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Jonathan Briggs
ANOMALIES AND CURIOSITIES
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:50:00 -
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I love the empire, but why are we still fighting the minmatar and the Gallente? if the Gallente, simply give back Caldari Prime to it's rightful owners, we can stop that part of the war, and once those space monkeys in flying trash heaps, come back home where they belong, life will be good again. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1082
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:06:00 -
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We are not involved in any direct conflicts with the Gallente. It's more of a cold-war at worst. Trade agreements, small ones at least, do exist. As for the Republic... we have not sought out a direct conflict with the Republic since it's inception. It has always been a case of them attacking us, and will likely continue that way forever. And they resent it when we call them savages. Irony. EvE Forum Bingo |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
688
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:13:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:As for the Republic... we have not sought out a direct conflict with the Republic since it's inception. It has always been a case of them attacking us, and will likely continue that way forever. And they resent it when we call them savages. Irony.
Funny, I seem to recall the term 'savages' being used indiscriminately of Republicans and the Minmatar who do not attack your people alike.
Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
317
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:15:00 -
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Actually, captain Luftschreck, we are at war with the Gallente just the same as we are in war with the Minmatarr, due to our alliance with the Caldari.
As for your original question, captain Briggs, if those things happened we could indeed no longer be at war... but they haven't happened yet. So we still follow the call of the Empress and fight the enemy. It'll be a happy day when war finished, but until then, duty is clear. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1082
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:31:00 -
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Are you familiar with the Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement that we signed with them over a 130 years ago?
We are not at war with the Gallente Federation, though sometimes they need to be reminded of that. Our relationship with them is the same temperature as the State's is with the Republic. Our alliance with the State is a point of contention with the Federation, but it nowhere near the level of open hostility that the State and the Federation have with each other. Again, a similar relationship exists between the State and the Republic. The Republic resents that we are allies, but the State is still only 2nd on their list of people to exterminate, and they can't fight everyone at once.
The fact that there is legal trade between the Empire and the Federation is part of our interest in seeing them come to a peaceful resolution with the State. If they can stop fighting each other then there would be no reason not to further increase trade & relations with the Federation. EvE Forum Bingo |
Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:20:00 -
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The Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement was signed shortly after first contact between the Empire and the Federation and consequently before the start of any hostilities and before the alliance formed between the Republic and the Federation.
While the Trade Agreement remains valid it does not invalidate the existence of a state of war between the Empire and the Federation. The Federation and Empire are actively engaged in hostile action toward one another and while the Federation remains allied with the Republic and the Republic remains at war with the Empire, we will continue to be in a state of war with the Federation. |
Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:58:00 -
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Jonathan Briggs wrote:[...] and once those space monkeys in flying trash heaps, come back home where they belong, life will be good again.
Condescending names and derogatory references are not a productive way to promote cessation of hostility. |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
211
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:10:00 -
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Flying trashheap best trashheap.. If you Amarr started working instead of being useless lazy bastards you wouldn't need us minmatar to do the work and we wouldn't have to kill you.
Untill then please keep dying to my trash. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
726
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:02:00 -
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Luftschreck, what does it feel like to be an idiot? |
Jonathan Briggs
ANOMALIES AND CURIOSITIES
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:47:00 -
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Sylux Raynes wrote:Jonathan Briggs wrote:[...] and once those space monkeys in flying trash heaps, come back home where they belong, life will be good again. Condescending names and derogatory references are not a productive way to promote cessation of hostility.
cessation of hostility is not my true goal, my true goal is to get my butler and maid back to where they belong. |
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Jonathan Briggs
ANOMALIES AND CURIOSITIES
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:48:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Flying trashheap best trashheap.. .
to be fair, I do kinda favor the looks of you people's ships |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
688
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:06:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Luftschreck, what does it feel like to be an idiot?
I feel as if every Minmatar who browses the IGS just released a sigh of relief after having held their tongues for so long. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
524
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:35:00 -
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Actually I don't mind that Luftschreck keeps opening her mouth. Every time she does she shows how ignorant, biased and self-hating she is. After a while no one will pay any attention to her rantings whatsoever.
Several Amarrians have told her to shut up because she's just making a fool of herself. Maybe she'll listen to them since she apparently enjoys taking orders from her masters. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:43:00 -
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Luftschreck's rampant idiocy is something we can all, Matari and Amarr alike, agree on.
