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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.16 10:51:00 -
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Quite simply, do you think it is possible for an evil character to become accepted as a good character?
Discuss.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.08.16 10:57:00 -
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yea, i was a evil char before but now im a good char! ;)
"We brake for nobody"
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.08.16 10:57:00 -
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Define both first 
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Shiva Seran
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Posted - 2005.08.16 10:57:00 -
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no. there is no hope for you left.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Discorporation
Define both first
There is no good or bad in eve, only varying degrees of ugly.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Define both first
Evil : antithesis Good
Good : antithesis Evil
There, defined, continue.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Define both first
Stop doing that Disco, I do not want to become a fan boy of yours 
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Define both first
Or literally.
Both : One and the other one, together.
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Squelch
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:16:00 -
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I doubt it. I can't imagine people accepting, for example, Viceroy handing out cookies to Eve nubs. Er.. hang on what am I saying?
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 16/08/2005 11:19:27
Nah, seriously, what makes a good character good and an evil character evil?
Ganking defenseless haulers in 0.0 is generally considered 'evil', unless those haulers happen to belong to an opposing enemy (in which case it's suddenly a valid target).
It all depends on the situations that earned the person in question the tag 'good' or 'evil'
Edit: And to actually answer your question, yes, it's possible, on a case-by-case basis.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:19:00 -
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Avon, you're a pirate. You are supposed to be feared, and hated.
Sorry if you did not know this before you chose a life of crime. 
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Ben Derindar
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:47:00 -
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I used to fly with a couple of ex-pirates once upon a time, so it's certainly possible... they know who they are. <3
But I agree with Disco, it would have to be a case-by-case thing. There would be others in the game where the only way I could ever trust them not to shoot would be if someone else in RL had taken over their character. 
/Ben
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:52:00 -
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i think i am generally considered good, yet i was a member of m0o, who were considered by most as being evil. I was also a member of CME who at various points in time were members of both FA and CA, who were enemies of eachother.
So, can you be both at the same time? 
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:56:00 -
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ah well evil ther is no evil well escrow scammers maybe - or someone in youre corp that ends up being a bad apple and sniping u in the back "trolloc" is such a charcater
But even low sec pirates ganking haulers (of which ive list 10 so far this month in aridia) are just doing the gameplay - for them sitting at a gate and ganking all and sundry gets them their kicks
On the flip side me bring a shuttle through being targetted ata 0.3 gate watching a member of black storm clan in his battleship target me and still didnt hit me. I warped out he got nailed by the sentry guns (obvioulsy forgot about tanking) lost 110m in battleship i came back in my shuttle he was in a pod and i had a good laugh so things do balance up but there is no good or evil
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Caladen
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Posted - 2005.08.16 11:59:00 -
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It all comes down to point of view just like everything in life.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.08.16 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Antoinette Civari on 16/08/2005 12:01:46
I wouldnt consider pirating and pirates in general as evil just as i dont consider carebears to be good by definition. So whats the definition of an evil character, backstabbing, scamming, smacking or maybe corp theft ? Every character who betrays the trust of others in oder to get an advantage will have a very hard time to be accepted as "good" because no one would trust him and these are the only ones i can think of who could be defined as evil. ( I dont like these terms anyways, there's just a lot of grey, sometimes darker, sometimes lighter )
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.08.16 12:10:00 -
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Depend on person but once ebil, they will turn back ebil. I have seen this on my beloved Siddy. He tried to be keerbeer but failed miserably ;
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.16 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dakath
Avon, you're a pirate. You are supposed to be feared, and hated.
Sorry if you did not know this before you chose a life of crime.
Yeah, I like being a bad guy.
Just to clarify, this is a follow up to a discussion I was having at the weekend with a few MMOG playing mates.
It started about reputation and how it is roleplayed, and eventually we got on to the subject of Eve and security status.
They found it hard to understand that SS did not define the alignment of the character, or even reflect it very well.
They seemed to think that if Avon suddenly had a +5 SS everyone would think he was a good guy and accept it as such.
