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La5eR
Paxton Industries
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:12:00 -
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So.... I have no idea what is up with CCP and their logic when it comes to such things. But, drone boats are drone boats and should not just be "10% damage and hitpoint increase per level to drones"
It SHOULD read
"10% increase to drone EFFECT and hitpoints per level"
If you want a full flight of Large webber drones, ecm drones, etc.... that BS/Cruiser/BC/Dessie level I, II, III, IV, V is pretty much useless unless you are tackling a smart bombing target.
So, how about it folks?
IT SHOULD ONLY affect DRONE boats to make it not imba.
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Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:30:00 -
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+1 |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:31:00 -
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ECM drones will be op if that happened. |
Knorkor
Spartan Advanced Mining
Infinite Aggression
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:39:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:ECM drones will be op if that happened.
The specific amounts are up to CCP, but I would really like this.
It would give drone pilots a reason to be able to use all EWar Drones. |
Belthazor4011
Battle BV
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:47:00 -
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Works for me :) |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:00:00 -
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Yes please, one of my long time wishes. It just makes no sense that a drone ship gives up half of it's dps to use other drones, but the other drones are just as good on every ship that has a complimentary drone bay and still does full dps.
About ECM drones- halve their current strength so this change wouldn't make them retardedly OP. As a side bonus they wouldn't be so stupid on all ships as they are now :)
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Dracvlad
Saints Among Sinners
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:28:00 -
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Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:30:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit?
anyone can use ecm drones. |
Belthazor4011
Battle BV
119
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:35:00 -
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Roime wrote:Yes please, one of my long time wishes. It just makes no sense that a drone ship gives up half of it's dps to use other drones, but the other drones are just as good on every ship that has a complimentary drone bay and still does full dps.
About ECM drones- halve their current strength so this change wouldn't make them retardedly OP. As a side bonus they wouldn't be so stupid on all ships as they are now :)
Yeah this can be a solution to the ECM drone problem as well |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:53:00 -
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Why not. So far most of utility drones can be situationally shoehorned into "poor man's replacement of something" role at very best.
Although it's better to keep track on effects of different drones separately if needed. |
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:01:00 -
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Remove insurance. |
Dracvlad
Saints Among Sinners
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:14:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? anyone can use ecm drones.
But he is suggesting a specific bonus for Gallente ships to run Caldari drones at a higher jamming level then the Caldari effectively! |
Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:03:00 -
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I would stand behind this. Maybe implement this along with an update to the drone UI. |
Hulasikaly Wada
G.P.S. Global Private Security Agency
18
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Posted - 2013.03.08 07:16:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? anyone can use ecm drones. But he is suggesting a specific bonus for Gallente ships to run Caldari drones at a higher jamming level then the Caldari effectively!
True, but everyone still able to use ECM drones, and the drone bonus is not a pure gallenet thing ( see amar recon )
IMO is better something racial related about ships and drones , like add a secondary E_WAR bonus on specific drones for each race, examples:
Amar ships get % extra strengh of TD drone's effect
Caldari to EC one
Minmatar % to TP kind
and Gallente extra % to SD
( will be carefull about the large energy neutralizing ones , if they can insta look a small target in range )
ATM some kind of drones are just a waste of Mbits, need a rebalance on base strenghs to make all viable, truely usefull and no overpowered
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culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.03.08 07:43:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? anyone can use ecm drones. But he is suggesting a specific bonus for Gallente ships to run Caldari drones at a higher jamming level then the Caldari effectively!
Oh yes it's only gallente boats that got drone bonuses, definently. No such thing as a pirate BS from Caldari. What's a Rattlesnake? |
Mike Whiite
Cupid Stunts.
Casoff
154
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Posted - 2013.03.08 08:18:00 -
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While we're at it turn all specific damage types of Projectile and missiles ships to an overall damage as well.
Don't think that is an option, there could be an option for a support carrier though giving bonuses on e-war and or other drones.
