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elFarto
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Posted - 2005.08.11 21:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Bhaal
I'm not sure how far along SETI is, but how long does it take to look at 50 billion stars? Do they look at one star per night? (I have no clue how they scan)
If your thinking SETI@Home, they don't so much scan, they use the Arecibo Observatory which looks straight up, and uses the earths rotation to scan.
The down side of this is they're missing a huge chunk of the sky.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.08.11 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 11/08/2005 23:13:19
we have been visited many times....Tome cruise himself narrowly escaped death several times at the hands of an alien invasion, luckily, a combination of germ infections and computer viruses, with a little help from will smith saved our great planet from alien scum.
however, all survivers were quickly mind wiped by the MIB.
seriously: im not sure about visited, but i definatley think there is life out there in space, we cant be the only life in a gazillion planet galaxy in a near-infinite galaxy universe
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Makhan
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Posted - 2005.08.11 23:15:00 -
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yes.
X-com ftw.
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subvert
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Posted - 2005.08.12 01:35:00 -
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Im back everyone!!
Ok, listen to this but i must be brief because if there is some conspiracy out there  I dont want anyone who is keeping it a secret to be angry with me!
So I know some guy. This guy has some friend (who is now dead, natural causes) who was in some elite navy thing. I guess he was pretty up there. So this guy I knew said that his friend who was in the navy was sitting with him one night. He asked if there were aliens that visited our solar system. The navy guy said 'Im not allowed to give any information'. So the guy I know said 'Ok, If there are aliens who have visited our solar system then dont say anything' , and the navy guy didn't say anything.. stood up, and went home.
everything is confidential right?? What if he saw some aliens hovering over the sea. navy has some treally good technology right? maybe they could scan and find aliens when they would be scanning for enemy boats or whatever
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.08.12 09:46:00 -
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on the other hand, some british guys made a 'UFO' with basically a big propelled air balloon in the shape of a disc it was very slow but they sent across a town high in the sky and everyone were stopping and getting out their cars, taking pictures and generally saying 'wtf?'
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.08.12 11:13:00 -
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Just to throw something into the mix (mentioned earlier) ....
why do a lot of people in thread actually think we will see UFO's (assume aliens) when we can hide stuff from visible light - your eyesight. *IF* they have FTL, then surley they would of mastered this very simple technology?
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.12 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 12/08/2005 11:32:18
Edited by: Bhaal on 12/08/2005 11:28:18
Originally by: Monty Burns
Just to throw something into the mix (mentioned earlier) ....
why do a lot of people in thread actually think we will see UFO's (assume aliens) when we can hide stuff from visible light - your eyesight. *IF* they have FTL, then surley they would of mastered this very simple technology?
Well, the one force we have not been able to unify with the others is Gravity.
If there are UFO's, and there are aliens in them, maybe they are not from "our" Universe at all, but from another plane of existence (Dimension).
Maybe they have mastered the force of Gravity, and can shift from one plane to another.
Maybe they live on the planet Earth in their plane of existence and are not flying anywhere, just jumping dimensions.
From most of the UFO stories, it seems the UFO's have no aerodynamics, and do not use control surfaces to fly, they use anti-grav drives, etc...
Maybe these ships don't even fly through space, they just use the gravity drive to go from their planet Earth to many other planet "Earths" in different planes of existence. Superstring theory supports this multiple layered existence, and that gravity particles can jump from one to the other.
So these UFO's might not have to travel great distances through interstellar space at all...
If any of you watch the show StarGate, maybe they are going about it the wrong way.
Maybe we need to make a gate that if place at the same coordinates on many of the Earths in different dimensions, we can travel back and forth to those worlds, trade with whatever beings live there, etc... Could be billions of different Earths with humanoid life on them...
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2005.08.12 11:35:00 -
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I do hope there is life out there...
but, the chance of being aliens visiting us is as big as there is a god. And I don't belive in god(s) so for me it's highly unlikley.
