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Androidanien Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.03.02 11:29:00 - [1] - Quote A few days ago, i experienced myself to shoot a ninja with a bs.... ( he was in a cruiser) You will say i'm pretty an idiot, but anyway i thought that he would never go through my tank.... and that's how it worked... i was going to kill him... Then he came with an alt in a logistic ( impossible to kill his remoted cruiser ) .... i feel that's not an exploit as it's possible for me to shoot his logistic.... it's not fair game but anyway... i'm fine with that... Second thing he couldn't go throw my active tank.... so he came with an orca to refiit himself with full neut.... it tooked a long time but he killed me.... is this an exploit? as he use a really different fit than the first one... adapted on the challenge, and his ship that obviously can't kill me in normal way (when i engaged him) did it because he was cap + armor remoted + refit full neut (obviously not cap stable)..... it tooked half an hour .... but he killed me.... i think it's just a bit too much help for a 1v1 in empire .....
Zheketri Caldari Provisions Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.03.02 11:38:00 - [2] - Quote Androidanien wrote: A few days ago, i experienced myself to shoot a ninja with a bs.... ( he was in a cruiser) You will say i'm pretty an idiot, but anyway i thought that he would never go through my tank.... and that's how it worked... i was going to kill him... Then he came with an alt in a logistic ( impossible to kill his remoted cruiser ) .... i feel that's not an exploit as it's possible for me to shoot his logistic.... it's not fair game but anyway... i'm fine with that... Second thing he couldn't go throw my active tank.... so he came with an orca to refiit himself with full neut.... it tooked a long time but he killed me.... is this an exploit? as he use a really different fit than the first one... adapted on the challenge, and his ship that obviously can't kill me in normal way (when i engaged him) did it because he was cap + armor remoted + refit full neut (obviously not cap stable)..... it tooked half an hour .... but he killed me.... i think it's just a bit too much help for a 1v1 in empire ..... There is no 1vs1, only alts. "Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 319	Posted - 2013.03.02 11:51:00 - [3] - Quote So he beat you in a 3v1, sounds reasonable. Fair play for actually engaging him though.
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide. 141	Posted - 2013.03.02 12:02:00 - [4] - Quote http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdyidqrRnu1rl8hi3o1_400.gif Basically this
Roime Shiva Furnace 2114	Posted - 2013.03.02 13:34:00 - [5] - Quote I also shot a ninja Arbi in my Ishtar, and little did I know that ****** had a whole fleet of retardedly OP ships on his side. I think it's an exploit to have a surprise trumpcard in your sleeve when you engage in a fair 1vs1 http://shivafurnace.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16497359 (I don't usually go to hisec, but when I do, I get blown up?) -á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars -
Bullitbait High Flyers Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.03.02 13:45:00 - [6] - Quote Androidanien wrote: A few days ago, i experienced myself to shoot a ninja with a bs.... ( he was in a cruiser) You will say i'm pretty an idiot, but anyway i thought that he would never go through my tank.... and that's how it worked... i was going to kill him... Then he came with an alt in a logistic ( impossible to kill his remoted cruiser ) .... i feel that's not an exploit as it's possible for me to shoot his logistic.... it's not fair game but anyway... i'm fine with that... Second thing he couldn't go throw my active tank.... so he came with an orca to refiit himself with full neut.... it tooked a long time but he killed me.... is this an exploit? as he use a really different fit than the first one... adapted on the challenge, and his ship that obviously can't kill me in normal way (when i engaged him) did it because he was cap + armor remoted + refit full neut (obviously not cap stable)..... it tooked half an hour .... but he killed me.... i think it's just a bit too much help for a 1v1 in empire ..... This wasn't an exploit, but rather superior tactics. He baited you to attack, and you failed for it. It took me a long time to also realize Eve is a team sport. Solo gameplay doing anything will leave you at disadvantage. Helps CCP sell you more accounts.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 371	Posted - 2013.03.02 15:19:00 - [7] - Quote Androidanien wrote: it tooked half an hour .... but he killed me.... Wait, isn-¦t it a 15 minute timer to deagress? Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. Mangala Solaris for CSM 8
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 383	Posted - 2013.03.02 15:57:00 - [8] - Quote no, it is not an exploit to kill you
Pax Thar Sovereign Front 48	Posted - 2013.03.02 16:37:00 - [9] - Quote not an exploit.. just cheap as f...
