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Arcas Kett
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Posted - 2005.08.15 01:40:00 -
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not goin to start a flame but really its just if BIG are what there title says the BIGgest retailer in eve why is it naga are so damned cheap on nearly all products and NAGA has more items\products availible?
ok check the prices for yourselves.
Big
Naga
Come on BIG you know naga are king of eve when it comes to the EVE market.
Naga 4tw \o/
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Kwisat Haderach
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Posted - 2005.08.15 01:49:00 -
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When it comes to Tech 2 Ships we intend to be the future kings. 
And to my knowledge we are the only coporation that has a bpo for every Tech 2 ship in game.
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Trina Tron
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Posted - 2005.08.15 06:24:00 -
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naga 4tw
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.15 08:41:00 -
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60 day waiting lists ftl *cough* NAGA *cough*
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.08.15 11:11:00 -
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What a silly thread, flamebaits in market duscussion = tsk.
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Arcas Kett
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Posted - 2005.08.15 11:34:00 -
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hoping to get a reaction from Big and other bigger eve traders and hopefully they will lower there prices on par with Naga. Becus 70m for a vaga and 3m p.u of dual heavy pulse laser is just one of many items rediculously over priced.
They are racking in the isk im sure they could afford the price drop for a better pricing reputation.
Naga have done the smart thing, more customers, happier customers as apposed to gouging prices becus of the production times and selling out by charging more.
Not mention naga and big both have huge queues thats unavoidable.
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.08.15 11:44:00 -
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I'm sure you are aware that BIG Sales is not just BIG the corporation, but a number of corporations using a mutual system to advertise their products. Every seller sets his own prices.
As far as I know, Naga is 1 corp?
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Pallas Athene
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:48:00 -
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Let me put some facts into perspective ...
First af all we have to take a look at the company structures and you¦ll see that comparing BIG and NAGA is almost impossible.
NAGA specialised itself on T2 production and sales from the very beginning when T2 was introduced - that¦s more than 18 month ago.
We started our T2 production and sales using a concept called "Stepstone" - you can read more about it on our website if you¦re interested - Stepstone Project -
The most important thing about it is that we¦re building almost every T2 item ourselves and have almost 100% control about production costs and sales prices.
BIG on the other side is not specialised on T2.
As far as i know only a few people within their ranks are involved in their T2 sales.
And of course, the BIGgest difference between our corporations - BIG sales is based on a marketplace concept, allowing independent producers to offer their products on the BIG website, and are building only a percentage of the items they offer.
This means that they don¦t have full control of sales prices for most of their T2 items .
The result is that prices within T2 categories like HAC can differ extremely - depending on the guidelines of the different producers.
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Now let¦s take a look on those annoying waiting lists .
I¦m sure that everybody is aware of building times of T2 items by now - especially T2 ships have a very long construction time.
Depending on the sales politics and the sales model of everybody who¦s calling himself a serious trader or distributor, there is no way around it.
A waiting list for products is only an indicator for a combination of circumstances :
- product availability
- product popularity
- product sales frequency
- product production time
Of course, there are ways to avoid waiting lists on some of those products :
- use only in-game market (SCC)
- "no stock/no sale" or "first come/first serve" sales politics
- put a rediculously high price tag on it
- don¦t sell the item at all 
Well, none of those "OMG, avoid a waiting list" methods is suitable for our business .
People can allways choose according to their priorities.
Either they don¦t care about cash, then they just open the ingame market and pay a ridiculously high price for a HAC - or they can wait and get it to a more reasonable price.
I¦m sure people will keep on discussing this for ever, but let me assure you - it¦s pointless.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.08.15 16:38:00 -
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i don't like Big, but if i said what i really felt i'd probably get a ban 
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Saerid
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Posted - 2005.08.17 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Saerid on 17/08/2005 10:47:59
Sounds like bit of a flamebait.
In a nutshell: NAGA produces vast majority of sold items in-house, from their own prints and other people's(the stepstone project). BIG is more in the retail channel sharing business. Ie, multiple producers. Different business model. Safe to say both work, just judging by sheer volume of products (and variety) moved. Rest comes down to personal taste.
Vertical integration could be another difference. NAGA produces majority of the reactions (by cash value) it uses, not sure about the POS industry BIG is running. Doing it yourself makes for about 10 mil difference in margin per HAC vs buying from market, gives more room for maneuver on pricing.
On Pricing: From a producer's point of view one could make a case BIG's prices are too low, note the wait times. Could very well tighten it up until the demand matches output. Of course same goes for us. Lot of the lower ship pricing comes down to the fact people don't buy just ships. It's like the hardware store, big ticket items like power tools got lower margins and you'll pay 300% on the nuts and bolts. Or in case of T2, guns and such. Doesn't exactly qualify as loss leader for anyone of course.