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Zyyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.12 13:53:00 -
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well i just think they'll pop up (and not just hide ... and kill our crops, on that note maybe they want us to build them a big fancy landing pad LMAO) as soon as we grow up, stop blowing each other up, and start wasting our money on sumthin OTHER then stiiiill trying to get the moon again .. screw the moon, screw mars go straight to pluto, cause if u can make it that far u can make it AT LEAST everywere in the solar system
and as far as that probe we sent out "Voyager" i think one of them was probly out on a "Sunday drive" saw it and started making bets with his buddies who could blow it up first. so sending in little recordings of our crappy planet, we need to work on actual first contact ,basically the theory they use in "Start Trek - First Contact", we discovered and harnessed warp drive .. and what a surprise, the "aliens" started giving a s**t, so far we have all the equations for warp (the real warp .. the actuall bending of space, not goin really really fast, we just haven't got enough power or anything strong enough to USE it
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2005.08.12 14:35:00 -
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Am I the only one here who ever saw Men in Black?
Of course there are aliens. Geeesh people, get with the 21st century.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.12 17:45:00 -
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I find it hard to belive they have visited us because of the sitings. Any race caperble of traveling many light years to find us would almost certianly have the technology to render themselves completely and utterly invisible to us.
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Chalice Ghant
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Posted - 2005.08.12 18:54:00 -
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Aliens live amongst us. How else do you explain Bjork
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subvert
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Posted - 2005.08.12 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zaldiri
I find it hard to belive they have visited us because of the sitings. Any race caperble of traveling many light years to find us would almost certianly have the technology to render themselves completely and utterly invisible to us.
I dont see why. Why does everyone think they have to be these super-beings who are perfect? Nothing is perfect. You know one part of their technology could be very advanced while leaving others not so advanced. Discoveries dont happen always because of the collective intelligent of a species, they happen because one individual somehow stumbles upon the truths. So why must aliens have the technology ot render themselvs all so invisible??
Also Id saty they are doing a good job. we dont have an alien at the local zoo now do we? Its like black-op missions and behind enemy lines stuff. you try to be invisible but mistakes happen.
Look maybe the incas and egyptians worshipped aliens as gods, but come on.. we are more advanced than to look at a spaceship and declare them gods. So no, they are not divine and not perfect!!
Look at humans, we can fly to the moon and create realistic computerized simulations but we cant cure the common cold. We can blow up entire cities with nukes but we cant decide what an effective dose of green tea would be. It is all different fields of technology so why assume aliens are so different?
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.08.12 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Monty Burns on 12/08/2005 21:24:14
Originally by: subvert
...I dont see why. Why does everyone think they have to be these super-beings who are perfect? Nothing is perfect. You know one part of their technology could be very advanced while leaving others not so advanced.....ot render themselvs all so invisible??
So they dont have LCD tv's and cameras? Yes ... thats EXACTLY how we do active stealth. You can go to a TV shop and rig it up yourself  Go google it .... 
Originally by: subvert
Look at humans, we can fly to the moon and create realistic computerized simulations but we cant cure the common cold.
I can see *sort of* where your going with this but, the common cold is not actually a single organism/virus. It's more a term to describe a set of symptoms that can be caused by a collection of diferent nasty little things that upset us. As far as I understand it, most of the symptoms for a cold are in fact caused by your own immune system. If my understanding of a cold is true it is totaly understandable that we cannot cure what appears to be so simple and in fact, is so not.
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subvert
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Posted - 2005.08.13 00:03:00 -
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Replace common cold with cancer or the flu. point still stands! i dont know about the active stealth you go on about, but trust me.. people dont run around invisible in the real world.
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Kye Kenshin
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Posted - 2005.08.13 01:47:00 -
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One thing that gets me is why do people have to jump to the most outlandish explantion about something they can't explain?
So you saw a flying disc in the sky? Why does it have to be an alien spacecraft when there is so many other possible explantions that are closer to reality.
Conspiracy theory part:
How do you know that all these UFO's arent test flights of secret military technology? Is anyone certain about the true level of human technology. Im sure most government's would like to keep certain technological breakthroughs quiet.
Take the stealth bomber and that blackbird spylane the sr-?? for instance how many years were those in development and being tested before the public knew about them.
Now if wanted to keep people from knowing about these things creating the idea that they are alien spacecraft would be a great way to throw people off the scent.
Now i feel the chance's of another sentient lifeform existing in the same galaxy is very unlikely. I feel the fact we are here right now is nothing short of a miracle.
Just the fact our planet happens to have the most optimal conditions to support civilisation as we know it which has only been around for the last 3000 years. We still might go back to a primitive type of existance if the climate changes arent in our favour not including the possible global natural diasters from our planet and outer space that will happen at some point.
