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D CENT
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Posted - 2005.08.10 10:08:00 -
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Im just a little mystified has to why when we get podded we lose sp! The amount of skills this game has to learn it would take a very long time to achieve what your after anyway! Ok so you should buy insurance! But to lose 300000 sp's when podded is a bit extreme. Perhaps im the only one who is thinking along those lines. Why do i always feel like im going backwards with this game your thoughts please.
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2005.08.10 10:25:00 -
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It certainly sux to get podded if you dont have a clone. Personaly I think penalties like that is ok. Take WOW, its absolutely NO penalties  , and as far as I know EVE got the most harsh penalties av all the MMOs I have played. Ship losses are hard to replace, not always isk wise but unless you have reserves nearby you might spend the next day looking for new modules and stuff. You loose weeks accomplished training if you get killed without a pod. And for those who say "yarghh, incurance... u loose nothing when you get blown up", incurance cost 30 mill, modules cost millions aswell even if they are not named. The loss is somewhere around 50 mill which is 1-3 days of mission running or mining (with my skills anyway  )
But all this is what makes me exited and my hurt pump faster when you are in action 
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.08.10 10:41:00 -
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You only lose SPs when you're podded if you don't have an up-to-date clone.
Look on it as a form of insurance.
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2005.08.10 10:46:00 -
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Because you deserve to. 
Buy a clone.
Sev
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Basileus
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Posted - 2005.08.10 10:57:00 -
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Get a clone??
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Rafein
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Posted - 2005.08.10 11:15:00 -
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As long as you have a clone with more Sp capacity than you own, you will not lose any SP.
But when you get podded, you have to buy another one, because you used yours.
It would be nice to set it to rebuy if ou get involved in a war.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.08.10 12:41:00 -
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Is 300,000 SP even a week of training these days?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.10 13:13:00 -
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They should do away with clones and just remove insurance. You would get much more risk taking in PVP that way.
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2005.08.10 13:17:00 -
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 Originally by: theRaptor
They should do away with clones and just remove insurance. You would get much more risk taking in PVP that way.
If you want to play extreme, there is no rule that you have to insure your ships or get a clone.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.08.10 16:05:00 -
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I reccomend flying with zydrine in your cargo hold for that extra kick too.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.08.11 08:12:00 -
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Mandatory clone purchases create a moneysink, decrease inflation and ensure a small Darwinian level for Eve players.
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D CENT
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Posted - 2005.08.11 10:42:00 -
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Yeah ok so i should have got insurance. But 300,000sp's is seven days of lost training for me! I dont mind the being blown up by the big battle ship thats what the game is about. But seven bloody days of lost training that is a long time. But i will get back on it. Just thought you know that it is extreme to say the least why not just take the money it would cost for you to clone. Like someone has said you lose more money through mods lost surly thats enough of a loss for anybody to cry about. The named mods are worth crying over. It is like i say im not complaining about being blown up hell it comes with the terrioty.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cell Satimo
Originally by: theRaptor
They should do away with clones and just remove insurance. You would get much more risk taking in PVP that way.
If you want to play extreme, there is no rule that you have to insure your ships or get a clone.
No I meant you shouldn't be able to lose SP when you get podded just implants. And to counter act the removal of clones as an Isk sink they should reduce/remove insurance. I think it would be more fun if older players could actually risk fighting in T1 frigates.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:29:00 -
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If your so lazy you can't go update your clone then go play WoW.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:32:00 -
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mmh i think that aint such a bad idea, that when you die they see omfg the clone is short on sp and than quickly transfer your sp into a better clone but charge lets say from 100 k - 100 mil (going from worst to best clone)... for the trouble. c'mon the whole losing sp **** is something you could do when bs lvl 5 took 10 days, not in such a skill intensive game like eve. btw i have my clone upto date
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:46:00 -
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While I don't think I want to go to the extreme, I do think we should lose some SP, even with a full up to date clone.
Being podded should hurt. Most PvP players don't use implants, so they don't have that worry.
Sev
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Reapo 2
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Posted - 2005.08.11 12:33:00 -
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We lose skillpoints only if we dont update our clones, itsa valid lose if u dont upgrade or forget to upgrade ur clne.
Its part of the game and i like it, especialy when u pod some1 twice and see that they didnt set they're clone to a medical station
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Pudoris
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Posted - 2005.08.11 13:48:00 -
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In fact sev because pvp players do not use implants as often you are taking a hit sp wise since you train faster with implants. So no I do not think you should add a sp penalty to podding if you do have an up to date clone.
Clone costs are not a joke either.
I think it is just dandy like it is now.
Though I must add... plz dont pod me anyone cuz I lub you all 
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.08.11 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT
Yeah ok so i should have got insurance. But 300,000sp's is seven days of lost training for me! I dont mind the being blown up by the big battle ship thats what the game is about. But seven bloody days of lost training that is a long time. But i will get back on it. Just thought you know that it is extreme to say the least why not just take the money it would cost for you to clone. Like someone has said you lose more money through mods lost surly thats enough of a loss for anybody to cry about. The named mods are worth crying over. It is like i say im not complaining about being blown up hell it comes with the terrioty.
Er. Not insurance m8. A CLONE!!!!