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Fivor
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Posted - 2005.08.17 14:16:00 -
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It is deffo a bit of flame bait -
The way we do things is different to NAGA ,
and the way that the tech2 market is there are lots of ways to help fill it.
BIG generally don't have control over the prices on our site, though I will look at the ones BIG produces and see what I can do with them [hate those audit days]
I also know there are plenty of other producers out there. [and an old one coming back in force RSN]
Anyhoo, back to the front - lets see if can can add a few more things to our lists
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.08.19 12:54:00 -
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Saerid
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Posted - 2005.08.19 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Saerid on 19/08/2005 14:00:27
 Originally by: Summersnow
Edited by: Summersnow on 19/08/2005 13:07:20
One thought, if I understand the two entities correctly NAGA is limited in that everything is done in house, BIG on the other hand is an advertisement / shared selling point and has the capability to grow well beyond naga's scale if enough other corps agree to join in and use there common website.
About right, comes down to print count. One thing to keep in mind is that T2 market is in fact very decentralized. At a guess BIG and NAGA rolled together would be lucky to have 10% of the BPOs in circulation.
T2 component suppliers like Bertie (and probably Tamas Elmebeteg) ship significantly higher quantities of them around the galaxy than any of the bigger manufacturers use. Visibility != size.
As for expansion, I'd say we're more interested in inventing new business models doing more with less than becoming some 800 pound gorilla of the T2 jungle. My personal opinion of an ideal situation would be to be able to run the whole show with 5 people without ever undocking, and hosing the profits into something new & interesting.
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.08.19 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Saerid
Edited by: Saerid on 19/08/2005 14:00:27
My personal opinion of an ideal situation would be to be able to run the whole show with 5 people without ever undocking, and hosing the profits into something new & interesting.
I hear charity work can be interesting...
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Pallas Athene
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Posted - 2005.08.19 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow
Originally by: Saerid
Edited by: Saerid on 19/08/2005 14:00:27
My personal opinion of an ideal situation would be to be able to run the whole show with 5 people without ever undocking, and hosing the profits into something new & interesting.
I hear charity work can be interesting...
We¦ve spent over 5 Bill. on 3rd party corporation development during the last couple of month , we¦re just not making a fuss about it - but of course, that¦s not charity by definition .
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.08.19 22:44:00 -
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I was thinking more along the lines of contests or events designed to get people to think about a particular aspect of the biz and find a new, better way of doing something you hadn't thought of :-p
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Dragoslav Rasha
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Posted - 2005.08.19 23:11:00 -
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dunno for what is this really good but...
we should be happy about both groups...naga AND big sales !
both are friendly,fast and cheap !
my opinion
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Pallas Athene
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Posted - 2005.08.19 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow
I was thinking more along the lines of contests or events designed to get people to think about a particular aspect of the biz and find a new, better way of doing something you hadn't thought of :-p
Does cash make people think better or change their way of thinking or improve the quality of their ideas?
Hell , yeah ! It does. But honestly... why should we pay for that ?
We¦re allways open for new ideas and we¦re investing in corporations and individuals if we can .
But we certainly don¦t have the time and the headcount to set up contests or events.
Although, if you have an idea for such an event or contest, we can talk about it.
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Bertie
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Posted - 2005.08.19 23:29:00 -
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IMO this is a pretty pointless thread. NAGA and BIG are both exceptional corps, executing very different models that follow their own vision. And EVE is a better place for having both of them. To lose either would be to the detriment of the EVE populace.
So why are we comparing one against the other??? 
Oh, and OMG a mention in such lofty circles!! 
*Bertie slips Saerid a fiver for the free PR 
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.08.20 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pallas Athene
Originally by: Summersnow
I was thinking more along the lines of contests or events designed to get people to think about a particular aspect of the biz and find a new, better way of doing something you hadn't thought of :-p
Does cash make people think better or change their way of thinking or improve the quality of their ideas?
Hell , yeah ! It does. But honestly... why should we pay for that ?
One of your members mentioned wanting to streamline your op and having excess cash.
It seems obvious to me that if NAGA knew HOW to do that they would have done so which means its time to get new people thinking about it and what better way to inspire people to think on that then wave cash in front of them as a reward :-p
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Pallas Athene
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Posted - 2005.08.20 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow
One of your members mentioned wanting to streamline your op and having excess cash.
It seems obvious to me that if NAGA knew HOW to do that they would have done so which means its time to get new people thinking about it and what better way to inspire people to think on that then wave cash in front of them as a reward :-p
When we¦re not longer able to manage our corporation , i let you know - untill that happens we¦re going to handle internal affairs like they should be - internal.
Anyway, what is this hide-and-seek game all about. If you want to challenge us you have to do better than that.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.08.20 06:02:00 -
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Flamebait.
Click.
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