corp enemy piloted Vindicator that was camping on the gate I intended to jump through, in high sec space, was on me like a hair on a biscuit. If your Corp is at war with another, you can be attacked anywhere, anytime without intervention from security forces and without any standing hit being suffered by the attacking player. Such enemies will/should display RED in your overview.
LESSON 2: I spent some time pondering about if I'd had some more sucks from that first cup, or had been on my third cup .. maybe my reflexes might have been quicker. Regardless, especially in the above described situation, most players WILL destroy your pod if you tarry in your escape. Your clone, hopefully sufficient to not loose any skills, will NOT have any of the augmentations you've bought. They die with you, in the pod. Mine were only +3, with every possible slot filled. Replacing augmentations is expensive.
And, 24+ hours ago now, as I'm leaving a station in my Drake, flying to a lvl4 mission I intend to run .. just as I'm kicking into warp, and for a brief moment, I see a ship just arriving at the station in my overview. It's color is red, a pilot my Corp is at war with. "Hah!", I thought .. "missed me!!".
LESSON 3: While aware that equipment/capabilities exist allowing a pilot to scan-down another ship, it had never prior, in many many missions I've ran, been done to me. The Paladin (only God, owners and seasoned players even know what a Paladin costs, as "None for Sale" showed in the Market yesterday) arrived into the second room of the mission. My Drake didn't stand a chance. And, as chance would have it, the pilot of the Paladin? Yes, the same who ambushed me at the gate, 40 days prior. You can have "surprise company" anywhere, anytime while running missions. Learn to use your scanners directional capabilities, looking for probe proximity to your location. Adopt a plan to be as evasive as possible .. warping/waiting at multiple locations before entering your mission.
Good Luck. |
March rabbit
Ganse
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.13 16:31:00 -
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well. stuff happens.... your mistake was: running mission while wartargets are in your local system. either dock and go do RL stuff or move to another system. |
Cailan Theirin
Arimius Holding
The Ancients.
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Posted - 2011.10.13 20:06:00 -
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TL:DR
OP auto-piloted, and ran mission during a war. Got his stuff killed. More at 11. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.13 20:46:00 -
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Hey, he's got a good attitude at least. But yeah, now you'll know to be on your toes. Reading up on game mechanics before you get involved in them is pretty good too, there are plenty of resources on what to expect during a war out there. |
Kirith Vespira
Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.10.13 21:18:00 -
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Mistake #1: Don't auto-pilot. Especially if your corp is at war.
Mistake #2: Don't fly PVE fits if your corp is at war.
Mistake #3: Don't run missions in/around trade or mission hubs if your corp is at war. If there are war targets in your system, undock prepared to fight. And not in PVE fits.
Wars can be fun. Do your homework, and take the fight to them. :) CovOps and locator agents come in handy to track enemy movements. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
126
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Posted - 2011.10.13 21:25:00 -
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Excellent attitude of learning from your mistakes. Every loss is a lesson. You're off to a good start. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
126
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Posted - 2011.10.13 21:29:00 -
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Kirith Vespira wrote:Mistake #1: Don't auto-pilot. Especially if your corp is at war.
Mistake #2: Don't fly PVE fits if your corp is at war.
Mistake #3: Don't run missions in/around trade or mission hubs if your corp is at war. If there are war targets in your system, undock prepared to fight. And not in PVE fits.
Wars can be fun. Do your homework, and take the fight to them. :) CovOps and locator agents come in handy to track enemy movements.
Better yet: build a PVP fit on your PVE ship they've already seen you flying. A drake would be perfect for this. Get a mission, warp to it, and then wait in ambush. Not saying you would have survived a Paladin landing on you, but then again Marauders aren't exactly stellar at PVP. He came expecting and easy kill and a lolmail, an ambush and a prolonged fight might have given you one hell of a killboard. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:57:00 -
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Hello Gustov Krell,
These are very valuable lessons you have learned. Sure, expensive lessons, but if they help you avoid doing the same mistakes again, then they are worth it I would say.
I like the attitude to reconsider the situation, analyzing what went wrong and then adjusting your behavior to something more successful. It helps you finding (and defining) your place in EVE.
PS: A Paladin sells for around 710 mil these days I think.
CCP Phantom | German Community Coordinator |
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Linu Glacier
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 19:16:00 -
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Since u r militia, bet 1 candy u were killed by Loren.
Edit. yes, u were. |
A'Brantox Foson
SKEET ELITE
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:23:00 -
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lol, the other day iwas flying a 3bil tengu in lowsec, gatecamping while my booster was en route. But being a -4.1 I was pinned if i didn't have my socks pulled up and ready to go.
