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Alfius Togra
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Posted - 2003.07.22 08:17:00 -
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I am a relativly new member to the Rona corp but last night I found my self in a debate with some of the big 'players' of the corp, events had conspired against us.
One of our members had strayed into pirate space and was confronted by 3 cruisers, they demanded that she hand over 3 million isk or be destroyed, when she didn't they destroyed her ship. I believe that this kind of behavior is unacceptable, I can understand a corp pirate or not demanding that an intruder turn back or be fired on but demanding money is just not on, there were some in Rona who would stand by and let the pirates walk all over the good corps, the argument was that we were a single corp where as the offenders were members of a 10 corp alliance. I know that I would be willing to send my measely Imicus he her destruction against such scum ... would you
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Chris
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Posted - 2003.07.22 08:21:00 -
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This is what pirates do, I don't really see your point.
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glacius
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Posted - 2003.07.22 08:25:00 -
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haha did you just start playing
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.07.22 08:26:00 -
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Pirates do that kind of thing, its one of their ways of making money. 3M isk is a large demand and rather unreasonable for any pirate to demand, I think you are exaggerating things a bit. Anyway my point is, dont travel to 0.0 space unless you are prepared to either pay for safe passage, or fight for safe passage. Tolls of 100k-500k are common.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.22 08:36:00 -
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3 million is not unreasonable. If you're in a decent cruiser. Especially so if you are equipped with rare modules.
I would expect to pay 50%-100% of my ships mineral value.
But then, I've never been asked 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.22 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 22/07/2003 08:51:32
In travel mode I have a Quad LiF and a normal LiF booster for my cruiser. Toss in the Advanced Limos and Malkath Heavy Launchers (loaded with torps and I can use them effectively given a chance) and you're touching, if not crossing, the 3m mark on the trade channel.
In travel mode, I'm normally carrying blueprint copies, which are no big loss since I have the originals. But I also have my Ferrier II Transform targeters, Cross Lateral Gyrostabilizers and all sorts of other goodies for going into fighting mode at my destination. Now before some pirate gets tempted, I don't go everywhere in travel mode, especially not in 0.0 space. And I know to pluck the birdie first  .
Simply put, if someone tosses in 4 250mm Guass or 4 650mm Scouts without any other modules they're WAY past the 3m mark (250s known to go for between 3-7 million a piece on the trade channel). So is it reasonable? Meh, depends on the attitude. 3 pirates with me in combat mode, I'd be very tempted to slug it out (got replacements for all my gear). More than that, they better catch me. They catch me, I got till they hit armor to give my decision 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Artegg
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Posted - 2003.07.22 09:04:00 -
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As one of the members of your corp that told you not to go after them, i will explain myself again. you are wasting your time. The way that pirates work in this game and RL if the going gets tough then they get going, through the nearest jump gate. If not then they waste you. Personally i love a nice bit of Player Pirate hunting it is fun and gets the blood going but very rarely ends up in a kill. As for going at them in your frigate they will laugh at you and pod kill you in about 5 secs. happy hunting
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RazorDreamz
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Posted - 2003.07.22 18:53:00 -
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Suck it up. What do you think pirates in the real world did? Ask nicely for money and let you go if you don't want to pay them? Plz think a little before posting this stuff.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.07.22 19:00:00 -
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So pirates asked you for money and blew you up when you did not pay? which part of this is unacceptable? 
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.22 19:04:00 -
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"... and let the pirates walk all over the good corps ..."
ROFL. Good corps...
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.22 19:57:00 -
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Yeah.
Pirates DO give you an option. Pay or die.
If you can't pay then prepare to run or fight.
Or evemail me for a loan.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.22 21:29:00 -
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...and this is still better then most pirates in real life would put you through.
Pirates more often then not is not to fond of the wittnes part, hence, they kill, and then takes money and stuff that can be sold.
At least your friend had a choice.
If you are afrid of pirates. Dont go in lower then 0.5 systems. its as easy as that. If you are lower, then you risk getting in the hands of the pirates.