Morgan Torry Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors 109	Posted - 2013.03.02 16:43:00 - [10] - Quote Nerath Naaris wrote: Androidanien wrote: it tooked half an hour .... but he killed me.... Wait, isn-¦t it a 15 minute timer to deagress? This. Also, it's not an exploit to use the game mechanics to his advantage. You engaged on him, meaning you accepted whatever card he had against you. Do you think highsec means BS > anything smaller 100% of the time? Live and learn. Also where were your corp mates? Surely a buddy in a gank fit BC could've came in while you had NPC aggro and just ripped through his reps (even if he had boosts, which he probably did if he's dedicating Orcas and logis). Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://goo.gl/j1J09
Zappity Kurved Space 5	Posted - 2013.03.03 04:27:00 - [11] - Quote [quote=Nerath Naaris]Wait, isn-¦t it a 15 minute timer to deagress? [/q] The timer starts counting down when aggression on both sided ceases. Your actual deaggression timer (can't dock or use stargates) is much shorter and is one sided. Don't fall for the bait.
Disastro Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 56	Posted - 2013.03.03 12:37:00 - [12] - Quote Androidanien wrote: A few days ago, i experienced myself to shoot a ninja with a bs.... ( he was in a cruiser) You will say i'm pretty an idiot, but anyway i thought that he would never go through my tank.... and that's how it worked... i was going to kill him... Then he came with an alt in a logistic ( impossible to kill his remoted cruiser ) .... i feel that's not an exploit as it's possible for me to shoot his logistic.... it's not fair game but anyway... i'm fine with that... Second thing he couldn't go throw my active tank.... so he came with an orca to refiit himself with full neut.... it tooked a long time but he killed me.... is this an exploit? as he use a really different fit than the first one... adapted on the challenge, and his ship that obviously can't kill me in normal way (when i engaged him) did it because he was cap + armor remoted + refit full neut (obviously not cap stable)..... it tooked half an hour .... but he killed me.... i think it's just a bit too much help for a 1v1 in empire ..... Unfortunately, this is the reason you have always been told not to shoot at the ninja. Few people in EVE fight fair. Most folks who steal items to get agro have logistics alts or friends nearby. That is the nature of the game in high sec pvp. The orca thing is interesting. What I used to do in high sec can flipping sometimes is have a friend come by and jump out of their heavy assault cruiser and i would jump out of my merlin and into their HAC and kill the target. It was often easier to get people to engage my merlin than it would have been to get them to engage a HAC.
Gary Bell Hard Knocks Inc. 30	Posted - 2013.03.03 15:26:00 - [13] - Quote Correct me if im wrong but when the logi reps him it goes suspect.. IE anyone can shoot him right? Cuz if so I would have Asked for help in local.. If you were there for that long some pvpers could have easily come in and ganked his logi for you.. just for the kms if nothing else..
Androidanien Illium Society 0	Posted - 2013.03.03 18:51:00 - [14] - Quote yeah i could have attacked the logi but then i would have a second ship on me ( he dock fo a pvp ship) In fact that's the orca refit that i think is pretty lame..... it's like you can adapt yourself to a situation without docking.... he would have never killed me without that... it's just you tackle someone and then you fit yourself in space to kill him while still tackle the guy..... then why do we use a fit? each fit as his counterparts .... but there is no more counterparts in this situation as you can change during the fight..... or make the orca targettable like the logistic.... it's an help during a fight, and the orca doing this should go under suspect flag.... here the orca came to the fight... just sitting there and you can't do nothing against him it's a heavy help during a fight without any counterpart....
Reppyk Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD. 367	Posted - 2013.03.03 19:09:00 - [15] - Quote http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16429283 Je vois que Solaris ne change pas.
Morgan Torry Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors 112	Posted - 2013.03.03 19:39:00 - [16] - Quote Reppyk wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16429283 Je vois que Solaris ne change pas. 500m loot by holding down a guy for an hour with an AC Rupture. Mad respect. You just fell into his trap...should've just kept running the mission and wait for the rats to switch to him. He would've ran then. Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://goo.gl/j1J09
Reppyk Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD. 367	Posted - 2013.03.03 21:04:00 - [17] - Quote Guyz guyz I got pointz I can killz a cruiser with my pimp BS !
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 322	Posted - 2013.03.03 22:32:00 - [18] - Quote Does the Orca go suspect for allowing a suspect to reship in its Ship Maintenance Bay?
Reppyk Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD. 367	Posted - 2013.03.03 23:49:00 - [19] - Quote Takseen wrote: Does the Orca go suspect for allowing a suspect to reship in its Ship Maintenance Bay? Nope. CCP tried many times to patch all these orca loopholes and failed miserably each time.