I said that the players reputation was the defining issue, not the security status; that an 'evil' character could only be accepted as 'good' if they could in some way prove themselves, and doubts would remain.
Anyway, that's the background.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.08.16 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
They found it hard to understand that SS did not define the alignment of the character, or even reflect it very well.
They seemed to think that if Avon suddenly had a +5 SS everyone would think he was a good guy and accept it as such.
I said that the players reputation was the defining issue, not the security status; that an 'evil' character could only be accepted as 'good' if they could in some way prove themselves, and doubts would remain.
Anyway, that's the background.
Since security status only represents exessive carebearing it cant be used to determine if a character is good or bad. Though, not a lot people actually have a well known reputation which means a character can be a -10 pirate for a couple of month, get it back to >0, switch regions and no one would take notice of his evil history.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.16 14:51:00 -
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The longer and more evil you are, the harder it is to become good.
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Firebreak
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Posted - 2005.08.16 15:23:00 -
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It would be hard to switch from evil to good, because people remember the bad things you've done to them. However, it would be easy to move from good to evil.
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Fendor Atar
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Posted - 2005.08.16 15:34:00 -
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aye the darkside is luring 
thou it all comes down to reputation in the end
even if a guy has done some real evil things he can still be seen as a good guy for the way he acts in local and towards people.
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Havocide
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Posted - 2005.08.16 17:28:00 -
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i used to be ebil but now im good <3
-Havo
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2005.08.16 17:54:00 -
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Sure, it's real easy to change. All you have to do is say that you're not pirating anymore and you're adopting a NBSI policy. You'll get all sorts of "respect" from people around the community and now you're an upstanding citizen.  It's worked for countless corps and alliances, I'm sure it could work for individuals too.
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Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2005.08.16 18:06:00 -
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Why would you want to become good? It takes all the fun out of the game
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.08.16 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: TjanitN Tcroxlr on 16/08/2005 19:07:16
The answers offered generate more questions than answers.
There is no right or wrong answer, only opinions, so allow me to offer mine.
Secrate does NOT reflect allignment. Someone...like me for example...could receive a negative secrate for fighting griefers in high sec. So what IS "evil" in eve. Ore theives seem to think miners are evil. Miners seem to think Ore theives are evil. Carebears seem to think PvPers are evil. And of course PvPers seem to think carebears are evil. Evil is as evil does. In my opinion, If you do something *without provocation* to harm another pilot, that is evil. On the other hand, doing something to harm another pilot *with provocation* is revenge and/or justice. Doing something to help another pilot is generally considered good, unless you are helping the pilot to do something evil.
So, can one be both at the same time? Can I be a crusader of justice in Caldari space and a can raider in Amarrian space? Why not? (Just for the record, I am not a can raider anywhere in Eve. I was only speaking hypothetically.) I can be anything I want to be in Eve. Yes, one can change their reputation, from good to evil and from evil to good, or be both at the same time. Simply do the things that people consider fitting with your intended reputation.
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Mannakin
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Posted - 2005.08.16 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mannakin on 16/08/2005 21:20:11
Trust nobody.
Judge people by their deeds, and not by appearances..
and do unto others, as they would do unto you, only do it first!
Personally, I just CANNOT make myself roleplay an evil char or even do an evil deed. I'm not a carebear, I half live in a busy 0.0 area and will happily join a fight.
Must be a character flaw
So, no, I don't believe in reformed characters
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Denny Crane
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Posted - 2005.08.31 10:05:00 -
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ollo, Dear ollo:
As you may or may not know... Battleships do have the ability to tank empire sentries. My member did not lose his ship to the sentries as you are erroneously reporting.
Fly safe ollo, and stay sharp in your shuttle.
Denny Crane
Chancellor
Black Storm Clan
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.31 10:07:00 -
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lol thanks danny crane lol
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.31 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
ah well evil ther is no evil well escrow scammers maybe - or someone in youre corp that ends up being a bad apple and sniping u in the back "trolloc" is such a charcater
I think you should refer to him as Emperor Trolloc I.
Btw, it was a poor show from you.
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