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Sonia
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Posted - 2003.07.22 22:04:00 -
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I know of this incident and the player that demanded 3mil for safe passage are not as bad as "moo". they do not pod player. the only thing i didn't agree upon was the fact that if they do not have 3mil, the traveler should have had the option to turn around and go home safely. Gate keeper are they to collect fee for safe passage. if u blow up anymore of Rona corp members without giving them an option to turn around, i will personally go after u and blow u sky high, or at least try . And for the one who did blow up my Rona corp friend, u got what u deserved already so i wont mention any names. i do not wish to fight you... be safe till then
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.22 22:10:00 -
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LOL.
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I believe that this kind of behavior is unacceptable, I can understand a corp pirate or not demanding that an intruder turn back or be fired on but demanding money is just not on
How exactly would you suggest that pirates make money? Mining? They wouldn't be pirates, then, they'd be miners. What would make them pirates? Should they just sit there demanding that people turn around and go back the other way? Do a whole night of that without any income? Kill some guristas arrogaters every few minutes to bankroll the operation?
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3M isk is a large demand and rather unreasonable for any pirate to demand, I think you are exaggerating things a bit.
It's not unusual for us to demand that much. Remember, we're not giving people the option, "pay us or go back the other way." We're saying, "pay us or die." We're not a toll booth, we're armed robbers, and we try to get people to pay as much as they'll be willing and able to--generally about half the market value of their ship+modules, and often some of their cargo. It's cheaper and easier to pay us than it is to replace everything, so the only reason to deny payment is spite.
If you knew how low the traffic is in the areas we toll and how difficult it is to successfully stop many people and get them to open a conversation, you'd understand how extraordinarily horrible our profits would be if we charged petty fees like 100k isk routinely.
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Simply put, if someone tosses in 4 250mm Guass or 4 650mm Scouts without any other modules they're WAY past the 3m mark (250s known to go for between 3-7 million a piece on the trade channel). So is it reasonable?
Precisely. We tried to rob a Moa yesterday with 3 250mm gauss guns and a couple vortex stabilizers, so I demanded 6 mil. He tried to escape by logging out, so we blew him up and now we get more than 6 mil from selling the 2 250mm gauss that survived the explosion.
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3 pirates with me in combat mode, I'd be very tempted to slug it out (got replacements for all my gear).
Can't slug it out when you can't target anyone. :)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.22 22:22:00 -
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Can't slug it out when you can't target anyone. :)
Heh...IF I was vising a location where you're known to hang out, you don't think I'd look into removing that little obstacle?
Locking me in place with multiple statis webifiers? Come on, I'm a Minmatar. Do my job for me!
Warp scrambling me? If I plan to slug it out, I'm prolly not going to look to run before taking at least one of the attackers. After that, you'll just have to guess what my 'pirate' setup is. But I will tell you it's all expendable. If I can take 1 ship and limp away, I'm happy. If I can take one ship and lose mine, I'm happy (well not quite happy but close enough). With 3 on 1 odds, it is possible for me to find happiness
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.22 23:04:00 -
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If I can take one ship and lose mine, I'm happy (well not quite happy but close enough). With 3 on 1 odds, it is possible for me to find happiness
Heh. Nobody solo can take on 3 standard Space Invaders ships and kill 1. You won't be able to target us, period. :) You'll think you've got countermeasures, but you don't.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.22 23:15:00 -
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Heh. Nobody solo can take on 3 standard Space Invaders ships and kill 1. You won't be able to target us, period. :) You'll think you've got countermeasures, but you don't.
Mayhap. But it'd still might be a gas to try 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.22 23:26:00 -
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/me gets out the ruler
I'm still not sure which of you urinated the highest.
Let's call it a draw and move on.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Bambooza
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Posted - 2003.07.22 23:34:00 -
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Always enjoyable to try, that and leaving messages to future self clones.
Like all other aspects of this game pirates continue to grow and diversify. I remember when the game launched there was no pay or die no conversations no roll playing nothing. A lot of the pirates seemed mute for the most part and where simply there to kill or be killed.
In the end, in my option of course, your corp is handing the matter in what they feel is their best intrest while you seem vocal in a matter that apears beyond your control. Maybe in time you will become a punisher of sorts or get ****ed off with the freedom the game represents and leave for a more controled enviroment. To each their own, as for me I mine common ore.
