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Shrike
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:07:00 -
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 Originally by: csebal
Claiming that we were the reason for the BoB lag is plain lame. The reason was that the servers are unable to handle a load like this. Everybody knows that, and you still came in.
Now if you expect IMP just to step aside and let you in, then you are so terribly mistaken.
You were given a damn big advantage, there was noone standing on the gate - to my knowledge at least, we started to warp there when local started to climb, so we were just as well affected by the lag. For example i havent seen anything for the first two minutes of the engagements, and even after that, my lag was so terrible, that i havent managed to fire a shot.
I can assure you, i was not alone.
So cry me a river about how much it is our fault that you lost ships to the lag. Without the lag, there would have been a lot more casualties on both sides, especially on the BoB side, considering the odds.
Next time, think before bringing 100 more ships into a system with 200 in already. But if not, and you still insist on doing it, then at least be man enough to face the consequences, and do not try to blame the other side, for not making your task easier.
Thank you.
Personally, im not proud of these kills, but your pathetic attempt to blame us for your own mistake is just.. pathetic.
Excuse me, but a deal was made, to let us in, so that we could have a proper fight. If you want to dispute that, ill be happy to post the logs.
But sure thing, whatever, we know what your word is worth. Facts are stated, could care less about the rest.
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Shrike
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei
Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 16/08/2005 00:08:14
bob deserves some credit for jumping into 4c with all the ships we had, im pretty sure we had them out numbered, but i wont listen to any claims that we tried to lag them on purpose
if the servers had held out it might have been a good battle for the gate, but on my end i just sat there trying to lock and seeing the odd yellow square explode every couple of mins
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Excuse me, but a deal was made, to let us in, so that we could have a proper fight. If you want to dispute that, ill be happy to post the logs.
errm fisrt i heard of it, imp arrived at the same time as g, 4c is our space i think its up to us if we want to let you in the front door 
[20:55:42] Shrike > evenings
[20:55:44] Christo > good evening
[20:56:01] Shrike > are you coordinating all the fleets? So that i dont have to speak to 5 diff ppl?
[20:56:23] Christo > no i am just coodinating the g fleet
[20:56:37] Shrike > bah k
[20:56:38] Christo > imp is pretty much doing their own ****
[20:56:50] Shrike > k, then we cant really fix it
[20:57:00] Christo > wait a sec
[20:57:22] Shrike > as in, we *want* this fight, but we're not gonna jump into 150 ppl and get lagged to hell
[20:57:45] Christo > sure
[20:57:52] Christo > thats why we left the gate
[20:58:06] Shrike > yeah, but 50000 km off the gate isnt far enough
[20:58:52] Christo > what distance would you like?
[20:59:13] Shrike > prolly gonna take 2-3 minutes to load space, at least
[20:59:29] Shrike > regardless of where you are
[20:59:39] Shrike > so, pref 100 au off
[21:01:02] Christo > sorry 100au is to hard to coordinate
[21:01:27] Shrike > not really, its a gangwarp to a bm
[21:02:03] Christo > damn u are messing all my plans
[21:02:10] Shrike > lol
[21:02:26] Shrike > youll get plenty of fights, but i dont really want a mexican standoff
[21:02:44] Christo > that would suck indeed
[21:05:23] Christo > ok we will get back some aus
[21:07:35] Christo > ill try the imp leader to do the same
[21:07:42] Shrike > lol good luck
[21:11:19] Christo > imp agrred on not warping in before g arrived
[21:11:46] Shrike > youre talking about the IMP here, i do ont take their word for it
[21:13:28] Christo > i dunno what to do
[21:14:13] Christo > for g i have done everything possible to get the fight
[21:15:18] Shrike > well, i just tested it, sent in a frig, they warped in.
[21:16:05] Christo > thats imp but u have to admit they are defending their space
[21:16:33] Shrike > fair enough, we'll just have a mexican standoff then.
[21:20:49] Christo > u know that we will hit the warp button when ur fleet enters 4cc?
[21:20:56] Christo > -c
[21:24:15] Christo > your covert is decloaked
[21:24:24] Christo > :-)
[21:24:56] Shrike > ofc
[21:25:14] Shrike > 500 km away, no need to really hide him
[21:26:00] Christo > ok imp is backing of
[21:26:23] Shrike > so we saw
[21:27:33] Christo > now it is your turn
[21:30:17] Shrike > just waiting for scan results
[21:30:47] Christo > 32au and 27au i guess
[21:35:40] Shrike > hrm, thats not very far
[21:38:39] Shrike > so much for waiting
[21:39:48] Christo > we see nothing
[21:40:05] Shrike > bull****, i see scarmbler messages.
[21:41:54] Christo > i see only the frig standing at the gate before
[21:50:34] Shrike > so much for holding your part of letting us in.