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1453	Posted - 2013.03.04 00:07:00 - [20] - Quote lol. that is all.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 1565	Posted - 2013.03.04 00:36:00 - [21] - Quote orca should become suspect if it helps a suspect the same way a logistics ship inherits the flags. Thats the basic crimewatch principle. just file a bug report. a eve-style bounty system (done)-á dust boarding parties You fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked
Disastro Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 56	Posted - 2013.03.04 01:22:00 - [22] - Quote Gary Bell wrote: Correct me if im wrong but when the logi reps him it goes suspect.. IE anyone can shoot him right? Cuz if so I would have Asked for help in local.. If you were there for that long some pvpers could have easily come in and ganked his logi for you.. just for the kms if nothing else.. A couple of points on this: 1. The logi dude most likely warped in at range. So he really isnt concerned about getting shot. If he gets shot he warps out cuz he wont be pointed and he will then jump in a combat ship and then there will be two people killing you. 2. Others are unlikely to do anything about the logi dude. He will be in a mission site so there wont be a bunch of ppl seeing him go red. Unless someone invites them to a fleet they wont be in the site and wont be able to agro the logi dude. And in a carebear mission zone in high sec it is unlikely than many would be interested in getting involved in any event. Its nothing personal but those dudes are likely to be busy running their own missions and wont wanna risk their toys.
Reppyk Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD. 367	Posted - 2013.03.04 03:49:00 - [23] - Quote Bienator II wrote: orca should become suspect if it helps a suspect the same way a logistics ship inherits the flags. Thats the basic crimewatch principle. just file a bug report. Stop posting.
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 510	Posted - 2013.03.04 03:53:00 - [24] - Quote Reppyk wrote: Bienator II wrote: orca should become suspect if it helps a suspect the same way a logistics ship inherits the flags. Thats the basic crimewatch principle. just file a bug report. Stop posting. Seems fair enough to me.
Princess Saskia Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx 84	Posted - 2013.03.04 09:19:00 - [25] - Quote Nope. That is all. Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
Angelique Duchemin Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 71	Posted - 2013.03.04 09:31:00 - [26] - Quote I would call it an exploit if you are being undermined by a party that you cannot engage. The orca should have to be in the fight in order for your opponent to use the refitting service. Does anyone know a good website to upload loudouts too that doesn't try to sell me plexes in between every line?
Kane Alvo Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors 38	Posted - 2013.03.04 09:35:00 - [27] - Quote Was your 2B loss worth taking a shot at a ninja who might have stolen 1/10th of that in loot? Caldari Militia -áGÿ£G£¬GÿP
Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 795	Posted - 2013.03.04 17:23:00 - [28] - Quote If an orca supporting you should become suspect, then what else should incur a suspect flag? Certainly things like logi support and remote sebos or projected ECCM do (and should), but what about someone ship scanning your enemy for you? What about someone watching dscan for enemy logi for you? What actually happens in space between two (or more) spaceships is only about 10% of the game. Cultivating a support system is important pre-fight work. You have to know the options open to your enemy and he most likely knows these things about you. You're given the same tools as your enemy, and your challenge is to use it better than him. Some weeks ago we had a call go out to our little community. Someone was in a fight. It was a Vindi versus a Nightmare. The Vindi couldn't break the Nightmare and the Nightmare was (very slowly) getting back to gate. We went out with some bump ships and got him off gate, but the Vindi still couldn't break the Nightmare. We went to scramble an Orca so that the Vindi could refit some neuts but the Nightmare got a friendly Orca on grid first, changed out some lows for warp core stabs and got away. Both combatants had support networks and the Nightmare pilot used his better. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. Have a blog, if you care.
Angelique Duchemin Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 86	Posted - 2013.03.04 18:18:00 - [29] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: Some weeks ago we had a call go out to our little community. Someone was in a fight. It was a Vindi versus a Nightmare. The Vindi couldn't break the Nightmare and the Nightmare was (very slowly) getting back to gate. We went out with some bump ships and got him off gate, but the Vindi still couldn't break the Nightmare. We went to scramble an Orca so that the Vindi could refit some neuts but the Nightmare got a friendly Orca on grid first, changed out some lows for warp core stabs and got away. Both combatants had support networks and the Nightmare pilot used his better. That sounds.... Completely ridiculous. You turned space battles into curling... We are all lesser for being in a game where something like that occurred in place of proper fighting. Does anyone know a good website to upload loudouts too that doesn't try to sell me plexes in between every line?
Zappity Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.03.04 18:58:00 - [30] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: Psychotic Monk wrote: Some weeks ago we had a call go out to our little community. Someone was in a fight. It was a Vindi versus a Nightmare. The Vindi couldn't break the Nightmare and the Nightmare was (very slowly) getting back to gate. We went out with some bump ships and got him off gate, but the Vindi still couldn't break the Nightmare. We went to scramble an Orca so that the Vindi could refit some neuts but the Nightmare got a friendly Orca on grid first, changed out some lows for warp core stabs and got away. Both combatants had support networks and the Nightmare pilot used his better. That sounds.... Completely ridiculous. You turned space battles into curling... We are all lesser for being in a game where something like that occurred in place of proper fighting. Rubbish. On grid tactical options increase the unpredictability of the outcome and are a healthy thing for the game. Or do you think the only tactics that should be used in a fight involve things that go pew? Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")

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