I then alt tabbed out for maybe 5seconds to speed up the travelling of my booster prophecy for its last jump, next thing i know, back on my main I was being scrammed and webbed by a loki lol... i started shooting back until I saw local spike and 4 T3s/HACs inbound.... I died http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14241290 then got podded by horrid lag bubble, I had a set of crystals in lol.
Moral of the story: Bad timing can and will **** yer day. |
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Gustov Krell
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:20:00 -
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Tamiya Sarossa wrote:Reading up on game mechanics before you get involved in them is pretty good too, there are plenty of resources on what to expect during a war out there.
Yes. My primary motivation for joining the present Corp (I was in Hedion University from joining EVE, almost 7 months) was the revelation that I could avoid Hedion's stiff "cut", taken on every ISK earned.
In the almost 3 months with "SP", in all the flying I've done, it was a rare occurrence and far from my normal haunts that I'd see RED (or even PURPLE, allies) in my HUD. Just so happened that in each of those RED sightings I wasn't in "auto" and I was flying a shuttle or frigate .. and quickly through the gate.
Being "at war" WAS, largely, a non-event. And, I WAS comfortable and complacent.  |
Gustov Krell
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:30:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:PS: A Paladin sells for around 710 mil these days I think.
Hello Phanton,
I should have added Developers to the list of "only God, owners and seasoned players". Thanks.
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Gustov Krell
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:38:00 -
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Linu Glacier wrote:Since u r militia, bet 1 candy u were killed by Loren.
Edit. yes, u were.
A formidable killer .. at least in my instance. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:01:00 -
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Gustov Krell wrote:
Yes. My primary motivation for joining the present Corp (I was in Hedion University from joining EVE, almost 7 months) was the revelation that I could avoid Hedion's stiff "cut", taken on every ISK earned.
If all you're trying to do is avoid taxes - as in you're not doing FW missions or anything related to FW - then you might be better off just making your own one-man corp. Now that you're familiar with wars, that is.  |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
32
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Posted - 2011.10.16 08:01:00 -
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A'Brantox Foson wrote:lol, the other day iwas flying a 3bil tengu in lowsec, gatecamping while my booster was en route. But being a -4.1 I was pinned if i didn't have my socks pulled up and ready to go. I then alt tabbed out for maybe 5seconds to speed up the travelling of my booster prophecy for its last jump, next thing i know, back on my main I was being scrammed and webbed by a loki lol... i started shooting back until I saw local spike and 4 T3s/HACs inbound.... I died http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14241290 then got podded by horrid lag bubble, I had a set of crystals in lol. Moral of the story: Bad timing can and will **** yer day.
O my.. What a loot pinata!
I must start heading up to Tama more often if people are being that stupid about fitting their ship. Or better yet.. you should roam down to Syndicate every now and then. It is much more fun than hiding in a few low sec systems with your booster alt for "solo" pvp, docking up at the first sign of a good fight.
Edit: Still having a problem figuring out how you lost a 100mn tengu in lowsec.. I mean, that's bad son. |
Jessie Isagar
Catocalypse Meow
ZOMBIE KITTY FORCE
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Posted - 2011.10.16 14:20:00 -
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Hard lesson for me. Simply pay attention. While not a multibillion isk loss it still made me facepalm. I had just acquired my first rifter, and decided to work some more on the career agent missions. I get a task to plant a bomb on some station, sure, easy enough. Well I warp to encounter, no reds to pop, ok cool. Well as I approach thr station I randomly asplode. Wtf? In my hurry I failed to pay close attention to the mission, seems a cheap throwaway ship was supplied for the task, and the shiny new rifter I had all of 30 minutes was no longer mine......****.
Lessons learned:
Pay attention
The ship you just spent 20 minutes fitting and 10 minutes flying you will lose
The game hates you, and will try its best to push your **** in, but I love it for it. |
Tyme Xandr
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:01:00 -
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At least you didnt rage quit. Welcome to EVE dude, hope you take the fight to them someday and find what really makes EVE special. |
Soporo
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 15:31:00 -
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Quote:The game hates you, and will try its best to push your sh** in.
That statement is amazing in it's wisdom and brevity. |
Rawls Canardly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:16:00 -
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if you insist on (missioning/mining/being a mentally disabled individual) during wartime, WATCH LOCAL CHAT. constantly scroll back and forth across the list and watch for the telltale red star. if you see it, notify your corpies and dock. Although this is not foolproof, sometimes neutral scouts can scan you down and bring the hurt on you in seconds...
I couldn't tell you how many people I've killed who could have done that and survived... including a small mining op (orca and 2 hulks)...
edit- also, NEVER autopilot in war. I've seen people booted from corp for such dumbfuggery, |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:43:00 -
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Gustov Krell wrote:
The Corp enemy piloted Vindicator that was camping on the gate I intended to jump through, in high sec space, was on me like a hair on a biscuit.
