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Vince Snetterton
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:10:00 -
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I have been listening to the Zebra Crossings' podcasts, and reading the platforms here in this forum section.
I have yet to hear / see one candidate that says ", yes, I embrace the high sec game, and will fight to maintain it as is, since it needs no tweaking, let alone an overhaul."
Please tell me I am wrong, and such a candidate has declared.
Oh, even though I am positive this thread will be filled with troll posts of acolytes of the high sec griefer running as the "saviour", I will hopefully see a post from someone who can direct me to a high sec candidate. |
Cactusfrankie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:14:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:I have been listening to the Zebra Crossings' podcasts, and reading the platforms here in this forum section.
I have yet to hear / see one candidate that says ", yes, I embrace the high sec game, and will fight to maintain it as is, since it needs no tweaking, let alone an overhaul."
Please tell me I am wrong, and such a candidate has declared.
Oh, even though I am positive this thread will be filled with troll posts of acolytes of the high sec griefer running as the "saviour", I will hopefully see a post from someone who can direct me to a high sec candidate. That's because the sloth of highsec doesn't need any more progress in the direction of low effort, bot-like, solo behavior. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1728
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:16:00 -
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Have you considered that so few people believe there is nothing wrong with hi-sec that any one running on that platform just would not be elected? EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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Cactusfrankie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:35:00 -
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Alternatively, you could run yourself. I'm sure you'll get in no prob since everyone knows highsec has more players right? |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1729
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:38:00 -
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reserved EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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rodyas
tie fighters inc
1058
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:41:00 -
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reserved Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
rodyas
tie fighters inc
1058
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:47:00 -
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You should get Hans to run for hi sec CSM. He doesn't like trolls and that seems what you are worried most about. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Wescro
Sons of Korhall Mining Krispy Kritters Alliance
291
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:57:00 -
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I don't think it's possible to afk-campaign, so you probably won't see that kind of candidate arising anytime soon. What you are describing isn't a "highsec" candidate, it's a status quo candidate. I suppose if you want more of the same you can vote for incumbents like Trebor. If you want to see some sorely-need upgrade of gameplay in high sec you can vote for people who have a track record of providing that in game. James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1657
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Posted - 2013.03.04 07:12:00 -
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"If elected to CSM 8 I will try to persuade CCP that highsec is perfect in every way and that they should make no changes whatsoever."
Good luck with that. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7953
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Posted - 2013.03.04 07:58:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:I have been listening to the Zebra Crossings' podcasts, and reading the platforms here in this forum section.
I have yet to hear / see one candidate that says ", yes, I embrace the high sec game, and will fight to maintain it as is, since it needs no tweaking, let alone an overhaul."
Please tell me I am wrong, and such a candidate has declared.
Oh, even though I am positive this thread will be filled with troll posts of acolytes of the high sec griefer running as the "saviour", I will hopefully see a post from someone who can direct me to a high sec candidate.
I am assuming that you're using the modern definition of troll here; "someone who I can't argue against effectively so I need to dismiss him using labelling".
Have you read this?
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1045
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:02:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:I have yet to hear / see one candidate that says ", yes, I embrace the high sec game, and will fight to maintain it as is, since it needs no tweaking, let alone an overhaul."
Even Xenuria's not that delusional. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
938
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:18:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:I have yet to hear / see one candidate that says ", yes, I embrace the high sec game, and will fight to maintain it as is, since it needs no tweaking, let alone an overhaul." Shockhorror, there's a reason that nobody is running on that platform. You have become the pubbie, Mittani. Yours is the temple whose technetium-clad tables are at risk of being overthrown, whose seats need mixing. You're the one who fears war. -- Sadleric
Vote James 315 for CSM 8! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
1235
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:37:00 -
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(Stealing somebody else's analogy)
By general consensus amongst the scissors, paper is fine but rock must be changed, thus there is no need for any rock candidate to advocate that rock is OK. EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1731
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Posted - 2013.03.04 14:04:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:(Stealing somebody else's analogy)
By general consensus amongst the scissors, paper is fine but rock must be changed, thus there is no need for any rock candidate to advocate that rock is OK. Nice analogy except in this case its rock telling everyone it is fine, and everyone telling rock, no it isn't it has fallen apart and it is now only a pebble, with all the other fragments of the rock telling it it is sick and needs to go to the rock hospital. EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
1235
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Posted - 2013.03.04 14:22:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:(Stealing somebody else's analogy)
By general consensus amongst the scissors, paper is fine but rock must be changed, thus there is no need for any rock candidate to advocate that rock is OK. Nice analogy except in this case its rock telling everyone it is fine, and everyone telling rock, no it isn't it has fallen apart and it is now only a pebble, with all the other fragments of the rock telling it it is sick and needs to go to the rock hospital.
