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Ditchdoctor
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Posted - 2005.08.09 21:10:00 -
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Its time to get a thread going about Vindicator loadouts added to the sticky.
I have one and I love using it so far. My primary use for it atm is Lvl3 and 4 missions.
Highs: 6 named 425mm rails, 2 named cruise launchers
Mids: Lif AB, 4 Cap Recharger 2's
Lows: Large Armor Repairer 2, 3 N-type hardners, 2 PDU 2's, Cap Power Relay
I have had excellent success with this set-up doing missions and tailer the harners and drones to the type of NPC Im up against. When I find it necessary to fit 4 hardners I drop the AB and add another Cap Recharger 2 because I run out of CPU. I have also tried painters and webs in the mids for intys and frigs but havent seen a ounce of difference. My drones make quick work of even the intys so I just let them kill the small stuff up close.
Anyone else have a set-up they like?
I probably won't PvP in this ship while costs are so high but good PvP loadouts would be appreciated also.
Ditchdoctor
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.08.09 21:18:00 -
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I bet that ship would be way more fun with blasters and assault launchers.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.09 21:28:00 -
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I can't understand why people feel the need to PVE in faction ships. You don't need "teh edge" against NPCs, they go down easy enough with standard gear. And trust me, there will be lag and there will be CTDs. It's not nice to go whine the ship back through petitions.
What it comes to your setup, one of the main advantages of the vindicator is the MWD boni.
But, yeah, its your ship, do as you see fit. ^_^
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.08.09 21:45:00 -
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The most kick ass short range battleship ingame... and you fit it with rails. That's more then enough to make one really really sad. But oh well, she sure is pretty.
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Porro
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Posted - 2005.08.09 22:50:00 -
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With 10% cap bonus towards the mwd per level dont you end up with more cap if you fit a mwd?
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Ditchdoctor
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Posted - 2005.08.09 23:16:00 -
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When I tried the MWD there was a cap and shield penalty still although it was reduced due to the bonus.
I do have plans to try a close range set-up as well.
The reason for rails on my current set-up is quite frankly it deals huge damage at distance (20-80km) and the drones / cruise launchers do the rest.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2005.08.10 00:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Ditchdoctor
When I tried the MWD there was a cap and shield penalty still although it was reduced due to the bonus.
One has to wonder if you really tried putting a mwd on it, as the shield penalty was removed God knows how long ago, and other people have stated here that you can end up with an apoc-like cap, i.e 6400 or so. (Of course this has been with a good Minnie BS skill lvl.
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Ditchdoctor
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Posted - 2005.08.10 04:38:00 -
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Indeed I typed faster then I was thinking and made an error when I said shield. My cap was reduced when the MWD was added.
Without MWD Cap= 5670
With MWD Cap= 4252
You dont get a bonus to the ships cap for using a MWD rather a reduction in the penalty.
Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% Bonus
to MicroWarpdrive capacitor penalty per level
So really one has to wonder if those people who talk about apoc like cap really have one of these. 
Thanks for correcting me and dont forget to grab a cookie on the way out of this thread troll
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.08.10 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ditchdoctor
Indeed I typed faster then I was thinking and made an error when I said shield. My cap was reduced when the MWD was added.
Without MWD Cap= 5670
With MWD Cap= 4252
You dont get a bonus to the ships cap for using a MWD rather a reduction in the penalty.
Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% Bonus
to MicroWarpdrive capacitor penalty per level
So really one has to wonder if those people who talk about apoc like cap really have one of these.
Thanks for correcting me and dont forget to grab a cookie on the way out of this thread troll
Actually, a vigilant seems to get a cap boost when an mwd is fitted. And a Vindicator would def have the same if skills were high enough. The only way your cap would actually be lesser than what you started with, is if you had minmatar bship at less than lvl 3.
The otehr reason I can think of, is that you arenmt flying a Vindicator. Maybe its a megathron ur flyin.
Originally by: Blind Fear
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.08.10 07:56:00 -
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The way the cap penalty "reduction" is applied is if you fit a MWD you get an additional *1.X modifier, where X is the bonus from the ship.
Thus, with Gallente Cruiser lvl 4 and a MWD fitted, the Thorax gets a 0.9375x cap modifier (0.75 * 1.20)
Since the Vindicator has a 10% bonus per level Minmatar Battleship, if you have lvl 1 Mini BS, you get an .825 multiplier. Only if you have Mini BS lvl 4+ do you get an actual bonus.
MWD modifier per level Minmatar BS
lvl 1: 0.825
lvl 2: 0.900
lvl 3: 0.975
lvl 4: 1.050
lvl 5: 1.125
Harry Voyager
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.08.10 11:13:00 -
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Although the extra mid slot is nice, if you are going to go with rails you should think about getting a Navy Issue.