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Dracvlad
Saints Among Sinners
Executive Outcomes
60
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:22:00 -
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culo duro wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? anyone can use ecm drones. But he is suggesting a specific bonus for Gallente ships to run Caldari drones at a higher jamming level then the Caldari effectively! Oh yes it's only gallente boats that got drone bonuses, definently. No such thing as a pirate BS from Caldari. What's a Rattlesnake?
I did not think of the Rattlesnake when I made that point, though its not Caldari, its a pirate BS. I am not a fan of ECM drones to be honest, and I do admit that one part of me does like this idea, but its giving boosts to specialisations outside of the Gallente race, which I doubt will happen. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1035
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:57:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? anyone can use ecm drones. But he is suggesting a specific bonus for Gallente ships to run Caldari drones at a higher jamming level then the Caldari effectively!
This just in: Gallente drone boats also seem to have the magic ability to get more out of Hornets, Vespas, and Wasps. To say nothing of Warriors, Valkyries, and Berserkers. I'd add in Acolytes, Infiltrators, and Praetors but... lol?
There are perfectly good reasons to think this is a bad idea (and some reasons to think it's a good one as well) but this isn't one of them.... |
Dracvlad
Saints Among Sinners
Executive Outcomes
60
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:07:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? anyone can use ecm drones. But he is suggesting a specific bonus for Gallente ships to run Caldari drones at a higher jamming level then the Caldari effectively! This just in: Gallente drone boats also seem to have the magic ability to get more out of Hornets, Vespas, and Wasps. To say nothing of Warriors, Valkyries, and Berserkers. I'd add in Acolytes, Infiltrators, and Praetors but... lol? There are perfectly good reasons to think this is a bad idea (and some reasons to think it's a good one as well) but this isn't one of them....
So you're saying its the same as racial electronic warfare specialisations? |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1035
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:12:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? anyone can use ecm drones. But he is suggesting a specific bonus for Gallente ships to run Caldari drones at a higher jamming level then the Caldari effectively! This just in: Gallente drone boats also seem to have the magic ability to get more out of Hornets, Vespas, and Wasps. To say nothing of Warriors, Valkyries, and Berserkers. I'd add in Acolytes, Infiltrators, and Praetors but... lol? There are perfectly good reasons to think this is a bad idea (and some reasons to think it's a good one as well) but this isn't one of them.... So you're saying its the same as racial electronic warfare specialisations?
I'm saying that the direct parallel is comparing racial drone specializations, yes. I'm perfectly comfortable arguing about the idea that drone-bonused ships (Gallente or otherwise) should have bonuses to all drones regardless of their specific effects, even of those effects are normally associated with a race that doesn't normally use drones. |
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Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:23:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:culo duro wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? anyone can use ecm drones. But he is suggesting a specific bonus for Gallente ships to run Caldari drones at a higher jamming level then the Caldari effectively! Oh yes it's only gallente boats that got drone bonuses, definently. No such thing as a pirate BS from Caldari. What's a Rattlesnake? I did not think of the Rattlesnake when I made that point, though its not Caldari, its a pirate BS. I am not a fan of ECM drones to be honest, and I do admit that one part of me does like this idea, but its giving boosts to specialisations outside of the Gallente race, which I doubt will happen.
*facepalm* you mean like caldari systems getting boosts to non kinetic missiles and racial combat drones getting a damage boost on gallente drone boats? |
Dracvlad
Saints Among Sinners
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:27:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:
anyone can use ecm drones.
But he is suggesting a specific bonus for Gallente ships to run Caldari drones at a higher jamming level then the Caldari effectively! This just in: Gallente drone boats also seem to have the magic ability to get more out of Hornets, Vespas, and Wasps. To say nothing of Warriors, Valkyries, and Berserkers. I'd add in Acolytes, Infiltrators, and Praetors but... lol? There are perfectly good reasons to think this is a bad idea (and some reasons to think it's a good one as well) but this isn't one of them.... So you're saying its the same as racial electronic warfare specialisations? I'm saying that the direct parallel is comparing racial drone specializations, yes. I'm perfectly comfortable arguing about the idea that drone-bonused ships (Gallente or otherwise) should have bonuses to all drones regardless of their specific effects, even of those effects are normally associated with a race that doesn't normally use drones.