Well, i've spent the last three years reading the forums and so i do know what "hisec needs to change" means in eveforumitic language.
I'll be grateful to stand corrected, but i seriously doubt that people here is asking for more and better missions, better mining, better POS mechanics, more soloable stuff and new endgame casual friendly mechanics -that is, more of what hiseccers do in hisec and adding the kind of content that hisec is missing in order to be a viable long term alternative for those who refuse to move to low/nullsec or engage in combat PvP.
EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
582
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:51:00 -
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Man...even a master wordsmith would have had a hard time creating such an incisive and poignant piece of self-referential irony demonstrating the absolute absurdity of the classical hisec forum warrior position.
I'd almost believe you are some genius fifth columnist troll, but I highly doubt anyone that smart would waste their valuable time and extraordinary talents playing Eve, much less posting on this terrible forum about it. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2138
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:20:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: I have yet to hear / see one candidate that says ", yes, I embrace the high sec game, and will fight to maintain it as is, since it needs no tweaking, let alone an overhaul."
Hiseccers are stupid, but not that stupid
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Vince Snetterton
255
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:29:00 -
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Typical responses from the chattering classes of null sec.
I just listened to the 48 minute state of the nation for test alliance. It is tragic to read all these posts about how high sec is broken and must be nerfed, while also listening as Shadoo says that PL is giving away free dreads and carriers to all its members to replace caps that don't fit the current doctrine. And of course, how test is considering a supercap subsidy program, but upset how the capital sub program was a mess and the 180 people that took advantage of it are not using them, or left the alliance.
Yes, null sec is not making enough ISK and high sec too much.......
If you guys want to spam propaganda, you might want to make sure there are not facts out there that counter what you say.
Bottom line, high sec players have no interest in nerfing null sec, but null sec has an intense interest in nerfing high sec. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2138
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:47:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:
Bottom line, high sec players have no interest in nerfing null sec, but null sec has an intense interest in nerfing high sec.
Hisec players would also nerf hisec, if they had any interest in the game in general. Null is nerfed enough as it is, so it only needs buffing.
(I don't live in either)
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.03.04 20:31:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:You don't play my way, go away!
Freshness, I can smell it from here.
EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
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Cactusfrankie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.03.04 22:03:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Typical responses from the chattering classes of null sec.
I just listened to the 48 minute state of the nation for test alliance. It is tragic to read all these posts about how high sec is broken and must be nerfed, while also listening as Shadoo says that PL is giving away free dreads and carriers to all its members to replace caps that don't fit the current doctrine. And of course, how test is considering a supercap subsidy program, but upset how the capital sub program was a mess and the 180 people that took advantage of it are not using them, or left the alliance.
Yes, null sec is not making enough ISK and high sec too much.......
If you guys want to spam propaganda, you might want to make sure there are not facts out there that counter what you say.
Bottom line, high sec players have no interest in nerfing null sec, but null sec has an intense interest in nerfing high sec. I'm sorry, there's a no cowards clause, you'll need to post from your main, or not be taken seriously. |
Tom JBrokaw
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 22:06:00 -
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what if that is his main? i mean, our researches indicate that he's been in an npc corp for 4+ years and that he's got no presence whatsoever on any killboard anywhere, but maybe he really is as pro-highsec as he sounds, right down to matching the stereotypical profile perfectly. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1735
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Posted - 2013.03.04 22:40:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Typical responses from the chattering classes of null sec.
I just listened to the 48 minute state of the nation for test alliance. It is tragic to read all these posts about how high sec is broken and must be nerfed, while also listening as Shadoo says that PL is giving away free dreads and carriers to all its members to replace caps that don't fit the current doctrine. And of course, how test is considering a supercap subsidy program, but upset how the capital sub program was a mess and the 180 people that took advantage of it are not using them, or left the alliance.
Yes, null sec is not making enough ISK and high sec too much.......
If you guys want to spam propaganda, you might want to make sure there are not facts out there that counter what you say.