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Lysithea
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Posted - 2003.07.22 23:39:00 -
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Molly, didn't you quit 3 or 4 times already? You're like the pesky furniture shop that has a going out of business sale every 6 months.
Are you in or are you out?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.22 23:45:00 -
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/me gets out the ruler
I'm still not sure which of you urinated the highest.
Let's call it a draw and move on.
Sorry..now he's got me all tempted. Must admit my skills aren't exactly where I'd like for a full slug match. But it is soooo tempting 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.23 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 23/07/2003 00:08:51
"So pirates asked you for money and blew you up when you did not pay? which part of this is unacceptable?"
'They asked' part. What sort of self-respecting pirate actually asks for the money? They should curse and scream and have their parrot squawk the demands instead.... ;s
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Thalen Mort
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Posted - 2003.07.23 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Thalen Mort on 23/07/2003 00:46:13
Edited by: Thalen Mort on 23/07/2003 00:45:25
Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Clause....er...wrong topic....
Yes Pirates are a nasty and socially unacceptable lot in general. But look at our society and is it any different?
I think player pirates add a bit of excitement to the game otherwise lacking content. If I travel through 0.0 space I accept the risk that I may run into one of the many pirate corps in the game.
An I also agree no matter what weapons you have on board if you are flying solo and they manage to stop you before you can mwd to the jump you will not be able to target them so fighting is not an option.
Basically there are 3 options available.
1. stay out of pirate infested areas
2. If you do travel do not travel alone.
3. Bring isk in case you do get caught
I have personally enjoyed the pirate corps in the game in general. They are fun to hunt and add excitement to a game that would be much duller and less enriching without their presence.
Complaining about them will do nothing to help the current epidemic of pirates. If they are that bothersome to you, train your skills, get a good ship and join in a pirate hunt.
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Seer
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Posted - 2003.07.23 06:00:00 -
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Alfius - this is coming from someone who normally sides with the aggrived.....
You dont have a leg to stand on im afraid.
Thats life in 0.0 - as soon as you enter even below 0.4 systems you choose to take the risk
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.07.23 06:05:00 -
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Hmm the nice pirate corps ask for money, so consider yourself lucky they even demanded money. If they came to a m0o blockade, we kill on sight. Alot easier I think, don't have to type alot, don't have to worry if someone in your corp has a itchy trigger finger "the reverend". Just kill and loot.
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.23 08:02:00 -
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I have it, if you don't have the money, why not ask the pirate for a loan and then an escort to the nearest non-pirate Sector?
Maybe they should all wear cuddly teddy bear suits and sing songs for you as you leave.
God, I think I'm going to be sick.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.23 11:08:00 -
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Jash,
Perhaps we need to see you and Setec fight it out on the test server :)
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2003.07.23 11:24:00 -
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We sould all join together and kill all pirates around... PIRACY is bad. NOW days there are not pirates beacause the navy kill them all...
IF we kill them we kill them we kill them they will not play... only corp war and player 1vs1 sould be alowed. KILL THEM ALL
ps: im not a noob i play since beta 5
PVP is fun. NOT 10 vs 1
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Faramir
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Posted - 2003.07.23 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Faramir on 23/07/2003 11:37:35
I just did a 16 jump detour yesterday Think my gallente shuttle wouldn't have been able to handle 2 battleships... i refuse to pay to go through blockades :P
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.07.23 13:48:00 -
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We sould all join together and kill all pirates around... PIRACY is bad. NOW days there are not pirates beacause the navy kill them all...
You do know that piracy still goes on today, right?
"A total of 202 incidents were reported in 1998. The majority of these attacks were violent. At
least 79 persons have been killed and 35 injured during piracy and armed robbery attacks
worldwide during 1998. Other figures show that 238 crewmembers were taken hostage. In 45
incidents the pirates were carrying guns and in 39 they possessed knives. In 138 reports the
vessels were boarded and in 11 cases the ship was fired upon. There were 15 instances of
hijackings."
Piracy still exists in regions such as the Far East and South East Asia, South America, and West Africa.
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