Now to reach the point of FTL technology will take a sentient life form alot longer then 3000 years so it has to be very lucky to continue in a constant state of stable progression not just simply surviving.
To put in short sentient life forms with FTL tech dotn exist so we havent been visited.
Damm i wrote too much!
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.13 11:07:00 -
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Just the fact our planet happens to have the most optimal conditions to support civilisation as we know it which has only been around for the last 3000 years.
We evolved to our surroundings...
If the atmosphere had 75% Nitrogen, 18% Sulfur Dioxide and only 7% Oxygen, we would have evolved to breathe that atmosphere instead of the 78% nitrogen and 21% oxygen with less than 1% of other elements atmosphere we have now.
Hell, who says life has to be carbon based? There are a lot of things we do not know. Just because we need certain conditions to live & thrive, does not mean all intelligent, sentient life would need the same exact conditions...
And your statement about no other civilizations having FTL, how do you know this? Where did you get your information?
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jason hill
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Posted - 2005.08.13 11:19:00 -
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john prescot...is an alien
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.13 11:25:00 -
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Acctualy it's acctualy quite plausable other intelligent life would be humanoid. It seems highly likely that intelligent life would have a centeral nervous system (having a dispersed nervous system would be very odd as information could not travel round the body fast enough).
If they have a CNS, most of the senses would have there primary sense organs (on humans then eyes, nose, ears and mouth) very close to the CNS, effectively creating a head.
As long as the creatures live on land this head would almost certainly be in the highest possible position (in order to use the senses to the maximum possible extent) and so you have upright creatures.
The creatures would need someway of itricant manipulation of their enviroment. This would almost certainly evolve from the creatures legs (which it would have beacuse there the best way of getting around on land).
So there you have a creature with a head, legs and hands that walks upright.
however some things that probably wouldn't be the same as humans are: the number of arms and legs, the breathing system, the bulk of the body (it seems likely the head would be pretty near human size).
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Thalanor
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Posted - 2005.08.13 11:28:00 -
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how do you explain the fact that the vast majority of sightings happen in america? either:
a) aliens think americans are cool.
b) america has a lot people who are likely to jump to silly conslusions/make stuff up to get attention.
not intended as a flame or anything, there are loads of americans who are great people,
but america is a big place, and there are also a lot of less so great people there.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.13 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Thalanor
how do you explain the fact that the vast majority of sightings happen in america? either:
a) aliens think americans are cool.
b) america has a lot people who are likely to jump to silly conslusions/make stuff up to get attention.
not intended as a flame or anything, there are loads of americans who are great people,
but america is a big place, and there are also a lot of less so great people there.
Where did you get your statistics from?
There have been plenty of sightings reported all over the world.
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Kye Kenshin
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Posted - 2005.08.13 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
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Just the fact our planet happens to have the most optimal conditions to support civilisation as we know it which has only been around for the last 3000 years.
We evolved to our surroundings...
If the atmosphere had 75% Nitrogen, 18% Sulfur Dioxide and only 7% Oxygen, we would have evolved to breathe that atmosphere instead of the 78% nitrogen and 21% oxygen with less than 1% of other elements atmosphere we have now.
Hell, who says life has to be carbon based? There are a lot of things we do not know. Just because we need certain conditions to live & thrive, does not mean all intelligent, sentient life would need the same exact conditions...
And your statement about no other civilizations having FTL, how do you know this? Where did you get your information?
I see what your saying bhaal but if there planet is anything like earth climate conditions wont always be the same and wont always favour the conditions needed to sustain civilisation even if they aren't carbon based.
I very much doubt our current state of civilisation could exist during the last ice age even though humans did and there's always the danger that we could go back into another ice age thus halting advancement in favour of survial.
So other intelligent life forms would have to be very lucky to have stable conditions to reach FTL.
My point is without stable modern civilisation advanced technological breakthroughs cant happen. No matter how intelligent the species is.
Can people see the argument im trying to make as im not very good at explaining things
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Yith Solarius
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Posted - 2005.08.13 12:05:00 -
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here's a random fact for you all. Did you know that Livingston is the UFO sighting capital of Scotland.
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Posted - 2005.08.13 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Thalanor
how do you explain the fact that the vast majority of sightings happen in america? either:
a) aliens think americans are cool.
b) america has a lot people who are likely to jump to silly conslusions/make stuff up to get attention.
not intended as a flame or anything, there are loads of americans who are great people,
but america is a big place, and there are also a lot of less so great people there.
erm, americans don't have the bigest amount of ufo sightings/km¦, it's just the combination of
1) most americans tend to be very loud, if they see a ufo, the chance of them yelling it out to the world is big.