[21:51:46] Christo > when our scout said ur jumping i waited around 20 seconds
[21:52:08] Christo > that was not what i wanted, sorry
[21:52:12] Shrike > Dont ever come to me asking for a favor after this
[21:52:57] Christo > i am shamed
[21:56:20] Christo > all i can say is sorry... i really underestimated the situation
[21:56:27] Shrike > whatever
[22:07:17] Christo > i am ashamed to ask u for one more favour
[22:07:53] Christo > could u pls remove the ship losses from the bob public killboard
'nuff said.
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csebal
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: csebal on 16/08/2005 00:16:22
Originally by: Shrike
Originally by: csebal
** I already deleted this post, so what's the fuss about? **
Excuse me, but a deal was made, to let us in, so that we could have a proper fight. If you want to dispute that, ill be happy to post the logs.
But sure thing, whatever, we know what your word is worth. Facts are stated, could care less about the rest.
I removed my post already, so i consider your answer / reaction null and void. If you would edit your post to reflect that, that would be nice, thank you.
I realize my post was still up when you started reacting. Sorry for the.. well.. flames, im just not happy about people blaming others for their mistakes, but lets not fight it out on the boards, we have ships for that.
Oh, and for one, i would love to see those logs, just out of curiosity. ;) Not that i would care. Regardless of the *deal*, i know that the imp gang was the last to arrive, well, based on the lag at least, so i do not feel bad about the battle, especially considering that i wasnt able to fire a single shot.
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This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation or that of the Imperium Alliance in any way.
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Dave Tehsulei
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:20:00 -
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hm well i wasnt in command of the fleet, i know we warped when local jumped we were a good 35 au away ... when i arrived and anything loaded G was at the gate as well, maybe miscommunication i dont know
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:24:00 -
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lol, 100au.
I wonder if other gang was about to jump and BoB gang would have been asked to go 100 AU and let people in and quickly SS. You think i beleive that youd engage 80 vs 150? lol
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 16/08/2005 00:27:58
Originally by: CrusherDK
lol, 100au.
I wonder if other gang was about to jump and BoB gang would have been asked to go 100 AU and let people in and quickly SS. You think i beleive that youd engage 80 vs 150? lol
If we had 150 and the other gang had 80, we would let them in and prolly sit and let them warp in on us whatever they wanted.
As for engaging 80 vs 150, we've engaged worse odds than that before and would have given anythign to have been given a shot at it there.
The reason you don't believe is the exact reason you follow us around the forums.
dbp
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:29:00 -
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Im not following anyone tho, i post wherever i think i need to.
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DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei
hm well i wasnt in command of the fleet, i know we warped when local jumped we were a good 35 au away ... when i arrived and anything loaded G was at the gate as well, maybe miscommunication i dont know
Unfortunately that was the problem, you guys did get your screens to load eventually, where as ours didn't. We instructed people to warp even though they only saw space, the gate didn't even load let alone enemy ships.
It's a shame as that could have been EveÆs biggest ever fleet battle, with numbers in the region of 170 (GIMPRAD) v 90 (BoB).Perhaps next time we can actually make it happen.
Black Nova Corporation COO
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csebal
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
... and would have given anythign to have been given a shot at it there. ...
For the first, and maybe only time in EVE history, i just completely agree with you on something. Not that either of us would really care ;)
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Dave Tehsulei
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: Dave Tehsulei
hm well i wasnt in command of the fleet, i know we warped when local jumped we were a good 35 au away ... when i arrived and anything loaded G was at the gate as well, maybe miscommunication i dont know
Unfortunately that was the problem, you guys did get your screens to load eventually, where as ours didn't. We instructed people to warp even though they only saw space, the gate didn't even load let alone enemy ships.
It's a shame as that could have been EveÆs biggest ever fleet battle, with numbers in the region of 170 (GIMPRAD) v 90 (BoB).Perhaps next time we can actually make it happen.
yeh it would have been a great battle... but alot of our guys myself included were lagged as bad as you, i couldnt lock or fire on anything i saw, and the large portion of your fleet that got away from the gate never appeared on my screen
lag4tl
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Grimster
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The reason you don't believe is the exact reason you follow us around the forums.
Nah - that's just you - it's playground psyche - you pull the pigtails of the girl you wanna kiss, but follow them around a lot.
So feel Crushers <3 he's feeling rejected.
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Noobjuice
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:37:00 -
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I won't comment on the possible lack of honor here, but that would have been a battle for the ages. It's unfortunate whoever commanded there didn't have the balls to wait another minute for a proper fight. I'd be proud to be a Bob member today, fighting against those odds.... damn proud.
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:50:00 -
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Well there's always tomorrow 
Hope we don't kill the node or almost kill it again hehehe
Should be a GREAT fight 
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DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: DB Preacher
The reason you don't believe is the exact reason you follow us around the forums.