Perhaps a fundamental truth around which a great peace will one day be achieved.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1241
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:20:00 -
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Halete wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:As for the Republic... we have not sought out a direct conflict with the Republic since it's inception. It has always been a case of them attacking us, and will likely continue that way forever. And they resent it when we call them savages. Irony. Funny, I seem to recall the term 'savages' being used indiscriminately of Republicans and the Minmatar who do not attack your people alike.
No, they just tear up century-old treaties and launch surprise attacks with their covertly-assembled fleets. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2172
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:26:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:No, they just tear up century-old treaties and launch surprise attacks with their covertly-assembled fleets. Kind of like your allies. Mane 614
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Halete
Alexylva Paradox
695
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:21:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: No, they just tear up century-old treaties and launch surprise attacks with their covertly-assembled fleets.
Do you just pretend that you read our posts and respond to what you wish to hear?
Edit: Since you've clearly been paying no ******* attention to anything I've said over the last year, I'm as resentful of those acts as you are. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:25:00 -
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As soon as I can capture Gallente territory for the Empire I'll be tempted to call it a war. Until then, I'll consider then current state of conflict as nothing more than limited border skirmishes. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
322
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:30:00 -
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Merdaneth wrote:As soon as I can capture Gallente territory for the Empire I'll be tempted to call it a war. Until then, I'll consider then current state of conflict as nothing more than limited border skirmishes.
I must disagree on this, captain Merdaneth. They appear as wartargets on our huds, and we could organize raids to take their claimed space in their frontlines against the Caldari. That's as much of a war as the one we have with the Republic. Sure, it's a limited and bound by rules one... but still a war. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Rataru Akushara
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:24:00 -
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Amarr is both at War with the Federation and Republic, While our focus leans more towards our fight with the Minmitar and vice versa, the Gallente and Caldari primarily focus on each other as well. This might make some feel as if the current war is two separate wars un-related but make no mistake, this is not the case. Those fighting in the wars know their enemies and their enemies know them. Federation Militia will not be welcomed nor ignored in Amarr space by the by the Amarr Militia Pilots. |
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Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.06 02:24:00 -
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Jonathan Briggs wrote:If the Gallente, simply give back Caldari Prime to it's rightful owners, we can stop that part of the war, and once those space monkeys in flying trash heaps, come back home where they belong, life will be good again.
If the Caldari simply stop letting a dictator rule their lives we can stop part of the war, and once you senile elderly men in fat flying vultures stop claiming racial superiority while being unable to do anything yourself, life will be good again. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
610
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Posted - 2013.03.06 02:50:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Jonathan Briggs wrote:If the Gallente, simply give back Caldari Prime to it's rightful owners, we can stop that part of the war, and once those space monkeys in flying trash heaps, come back home where they belong, life will be good again. If the Caldari simply stop letting a dictator rule their lives we can stop part of the war, and once you senile elderly men in fat flying vultures stop claiming racial superiority while being unable to do anything yourself, life will be good again.
Sir;
If you take issue with our being led by dictate, how would you suggest we organize ourselves? |
Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.06 03:33:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote: If the Caldari simply stop letting a dictator rule their lives we can stop part of the war, and once you senile elderly men in fat flying vultures stop claiming racial superiority while being unable to do anything yourself, life will be good again.
Sylux Raynes wrote:Condescending names and derogatory references are not a productive way to promote cessation of hostility.
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Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
501
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Posted - 2013.03.06 04:04:00 -
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Scherezad wrote: Sir;
If you take issue with our being led by dictate, how would you suggest we organize ourselves?
I always thought the Gallente system of checks and balances could easily be applied to your corporate rule with some slight adjustments. It's not necessarily the concept of a dictator I have trouble with, just the fact that he can do whatever good, or in Heth's case, whatever malice he wants to do.
There should be a peaceful procedure where the people of the State, from factory workers all the way up to CEOs can propose having the current dictator peacefully removed from power.
Sylux Raynes wrote:Condescending names and derogatory references are not a productive way to promote cessation of hostility.