2) america is big, if you take the amount of ufo's seen in the uk (since everybady seems to know where the uk is) and compare it with the amount of ufo's seen in the usa, ofcourse your gone get more ufo sightings in the usa, you can fit the uk into the usa several times and still have room to spare.
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subvert
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Posted - 2005.08.13 17:58:00 -
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Can we not do this american generalization/bashing here pelase  I can see its moving to that, but generalizing means yuour ignorant and so I hope we can all be NOT ignorant and instead talk about whats really going on.. ALIENS visiting us all
there are reports all over the world. false statistics not welcome in the thread!
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Sirkill
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Posted - 2005.08.13 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Garion Maki
Originally by: Thalanor
how do you explain the fact that the vast majority of sightings happen in america? either:
a) aliens think americans are cool.
b) america has a lot people who are likely to jump to silly conslusions/make stuff up to get attention.
not intended as a flame or anything, there are loads of americans who are great people,
but america is a big place, and there are also a lot of less so great people there.
erm, americans don't have the bigest amount of ufo sightings/km¦, it's just the combination of
1) most americans tend to be very loud, if they see a ufo, the chance of them yelling it out to the world is big.
2) america is big, if you take the amount of ufo's seen in the uk (since everybady seems to know where the uk is) and compare it with the amount of ufo's seen in the usa, ofcourse your gone get more ufo sightings in the usa, you can fit the uk into the usa several times and still have room to spare.
Um america is somethiung like 100 times bigger than the UK... but it only had about 5 times the population (crowded arnt we). Thus americans report more sitings per person than the rest of the world. (strangley you'd think more crowed places would have a high rate of reporting as more people would see the UFO). Anyway to quote the Simpsons "why are all people who see UFOs dull lazy people with deadend jobs"
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subvert
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Posted - 2005.08.14 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sirkill
Um america is somethiung like 100 times bigger than the UK... but it only had about 5 times the population (crowded arnt we). Thus americans report more sitings per person than the rest of the world. (strangley you'd think more crowed places would have a high rate of reporting as more people would see the UFO). Anyway to quote the Simpsons "why are all people who see UFOs dull lazy people with deadend jobs"
You have yet to provide any real numbers and facts reguarding the number of sightings reported from the UK and the USA.
Thus you just want to think things about Americans without having any proof or reason to.
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Garion Maki
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Posted - 2005.08.14 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Garion Maki on 14/08/2005 00:23:10
Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Sirkill
Um america is somethiung like 100 times bigger than the UK... but it only had about 5 times the population (crowded arnt we). Thus americans report more sitings per person than the rest of the world. (strangley you'd think more crowed places would have a high rate of reporting as more people would see the UFO). Anyway to quote the Simpsons "why are all people who see UFOs dull lazy people with deadend jobs"
You have yet to provide any real numbers and facts reguarding the number of sightings reported from the UK and the USA.
Thus you just want to think things about Americans without having any proof or reason to.
so... let's steer this away from americans then, I read that they found some more evidence of ancient ufo's in egypte, but in the way that they knew what they where and actualy flew flying crafts back then and that the 2 big nations of that time waged war which led to a few molten city's (atomic bombs) and atlanta sinking, sending humanity a few IQ levels down...
Worth a read if your traveling in eve Linkage
so.. this might move the debate from "are aliens using ufo's to visit us" to "did we, in ancient times build the ufo's we see today, and might there still be some hidden civilization in our solar system with advanced technology, but that started on earth to?"
Kind of makes you think, we might once have had the technology to controll gravity (and anti-gravity), but then lost it and allot more in a giant World War 0.
edit: added a bit.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2005.08.14 03:47:00 -
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I have read that somewhere around India long ago they had plans for a stealth bomber of some sort. Compared to todays stealth bomber it's design was very close. There are many references in history to what could be UFOs or aliens. It's an interesting topic, but I don't we as humans have enough knowledge to touch on it. I think that there is much more to physics, life and death, and the universe itself than we think there is.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.08.14 10:31:00 -
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the americans stole the stealth bomber plans from the germans after WW2, and modified it 50years later and called it their own.
that was a bit offtopic
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