This illustrates precisely what's wrong with highsec wardecs. A Vindi gate camping? Seriously? Well, not that strange, I guess, as there's zero risk of it popping considering who they dec. |
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Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
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Posted - 2011.10.24 08:38:00 -
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Aye, watch d-scan for probes if you're going to mission while war-decced.
While under a dec from Privateers, I noted combat probes on my d-scan while running a level 4 in my Raven. No reds in local, so I assumed it was a ninja salvager/looter. After warping in and out a couple times over the next 15 minutes, I decided to call it quits for a bit and warped to gate to jump into my home system. Upon jumping, I found the gate camped by a WT Drake and Legion. Would have been a better fight if the Legion had not been neut fit. Was just bad luck on my part choosing the one gate that was camped. Then again, no telling if the other gates were camped, too.
Lesson here: Better off not missioning while war-decced.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Vai Tanis
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:22:00 -
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A recent lesson I learned, during my first ever attempt at exploration, is to never assume that the other side of a wormhole isn't camped.
I got my cheap scanning frigate, kitted it out and headed off to practise scanning. Found a wormhole signature and locked it down, then warped to it. By this point I was well pleased with my first ever scanning attempt and the first time I'd ever seen a wormhole, so I bookmarked it then jumped through to take a look.
It never occurred to me that it would be camped, it's not a gate that's a definite fixed transit point, so when I got to the other side I started to run a checklist without looking. Bookmarked this side of the WH, pulled back the camera to have a look around, thought to myself "I wonder why this side looks different, it's got a big sphere round it, kinda like a... bubble. Crap."
A more out of the way system to practise in next time, I think.  |
yer mammy
Angellic Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.25 10:05:00 -
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many moons ago, after going for a smoke and coming back to my pod in station, i learned that 'safe spots' aren't safe. 
Vai Tanis wrote:A recent lesson I learned, during my first ever attempt at exploration, is to never assume that the other side of a wormhole isn't camped. I got my cheap scanning frigate, kitted it out and headed off to practise scanning. Found a wormhole signature and locked it down, then warped to it. By this point I was well pleased with my first ever scanning attempt and the first time I'd ever seen a wormhole, so I bookmarked it then jumped through to take a look. It never occurred to me that it would be camped, it's not a gate that's a definite fixed transit point, so when I got to the other side I started to run a checklist without looking. Bookmarked this side of the WH, pulled back the camera to have a look around, thought to myself "I wonder why this side looks different, it's got a big sphere round it, kinda like a... bubble. Crap." A more out of the way system to practise in next time, I think.
just because there's a bubble on the hole doesn't mean it's being camped.
Soldarius wrote:Aye, watch d-scan for probes if you're going to mission while war-decced.
While under a dec from Privateers, I noted combat probes on my d-scan while running a level 4 in my Raven. No reds in local, so I assumed it was a ninja salvager/looter. After warping in and out a couple times over the next 15 minutes, I decided to call it quits for a bit and warped to gate to jump into my home system. Upon jumping, I found the gate camped by a WT Drake and Legion. Would have been a better fight if the Legion had not been neut fit. Was just bad luck on my part choosing the one gate that was camped. Then again, no telling if the other gates were camped, too.
Lesson here: Better off not missioning while war-decced.
let me guess. your home system was a mission hub? there was no luck. they knew where you would go. |
Abelard Nightbringer
New Foundation
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:49:00 -
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Vai Tanis wrote:A recent lesson I learned, during my first ever attempt at exploration, is to never assume that the other side of a wormhole isn't camped. I got my cheap scanning frigate, kitted it out and headed off to practise scanning. Found a wormhole signature and locked it down, then warped to it. By this point I was well pleased with my first ever scanning attempt and the first time I'd ever seen a wormhole, so I bookmarked it then jumped through to take a look. It never occurred to me that it would be camped, it's not a gate that's a definite fixed transit point, so when I got to the other side I started to run a checklist without looking. Bookmarked this side of the WH, pulled back the camera to have a look around, thought to myself "I wonder why this side looks different, it's got a big sphere round it, kinda like a... bubble. Crap." A more out of the way system to practise in next time, I think.
Yeah, bubble is just used to scare people, keep people INSIDE. If u go thru a hole, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from waiting out cloak/session timer, and just jumping right back out (careful, a third jump locks u out for 5 minutes). Chances are the people in that hole who put the bubble didn't come thru that hole to do it, they probably lived inside. Next time, bring a heavy ship in and blow tit up. If aggressed, just jump out :-) where you ENTER a hole from does not necessarily discern what's on the other side, or who |
Vai Tanis
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:40:00 -
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Aye, just the bubble itself wouldn't have spooked me, it was the volley of heavy missiles that took me into structure before I jumped back that convinced me it was camped. |
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