Bottom line, high sec players have no interest in nerfing null sec, but null sec has an intense interest in nerfing high sec. So where does that leave me as all of my manufacturing is done in Hi-sec, I have no characters in Null and I wish to see a nerfing of NPC facilities (in broad terms, as I want a price hike)?
To put it bluntly I would like to have a longer path as an industrialist.
Pilots Pve and Pvp have so many paths to chose from and skill for while as an industrialist I can mine via frigate=>cruiser=>Mining barge=>Exhumer or I can be purely manufacturing which is even less skilling and time PE 5=>construction skill=>construction skill=>construction skill.
Kind of flat and frankly boring, I would like to see industry have more depth where owning my own production facilities mattered. Where risking the isk I make Mattered. Where on logging on the things I chose to do above the casual manufacturer mattered.
PvP and PvE have so many paths to chose from in so many ships in the form of subcaps, caps and supers and all the T varieties, in those fields the more you risk the better your odds in industry it is the opposite, it is the less I risk. EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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Ustrello
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2013.03.05 00:52:00 -
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But James 315 is fighting for a better high sec for you |
rodyas
tie fighters inc
1058
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Posted - 2013.03.05 09:35:00 -
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Just do what Time magazine does and choose the AFK Mackinaw as the hi sec representative. Its hold is big enough to carry all its supports to a better pasture. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Ai Shun
897
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Posted - 2013.03.05 09:54:00 -
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That was a good read. Thank you Malcanis.
Malcanis for CSM7 - here Malcanis on High-sec - here |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
829
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:21:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:It is tragic to read all these posts about how high sec is broken and must be nerfed, while also listening as Shadoo says that PL is giving away free dreads and carriers to all its members to replace caps that don't fit the current doctrine. Uncle Shadoo said it so it has to be true!
Sure the HBC is in a propaganda war with the CFC and could really use something to offset the impact GSF's "free carriers for everyone who can fly one" message had on morale...
But PL leadership would never let poltical motives get in the way of bringing the complete and unabridged truth to the peoples of New Eden! TEST alt - don't trust. |
Vince Snetterton
255
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:21:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: So where does that leave me as all of my manufacturing is done in Hi-sec, I have no characters in Null and I wish to see a nerfing of NPC facilities (in broad terms, as I want a price hike)?
To put it bluntly I would like to have a longer path as an industrialist.
Pilots Pve and Pvp have so many paths to chose from and skill for while as an industrialist I can mine via frigate=>cruiser=>Mining barge=>Exhumer or I can be purely manufacturing which is even less skilling and time PE 5=>construction skill=>construction skill=>construction skill.
Kind of flat and frankly boring, I would like to see industry have more depth where owning my own production facilities mattered. Where risking the isk I make Mattered. Where on logging on the things I chose to do above the casual manufacturer mattered.
PvP and PvE have so many paths to chose from in so many ships in the form of subcaps, caps and supers and all the T2 varieties, in those fields the more you risk the better your odds in industry it is the opposite, it is the less I risk.
I grant you that the industrialist skill path could be a tad longer, and the current mfg/invention mechanic is an awful, awful clickfest. I gave up my mfg alts some time ago because I just could not bear any more spreadsheets and an hour of clicking every day, and then the .01 wars.
If I was in charge of CCP development, I would take a more real world view of mfg, and move all heavy industry to high sec. Outside of Russia, the world powers don't make aircraft carriers and nuclear subs in places like Alaska. (And Russia has a heluva good logistics chain to Murmansk by now, plus they have strategic reasons for being able to launch subs straight into the arctic). In the real world, massive ship projects require highly developed infrastructure, the kind that high sec represents in Eve.
You would not be able to actually use any systems on a titan in high sec of course, but you would be able to build them and jump them out of high sec.
Null sec whines about not having the industrial capabilities like high sec. That, of course is ridiculous. An enormous amount of minerals are sucked into supercap mfg, but that gets in the way of the campaign to guy high sec industry. I do completely agree,and I have stated elsewhere that null sec should have easily attainable 100% refine, and player owned stations should have as many mfg/science slots as high sec. But I have also stated elsewhere that will not satisfy the zealots, because that won't be enough to encourage people to replace far more lucrative activities such as belt ratting with clicking through an indy alt. Those slots given to null sec will stay empty.