Also you dont need the 2 x PDU II's train up Advanced Weapons upgrades.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.08.10 11:19:00 -
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vindicator + rails = waste of ship in my eyes. You can fit 1 more tracking comp, but that's it.
Ship gets cap bonus if you fit MWD, lol. So maybe you should fit mwd and get rid of cap rechargers... :)
And since you already have MWD there, fit blasters.
Easy, isn't it?
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Tony Blaire
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Posted - 2005.08.10 13:06:00 -
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and everyone knows close range fighting is SOOO much more than than long range!
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Ditchdoctor
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Posted - 2005.08.10 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
The way the cap penalty "reduction" is applied is if you fit a MWD you get an additional *1.X modifier, where X is the bonus from the ship.
Thus, with Gallente Cruiser lvl 4 and a MWD fitted, the Thorax gets a 0.9375x cap modifier (0.75 * 1.20)
Since the Vindicator has a 10% bonus per level Minmatar Battleship, if you have lvl 1 Mini BS, you get an .825 multiplier. Only if you have Mini BS lvl 4+ do you get an actual bonus.
MWD modifier per level Minmatar BS
lvl 1: 0.825
lvl 2: 0.900
lvl 3: 0.975
lvl 4: 1.050
lvl 5: 1.125
Harry Voyager
Wish this was the case. The cap that I quoted is with Gal BS 4 and Min BS 4.
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W0lverine
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Posted - 2005.08.10 13:54:00 -
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this tread makes me sad
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.08.10 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ditchdoctor
Originally by: Harry Voyager
The way the cap penalty "reduction" is applied is if you fit a MWD you get an additional *1.X modifier, where X is the bonus from the ship.
Thus, with Gallente Cruiser lvl 4 and a MWD fitted, the Thorax gets a 0.9375x cap modifier (0.75 * 1.20)
Since the Vindicator has a 10% bonus per level Minmatar Battleship, if you have lvl 1 Mini BS, you get an .825 multiplier. Only if you have Mini BS lvl 4+ do you get an actual bonus.
MWD modifier per level Minmatar BS
lvl 1: 0.825
lvl 2: 0.900
lvl 3: 0.975
lvl 4: 1.050
lvl 5: 1.125
Harry Voyager
Wish this was the case. The cap that I quoted is with Gal BS 4 and Min BS 4.
Well, then you were getting no bonus to it at all. 4252 is exactly 75% of 5670. If you've still got the ship, I'd petition it.
Harry Voyager
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Ditchdoctor
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Posted - 2005.08.10 15:42:00 -
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Thanks Harry for actually providing me with some usefull information. I will petetion it tonight and see what happens.
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2005.08.10 16:12:00 -
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I have 5/5 and end up with 6400 cap, the bonus is still broke though i think its only 7.5% indstead of 10 like it is supposed to be. So i think with both 5 you get 6800 if they would ever fix the bonus.
Using the ship to do agent missions is sad enough but fitting it with rails does it 1 worse, if you want rails so bad get a navy mega.
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Vee Bot
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Posted - 2005.08.10 16:15:00 -
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missions have DS, DS = no MWD, hence blasters with AB sucks - answer = fit rails
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.08.10 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: CKieschnick
I have 5/5 and end up with 6400 cap, the bonus is still broke though i think its only 7.5% indstead of 10 like it is supposed to be. So i think with both 5 you get 6800 if they would ever fix the bonus.
How do you get that figure? Base cap of 4,500 * 1.25 (energy management 5) * 0.75 (MWD) * 1.5 (Minmatar BS 5) = 6,328.125
Is that different to what you're getting at the moment? Am I missing something out like a cap battery or power diag on your fitting?
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2005.08.10 16:25:00 -
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i've never done the math with it, just was told by someone who also has a vind that the bonus with still only giving 7.5%.
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.08.10 16:27:00 -
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Could you tell me the exact figure for your cap when you get a chance? :D
I assume it's not precisely 6,400.
Someone really needs to keep me away from the Taranis |
CKieschnick
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Posted - 2005.08.10 16:31:00 -
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Its what you said i just round it up :)
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Hor Lur
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Posted - 2005.08.10 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Hor Lur on 10/08/2005 17:02:58
 Oops, wrong thread
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2005.08.10 17:06:00 -
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Don't count out using the vindicator as a sniping setup.
With the five medium slots, you can get a scan res of about 1300. That makes for very short lock times.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.08.10 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Brown
Don't count out using the vindicator as a sniping setup.
With the five medium slots, you can get a scan res of about 1300. That makes for very short lock times.
Oh there's no question about it's usefullness as a sniper, but it's not the best faction battleship for that job, it is however the best for blaster mayhem. I'm never gonna fly one, can't afford too, and it makes me sad to see it go to waste as a mediocre sniper when it can be so much more.
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