I agree. What I stated was to show how ludicrous Mr. Briggs statements were and that such ad hominim could be easily redirected unto himself. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Corporation
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Posted - 2013.03.06 04:14:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote: I always thought the Gallente system of checks and balances could easily be applied to your corporate rule with some slight adjustments. It's not necessarily the concept of a dictator I have trouble with, just the fact that he can do whatever good, or in Heth's case, whatever malice he wants to do.
We have the Business Tribunal for that, or at least in a sense. The Caldari State isn't a government in the way the Federation is and this centralization of power ushered in by Heth is something that's relatively foreign. The State has never had a 'dictator' until Heth.
Fredfredbug4 wrote: There should be a peaceful procedure where the people of the State, from factory workers all the way up to CEOs can propose having the current dictator peacefully removed from power.
There is a system for that called ESOP [Employee Stock Ownership Program], though its not wide spread throughout the Megas. The basic principal is that every employee is awarded stock options within the corporation ensuring they each have a vote in corporate matter to at least some degree, though programs usually differ from corporation to corporation. The Sengokuvaa Corporation for instance operates with a percent vested system that grows with years of service as well as merit.
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Johlie
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.03.06 06:29:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:
If the Caldari simply stop letting a dictator rule their lives we can stop part of the war, and once you senile elderly men in fat flying vultures stop claiming racial superiority while being unable to do anything yourself, life will be good again.
What a grand plan! All we need to do is get rid of Heth. Then centuries of animosity will just vanish. |
JonasBlackhand
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.06 08:02:00 -
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It will take long term occupation of Matar before the savages will realize the promise and value of the Amarrian Ideals, do not expect barbarians to understand the values of peace or justice. |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
697
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Posted - 2013.03.06 08:44:00 -
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JonasBlackhand wrote:It will take long term occupation of Matar before the savages will realize the promise and value of the Amarrian Ideals, do not expect barbarians to understand the values of peace or justice.
You know, you would believe that the progress we've made in under a century after nearly a millennium of suppression of our culture, philosophical values and opportunities to advance technologically, and despite crippling shortages in materials would prove to be some indicator that we are not barbarians. Or, indeed, the fact that I am able to communicate with you now without resorting to unfounded name calling.
Why?
Why do you people harbor so much hatred?
Your mission should be one of unyielding compassion, not... this.
I am sorrowful for the decisions made by my kindred. I regret that my brothers did not honor the Treaty between our people. I try to guide my ilk along the right path.
Your kind make my case very difficult. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Aethion Mirra
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
34
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Posted - 2013.03.06 09:29:00 -
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One time the Amarr will rule the galaxy and we shall have peace. Aethion Mirra Commander and Recruitment Officer,-áPIE Inc.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1083
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Posted - 2013.03.06 09:40:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Luftschreck, what does it feel like to be an idiot?
If I wanted to experience that point of view I'd simply read your autobiography.
JonasBlackhand wrote:It will take long term occupation of Matar before the savages will realize the promise and value of the Amarrian Ideals, do not expect barbarians to understand the values of peace or justice.
I agree with your second point but not the first. We already occupied Matar for centuries and it did exactly no good. If they haven't changed by now then they never will. I'd be perfectly content with letting them go do whatever makes them happy for all eternity if only they didn't define happiness as constantly breaking treaties, sending fleets & terrorists into our space and the wholesale slaughtering our people at every opportunity.
Merdaneth wrote:As soon as I can capture Gallente territory for the Empire I'll be tempted to call it a war. Until then, I'll consider then current state of conflict as nothing more than limited border skirmishes.
Thank you. My point exactly.
Unless someone is involved in that farce of a prxoy-war that CONCORD has sanctioned in the badlands then any Gallente or Amarr pilot crossing each others' borders will get nothing more than a slightly raised eyebrow, nothing more. They might check your cargo manifest a little more closely, but the act itself is hardly illegal or scandalous. Some may not even give a crap enough to do that, even.
Likewise, there is no shortage of materials flowing between Caldari & Minmatar space. They may not like that the State are our allies, but they'd be crazy to turn down high quality Caldari goods over it.
It would take a serious fanatical nutjob to shoot at a freighter hauling quafe into the Empire or a load of Ishukone nanotech parts into the Republic. Not saying that people like that don't exist, but hey that's what the badlands war is for, right? Gives them something to do without screwing up the peace efforts of the majority.
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