Nah - that's just you - it's playground psyche - you pull the pigtails of the girl you wanna kiss, but follow them around a lot.
So feel Crushers <3 he's feeling rejected.
Crusher <3 DBP - lol, now that is funny and probably very true 
Black Nova Corporation COO
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:52:00 -
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I find it interesting that the ex-FIX guys are smacking ex-fountain guys in the thread in general forums, saying "oh man we pwnzorzed you and took your territory."
Its like eve has come full circle
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Taliesin Danemire
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:54:00 -
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Whatever about the lag. We all had it bad! I did not lock a single target!
Quit your moaning.
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.08.16 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Trey Azagthoth on 16/08/2005 01:25:42
Here's what's even funnier than 1000000 people in 4c-b7x.
The Windup
The Pitch
EDIT: Changed to Jpeg
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.16 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 16/08/2005 01:25:34
Originally by: Trey Azagthoth
Here's what's even funnier than 1000000 people in 4c-b7x.
The Windup
The Pitch!
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.16 02:34:00 -
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Well after read the posts, and the chat log, I have gained a whole new respect for G.
Jeez never thought I would hear my self say that. As for the *other* party involved, who can only seem to come online, and smack about your uberness, shame.
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Shiwan Khan
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Posted - 2005.08.16 03:29:00 -
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It's common sense to not allow a hostile fleet of 80+ ships into your alliance's home system, where that hostile alliance has a POS setup where they could possably inflict more damage.
As for the agreement that was made, i do not know because i was just listening on TS, but it sounded like some people misunderstood a command and warped pre-maturly. It happens, the ships will get replaced i am sure on both sides so no harm no foul.
"TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO"
2005.06.17 07:15:13 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer
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nitr0s
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Posted - 2005.08.16 03:30:00 -
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Shouldnt some random IMP player being saing Outer-Ring is now disputed territory?
Oh wait..........
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Cabal Leader
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Posted - 2005.08.16 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Stratego
that was a lot of things but the kills scored there initially wasnt due to the enemy's skill atleast, thats somewhat comforting.
No Offense but ganking from your POS safe spot isnt really skill wouldnt you agree?
now Please no more Smack Talk in the Forums ok?
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.08.16 04:15:00 -
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For all BOB that felt backstabbed,
for reference:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=197135
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TWD
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Posted - 2005.08.16 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cabal Leader
No Offense but ganking from your POS safe spot isnt really skill wouldnt you agree?
now Please no more Smack Talk in the Forums ok?
Yes, we ganked your battleships in your fleet (IMP) of 20 battleships with our 6 battleships. sorry for that :|
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.08.16 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shiwan Khan
It's common sense to not allow a hostile fleet of 80+ ships into your alliance's home system, where that hostile alliance has a POS setup where they could possably inflict more damage.
You guys are unbelievable. Your forum trolls spend two days on the forums calling us cowards and beating your chests about how much you want us to fight, then when you outnumber us 2:1 and we still try to engage you want to deny us the simple advantage of LOADING THE SYSTEM BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO FIGHT.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.08.16 04:27:00 -
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Gotta give respect to G, and most importantly to that guy in local trying his best to work stuff out for both sides. I feel sorry for him even.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.16 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin
Originally by: Shiwan Khan
It's common sense to not allow a hostile fleet of 80+ ships into your alliance's home system, where that hostile alliance has a POS setup where they could possably inflict more damage.
You guys are unbelievable. Your forum trolls spend two days on the forums calling us cowards and beating your chests about how much you want us to fight, then when you outnumber us 2:1 and we still try to engage you want to deny us the simple advantage of LOADING THE SYSTEM BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO FIGHT.
Quoted for truth.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.08.16 04:55:00 -
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Its days like these when I am not happy to be a member of this community, and a player of this game. Large scale, epic fleet battles is the pinnacle of pvp.. and I've been waiting for it since I laid eyes on EVE. Everything up to that has been a distraction from what I really wanted to begin with.
This is just a reminder that we might be better off than we were two years ago with server and client performance.. but that it will never keep up with how many people can actually get into these fleets.
I hope I don't come off as racist or anything by saying this, but I dont see what difference the Kali improvements will make if EVE is opened up to the asian market. It'll just result in more players, bigger fleets and the same general stupidity, you know?
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.16 05:09:00 -
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One possible solution is that the devs could add a small number (4?) of "high-load" cluster servers--with massive multiproc setups, insane amounts of RAM, easily costing 5 times more than a normal cluster machine. They would automatically be assigned to handle systems with huge numbers of players--the highway systems, or during a fleet battle, out in 0.0.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.08.16 05:47:00 -
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Doesn't anyone remember that battle from about a year back? Left over 300 ship kills and 200 podkills.
Now *that* was a fleet battle.
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