I can see where you are coming from, I was thinking along the lines of the damage bonus being the interface is better at controlling the drones so making them able to apply more damage, better attack runs, I guess that you could say the same for enabling the electronic warfare drones to better apply their effects, but where I fall down is that damage is made up of more factors which are affected by better handling, which the improved drone interface gives, but this does not in my opinion affect the electronic warfare bonuses. Sorry I still disagree. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
401
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Posted - 2013.03.08 18:34:00 -
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Roime wrote:Yes please, one of my long time wishes. It just makes no sense that a drone ship gives up half of it's dps to use other drones, but the other drones are just as good on every ship that has a complimentary drone bay and still does full dps.
About ECM drones- halve their current strength so this change wouldn't make them retardedly OP. As a side bonus they wouldn't be so stupid on all ships as they are now :)
How about change them to 2/3. 1.5 = 3/2
3/2*2/3 = 1
In other words, ECM drones retain the same effectiveness on drone boats, but are nerfed for all other boats.
Meanwhile, webber, TP, etc drones are buffed on drone boats
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:46:00 -
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well then ecm drones wouldnt be worth using unless you're in a droneboat, though I support the idea I doubt you will get much love from people who use them religiously. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
401
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Posted - 2013.03.09 00:16:00 -
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Well, with so many people asking for a ECM drone nerf... I think it would get support from them... if all non drone boat ECM drones got nerfed....
Of course, you could tweak the numbers, say reduce ECM drone jam strength to 3/4 its current value, so the nerf isn't as strong, and the drone boats ECM drones now jam with 9/8 x their previous strength.
FWIW, I think this should apply to drone interfacing skill too, but perhaps with smaller or non linear increases for ECM.
It used to be you could launch 10 drones, now its 5 doing the damage of 10... but with the Ewar drones... well that was a huge nerf to them, because launching one meant effectively taking 2 of the old combat drones out of action.
The ewar drone increases should be smaller or non linear.
2 drones jamming are less effective than 1 drone with 2x the jam strength.
It would be plainly obvious in the case of a hypothetical web drone with a -50% speed effect. 2 of them (assume no stacking penalties, it gets worse including them) would reduce speed by 75%. If you instead had 1 drone with double the effect, you'd have a web that completely immobilizes the target, - 100%
Of course, CCP often overlooks these nuances, especially with ROF vs damage mods, and its why faction missile launchers out DPS T2 launchers (at least using standard/faction ammo), while this is not the case with any turret type, because with meta the turret damage goes up, while missile cycle time goes down. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2013.03.09 00:48:00 -
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it would need a total rework though. ECM drones are too easy to kill for a start since there's no tech 2 versions and they're far too easy to apply since you can keep them on someone as long as you're on grid. |
La5eR
Paxton Industries
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:04:00 -
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Good replies guys, lets see if we can get this prioritized or at least at the minimum. On CCP's dir scan. Good point on the ECM drones. They do have universal strength on them. So instead of giving a boost to their universal strength they would apply the races jamming strength instead of boosting their entire spectrum? |
Auduin Samson
Do not disturb
Sanctuary Pact
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 02:27:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1099
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:12:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:ECM drones will be op if that happened.
ECM multispectral jammer I is 2.0 strength of general ECM.
Half the Caldari line-up gives ECM bonuses of 15% per level or greater.
ECM boosting modules exist.
Racial specific modules exist.
T2 versions.
ECM drone is 1.5 strength of general ECM.
No ships give any ECM bonus to ECM drones.
No ECM boosting modules effect ECM drones.
Racial specific ECM drones do not exist (no radar, magno, etc - just basic Caldari drone with multispectral ECM)
No T2 versions.
So at what point does adding 10% per level to ECM drones make them OP?
EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
350
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:41:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Aren't ECM drones Caldari? Does it really fit? anyone can use ecm drones.
Any ship can fit any module. Doesn't mean it's all bonused. |
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