Unless, of course, CCP grants the null sec cabal its wish and wipes out T2 mfg from high sec, and creates the superveld and superscordite. With a oligopoly on T2 production, like the tech moon goo cartel, they can inflate profits to a huge level, and mining becomes lucrative with these new null sec rocks giving 10 times the yield they do today.
Of course, the flip side of this is that high sec industry is gutted. It is a win-win for the null sec groups, as their chunk of the overall Eve income pie |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1742
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Posted - 2013.03.06 04:54:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Frying Doom wrote: So where does that leave me as all of my manufacturing is done in Hi-sec, I have no characters in Null and I wish to see a nerfing of NPC facilities (in broad terms, as I want a price hike)?
To put it bluntly I would like to have a longer path as an industrialist.
Pilots Pve and Pvp have so many paths to chose from and skill for while as an industrialist I can mine via frigate=>cruiser=>Mining barge=>Exhumer or I can be purely manufacturing which is even less skilling and time PE 5=>construction skill=>construction skill=>construction skill.
Kind of flat and frankly boring, I would like to see industry have more depth where owning my own production facilities mattered. Where risking the isk I make Mattered. Where on logging on the things I chose to do above the casual manufacturer mattered.
PvP and PvE have so many paths to chose from in so many ships in the form of subcaps, caps and supers and all the T2 varieties, in those fields the more you risk the better your odds in industry it is the opposite, it is the less I risk.
I grant you that the industrialist skill path could be a tad longer, and the current mfg/invention mechanic is an awful, awful clickfest. I gave up my mfg alts some time ago because I just could not bear any more spreadsheets and an hour of clicking every day, and then the .01 wars. If I was in charge of CCP development, I would take a more real world view of mfg, and move all heavy industry to high sec. Outside of Russia, the world powers don't make aircraft carriers and nuclear subs in places like Alaska. (And Russia has a heluva good logistics chain to Murmansk by now, plus they have strategic reasons for being able to launch subs straight into the arctic). In the real world, massive ship projects require highly developed infrastructure, the kind that high sec represents in Eve. You would not be able to actually use any systems on a titan in high sec of course, but you would be able to build them and jump them out of high sec. Null sec whines about not having the industrial capabilities like high sec. That, of course is ridiculous. An enormous amount of minerals are sucked into supercap mfg, but that gets in the way of the campaign to guy high sec industry. I do completely agree,and I have stated elsewhere that null sec should have easily attainable 100% refine, and player owned stations should have as many mfg/science slots as high sec. But I have also stated elsewhere that will not satisfy the zealots, because that won't be enough to encourage people to replace far more lucrative activities such as belt ratting with clicking through an indy alt. Those slots given to null sec will stay empty. Unless, of course, CCP grants the null sec cabal its wish and wipes out T2 mfg from high sec, and creates the superveld and superscordite. With a oligopoly on T2 production, like the tech moon goo cartel, they can inflate profits to a huge level, and mining becomes lucrative with these new null sec rocks giving 10 times the yield they do today. Of course, the flip side of this is that high sec industry is gutted. It is a win-win for the null sec groups, as their chunk of the overall Eve income pie The location of manufacturing has more to do with geography than any other feature and also the security and want as well as ability) for the capital out lay.
For example car manufacturers always build close to an ocean (or sea connected to an ocean) for logistics. Some manufacture is done despite security concerns due to the proximity of resources.
Now some manufacture is done at geographically undesirable locations either due to resources or government interference but what all these have in common is the want and ability to buy/build the manufacturing facilities. That is the underlying fact.
You can have the best geography in the world withe the most secure governments but if no one is willing to front the cash then it will not be done.
Now people in EvE want to spend the isk, so why should those with the cash not be able to gain rewards from their capital expenditures?
Why should people who do not own the facilities they use benefit more than those who do?
In this argument there are zealots on both sides with some wanting the destruction of Hi-sec and others wanting no changes at all.
This is a game of all the players of EvE.
As to the minerals used in Supercap production, where do you think they are mined? How many slots do you think super cap production is using?
As to T2 production, No it should not be just for null sec but the argument could easily be made for its removal from NPC stations as it would justify
Reward=Risk*Capital Expenditure. While still not removing a vital part of Industry from any area. EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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progodlegend
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
42
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Posted - 2013.03.06 05:13:00 -
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I'll be the high sec candidate, I lived in high sec for over a year.
questions? |
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