Go to a station with a medical facility. It has a green picture with a picture looks like a bunch of upright green coffins. Pick "upgrade clone". Then pick a clone with some room to grow, so if you have 10 mil skillpoints, go for the one that goes up to 12 (or whatever, I have to use top clones now).
BW
PS. Lower clone price for the top 2 would be nice. Just cuz I have a lot of skillpoint doesn't mean I'm either rich, or unwilling to fight in frigs.
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lord mut
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Posted - 2005.08.12 00:00:00 -
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You only lose SPs when you're podded if you don't have an up-to-date clone.
Look on it as a form of insurance.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
well thats not true i clone jump and lost skill points and still ccp has not gave me them back thay still keep saying i did not have a clone but my wallet says i did and i am one ov them people that check there clones before taking the short bus 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.12 02:04:00 -
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You can lose skillpoints even if you have an up to date clone.
Not sure how the hell that works but I know it's happened to friends.
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araveug ehc
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Posted - 2005.08.12 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: araveug ehc on 12/08/2005 11:08:46
Originally by: Deja Thoris
You can lose skillpoints even if you have an up to date clone.
Not sure how the hell that works but I know it's happened to friends.
Yup, been there  ...
Clone up to date (10M+ sp whilst i had only 2M) still lost skillpoints.
I think you lose the points of the skill you're training. so if you're training a 0-> 1 not a big loss but lvl 4 -> 5 
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.08.12 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: araveug ehc
Edited by: araveug ehc on 12/08/2005 11:08:46
Originally by: Deja Thoris
You can lose skillpoints even if you have an up to date clone.
Not sure how the hell that works but I know it's happened to friends.
Yup, been there ...
Clone up to date (10M+ sp whilst i had only 2M) still lost skillpoints.
I think you lose the points of the skill you're training. so if you're training a 0-> 1 not a big loss but lvl 4 -> 5
if such thing happens -> petition
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Nosferatu Zodd
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Posted - 2005.08.12 20:25:00 -
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Read this
http://www2.eve-online.com/background/eggers/
And this
http://www2.eve-online.com/background/cloning/
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Tricore
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Posted - 2005.08.13 11:18:00 -
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No matter what you DO loose something when you die in eve. Your modules, your ship. Say you buy a battleship for 70 mil, pay 20 for insurance (70 mil payout) and another 20 mil for modules. When you loose that ship you have lost 70+20+20=110 mil with 70 mil payout = 40mil loss.
Clones are really kinda silly as everybody has clones, but I don't see a reason to change it.
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S'ne Aer
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Posted - 2005.08.13 11:44:00 -
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And still, the mind boggleth almost as much as everytime I see posts in this vein.
Younger players of MMOG's (tho I may be mistaken, this geezer might be 50 and living with his mommma), cannot except that there will be certain penalties for certain predicaments!
Firstly, as has been pointed out exhaustively by others in this thread, you can MINIMIZE all forms of penalties and setback in any MMOG, and this for many is a part of the planning, and strategy, that makes the game fun.
Secondly - did it never strike you babes in the woods that a thing is only precious and worth something if it HURTS LOSING IT!!!
This is basic human psychology 101, and is why many players of that goddawful saccharine sugar-rush romp WoW suddenly one day cough and snort their frosted covered noses and realize, "Hey, this ain't so fun after all".
Pain <-> Pleasure
Hate <-> Love
Darkness <-> Light
Go do some basic updating on the psychology of human emotions and basic contrasting principles, while you're at it, train it to V, just in case.
S'ne 
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Caldess
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Posted - 2005.08.15 01:45:00 -
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I think the penalties for death in this game tend to be fair. I personally don't understand how people in WoW get a rush out of PvP. It's penalties are as follows (or at least it's what they were the last time I played):
When you die, you have to start at your choice of spawn points in the major cities, and run back to where you died to resurrect yourself, this does 10% damage to all items you were carrying and you must pay for them to be repaired.
The other option, most likely when you die in enemy territory and resurrection would only bring another swift death, is to resurrect at the spawn point in the city, this does 99% damage to all of your items and carries a moderately heavy repair cost.
Still, these penalties are nothing compared to what you have to pay in Eve, so I can't see how people would get that good ol' adrenaline flowin' when they're about to die.
I guess that's what a lot of kids want nowadays, though, a bunch of action with little or no risk. Explains why my little brother for birthdays/christmas always wants the latest and greatest videogame just so he can get the cheat codes and breeze through it all while it presents no even possible challenge to himself.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.08.15 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT
Im just a little mystified has to why when we get podded we lose sp! The amount of skills this game has to learn it would take a very long time to achieve what your after anyway! Ok so you should buy insurance! But to lose 300000 sp's when podded is a bit extreme. Perhaps im the only one who is thinking along those lines. Why do i always feel like im going backwards with this game your thoughts please.
u lose SP for being stupid enough not to have a clone
its a fair punishment
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Markie
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Posted - 2005.08.16 12:48:00 -
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It's simple, if you don't have a cloan you loose SP, I like it as whrn you pod someone you are taking money away from them so when at war it's less isk they have to fight.
Not a lot granted but hey I am happy with it, and if you get podded when you have no clone you are the only one to blaim!
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.08.16 13:27:00 -
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one thing tho, make a bigger clone. there are players (at least 2 i know of) hu are above the max clone SP numbers. they REALLY don't wanna get PKed atm i reckon
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