I have come across some freaking arab rich carebears recently...

Gas isn't hugely profitable, especially when compared to combat opportunities. Mostly we drain ladar sites only when there is literally nothing else to do.

As an example, the best Ladar site in a C4 is a Vast.

5000 C32
1000 C28

at current Jita sell it works out to:


70mil worth of C32
6mil worth of C28

That sounds good. Except C32 is 5m3 so using a max Venture, it will take 156min to drain the C32. or 26mil per hour.

Thanks for the example Derath, you are far and away most helpful person in these forums.

Does the value increase dramatically if you put the gas towards producing T3 items? I don't want to take time away from pvp (when available) or running sites (when available) but would like to find what little things I can do (besides PI) to increase revenue so I can lose more ships while learning the ropes.

your main problem would be the lack of the higher end gas i suppose. those can only be found in c5/6 space. and yea, they are worth a lot :)

I have come across some freaking arab rich carebears recently in our static c4 and all of them have a large manufacturing program running. Yesterday I came across a C4 with 5 carriers just sitting in a POS...in a C4. If you missed that...5 carriers in a C4. They are clearly flexing their swag just to do it.

I looked into mining and gas farming (ugh) and it doesn't look like its THAT profitable compared to running sites in our c4 static. We can't always run sites in our static (we dont have the muscle to roll our static any time we want) but the flip side is we wouldn't be able to always mine/gas either.

Here are my questions from some of you in the know:
1) What is involved to utilize the gas and rocks in our system into something worth my time as someone who prefers to shoot stuff. Do we need to have a full manufacturing chain or is selling the raw materials just as profitable? If we are making T3 production parts, how often and what is needed to take it to market? We are in a C4 static C4 so it's not a direct path.

2) What would it take to make a billion ISK in a month from the rocks/gas/manufacturing?

3) We have a large POS with most of our grid/cpu used for defenses + ship array and 2 component arrays. Would we need an additional POS just for the industrial arm?

Any feedback is very much appreciated. Thanks

It's not so much the raw gas itself, but what you can react it into that adds value to it.

I'm not terribly familiar with the industry side of W-space, but I think it takes two of the gas types found in ladars. And then you react them together. That's where the money is.

They're probably huffing ladars and running reactions. Possibly building and then exporting caps to sell. Although that would be a pain in the ass to haul in all the trit you would need to do that. And I don't see W-space grav sites supporting that kind of production to make it worthwhile. Unless they had a fleet of Venture Smurfs sucking every grav site dry in their chain.

My theory is that they are trying to look prickly, and not doing a good job of it.

Meh,

It's still all relative. That gas is huge. So using the same venture harvesting rate and current jita sell prices you are looking at maybe about 50mil per hour for C540.

Meh,

It's still all relative. That gas is huge. So using the same venture harvesting rate and current jita sell prices you are looking at maybe about 50mil per hour for C540.

I have come across some freaking arab rich carebears recently in our static c4 and all of them have a large manufacturing program running. Yesterday I came across a C4 with 5 carriers just sitting in a POS...in a C4. If you missed that...5 carriers in a C4. They are clearly flexing their swag just to do it.

I looked into mining and gas farming (ugh) and it doesn't look like its THAT profitable compared to running sites in our c4 static. We can't always run sites in our static (we dont have the muscle to roll our static any time we want) but the flip side is we wouldn't be able to always mine/gas either.

Here are my questions from some of you in the know:
1) What is involved to utilize the gas and rocks in our system into something worth my time as someone who prefers to shoot stuff. Do we need to have a full manufacturing chain or is selling the raw materials just as profitable? If we are making T3 production parts, how often and what is needed to take it to market? We are in a C4 static C4 so it's not a direct path.

2) What would it take to make a billion ISK in a month from the rocks/gas/manufacturing?

3) We have a large POS with most of our grid/cpu used for defenses + ship array and 2 component arrays. Would we need an additional POS just for the industrial arm?

Any feedback is very much appreciated. Thanks

Eh, I'm gonna disagree with the general consensus with regard to gas.

If you're using a venture, it's the closest thing to "no risk isk" you will get in a wormhole. C50, C32, and C72 show up in the lowest of spawns, and you can make a pretty nice isk/hr.

Yeah, each site doesn't hold much isk, but the amount of isk you get per m3 is pretty insane. So over time, it adds up. I live in a C4 with a static C2, and I have 60K m3 worth of gas in my section, which is worth about 200 mil. For two itty trips to high sec, and as a solo pilot, that's pretty awesome money.

People overlook them because of the low amount of isk in each site, but for the very small time and risk investment, gas harvesting is one of the best things to do IMO. I have a lot of combat skills and can easily solo the sites in my C2 static, but I always jump on the gas first. Easy isk, amazing isk/m3, and barely any risk....in Eve.....in wormhole space....

You can clean out most sites in an hour, you're virtually ungankable by a single ship, and it has an ore hold that can clean entire sites save C32.

If there's one thing you can snipe in WH's without much risk, it's gas.

For anyone who isn't making loads of isk with friends in a C4 or higher, gas is the greatest thing for a solo pilot.

those guys must have had a C5 static. No way are they mining and refining enough to build 5 carriers and running a manufacturing base with out some sort of way to jump stuff in. C4 > c5> LS cyno.

Its also possible if they do have a c5 static that they are in fact doing cap escalations. Use the c4 as a subcaps staging area then bringing in caps from c5 kspace connection. I'd imagine it's a pita but its better than living in a c5 & having to deal with dreads..