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Kraven Kor
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Posted - 2005.08.18 21:56:00 -
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You want to recruit new members. How do you screen them? Phone interviews (where they can lie)? Check employment history (been in newbie corp for 3 months)? Lie detector test? Truth serum? Psychic powers?
How does your corp make sure they aren't inviting an enemy spy to your corp?
(this is in regards to FIX comments in my POS thread, but hopefully we can use this thread to educate anyone interested in proper corp security in EVE.)
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.08.18 21:58:00 -
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You could make them download Windows Media 9 Series Encoder. It has the ability to record their Desktop. I'd make them record login (hitting dropdown), character screen and creation dates for cache files to see if them.
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IamBen
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:02:00 -
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1. Screen shot of their login portraits. If they have silly alts tell them to delete them. If they are really just suicide kestrel alts its not a big deal to make new ones. That weeds out alot of alt corp spys right there.
2. They have a mic and can actively talk on TS ALOT. When they say: "I have ts but no mic" Red flags going off everywhere.
3. How did they find your corp? References etc.
4. Noobs should act like noobs. You get a guy playing for one month whose a "noob" but seems to know everything about EvE and when questioned has a "friend who he watched play alot".... ALT!
Just a few things to watch out for.
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Kraven Kor
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
You could make them download Windows Media 9 Series Encoder. It has the ability to record their Desktop. I'd make them record login (hitting dropdown), character screen and creation dates for cache files to see if them.
Ok...
Now, if any corp asked me to do that, I'd laugh and find another corp to reply to. I don't want ANYONE seeing my login ID's, makes it that much easier to have your account stolen if they know the screen name they just have to get the password.
As for the characters screen, if it is a true alt, sure. But what if they have multiple accounts?
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:04:00 -
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TS but no mic isn't as big of a red flag as you think.
Not every computer comes with one.
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:07:00 -
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It should be, this is in regards to MY comment I made.
To help further the topic.
Rule of thumb to consider, you can't:
Once that is embedded in your head, then the filtering process can begin.
1. Employee History, n00b since creation. Ok, interview the person. Check and see if they really are a n00b or know nothing of entities or alliance. Sometimes the obvious questions that come out should flag a sign. Perhaps they are acting too hard. Go with your gut feeling on this one.
2. Screenshot of the character screens. Not as bulletproof, than again read the first line I said with the bold. You can open the screen in photoshop and really zoom in and see if any alterations have been made. You gotta be good in detecting crops to see if anything was changed. 2nd Accounts can bi-pass this.
3. Give them a probation period. Spies are someone's second account, or someone's photoshopped alt. See how they actively participate in the corp. If they aren't online as much than evaluate their contribution and boot them in the end.
4. I once read a wonderful statement from someone on here. Sometimes the spies lose their act when the taking is the easiest. Put them in a situation where theft CAN occur. Perhaps not the biggest of assets, but you understand. They can buckle.
5. Lastly, don't recruit. Or simple, recruit those who just started the game or have been in a n00b corp for months/years. Recruit only real life friends or those referred by esteemed members.
6. Never recruit during a time of war.
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Kraven Kor
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: IamBen
1. Screen shot of their login portraits. If they have silly alts tell them to delete them. If they are really just suicide kestrel alts its not a big deal to make new ones. That weeds out alot of alt corp spys right there.
2. They have a mic and can actively talk on TS ALOT. When they say: "I have ts but no mic" Red flags going off everywhere.
3. How did they find your corp? References etc.
4. Noobs should act like noobs. You get a guy playing for one month whose a "noob" but seems to know everything about EvE and when questioned has a "friend who he watched play alot".... ALT!
Just a few things to watch out for.
Well, I will say the one who infiltrated us did a good job of acting like a n00b. Couldn't figure out how to log into TS, asked all kinds of "dumb questions" etc, mic sounded like crap till we helped her get it all set up right.
Some good suggestions there though.
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Panshin Bolo
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:13:00 -
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PPL are not gonna send off one of their mains to spy on the corp, and therefor check on standings with NPC corps. Not enough npc standings left and right? No invite.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:21:00 -
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You have interviews, get to know them and make a decition.
There is no way you can be 100% sure.
And even if you do everything right and the person is trustworthy when you join them in there is nothing that guarantees that they wont turn on you at a later time.
In the end all things done over a computer can be faked, you must choose if you trust the recruit or not.
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20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts?
Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's 
kieron
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Cosmic Dragon
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:50:00 -
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this is what i do
check his employment history and talk to his past affiliets if he has any
dont give him/her any hangar access exept the low level hangar after a week
get the person to do mining mainly because we are an industry corp but also because most alts seem to not enjoy it lol
get a picture of therer charecter login screen so you can see his alts.
get soone you trust to proof read the picture that was sent
Problem is all these are not foolproof after all look at that big Amarr roleplay corp that got fleeced of bilions by the guiding hand social club now that was a fine piece of work.
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2005.08.19 03:48:00 -
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2. They have a mic and can actively talk on TS ALOT. When they say: "I have ts but no mic" Red flags going off everywhere.
Lies  My mic borked all the time (possibly because it cost about ú2.50) and I wasn't a spy. It completely conked out after a new soundcard, so maybe that has something to do with it *scratches head*
Anyway, from what I've noticed there's no sure fire way of stopping spies...screenshots of log in screen is a good idea, but you won't know if they have a seperate main account.
It can happen to anyone  I guess the best sa***uards are just not to give out sensitive information to people other than your core members, and keep all your assets under lock and key. Common sense ftw 
(P.S, what does f.e.g mean?  )
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.19 04:52:00 -
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I thought we determined this already! (if anyone remembers the last thread on this)
Toss them in a pond. If they float their a spy...
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.08.19 05:27:00 -
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All of these are excellent suggestions. The big problem is second accounts you have no knowledge of. We (being the biggest corp theft victims in history and proud of it ) have found that getting a screenie of the wallet of the character set to player donations and expanded to the length of the entire screen will show funneling of chash to or from an alt(s) or second account. It will also show if they've been paid to infiltrate or have any shady associates. Also, the only way to cover such shady activities is to have a bunch of entries in rapid succession to bump the suspect ones off the first page. Answer to this: that nifty little arrow at the top right of the wallet. Their wallet entries in here should go back at least 3 months. Get them to give you as many screenies as you want. As soon as they start to whine or make excuses, reject.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2005.08.19 05:39:00 -
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We have very good methods of detecting and eliminating spies. However, due to security reasons, we cannot reveal that classified information here. However, I would be willing to sell you the methodology for 50 million isk.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.08.19 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: IamBen
2. They have a mic and can actively talk on TS ALOT. When they say: "I have ts but no mic" Red flags going off everywhere.
I don't think CCP would approve of such blatant discrimination.
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.08.19 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gungankllr
TS but no mic isn't as big of a red flag as you think.
Not every computer comes with one.
yeh! Especially when you don't want anyone to know your a fat nerd with glasses.
Even more when everyone thinks your a a Girl in RL.
Ahem....
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Monkey nut
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Posted - 2005.08.19 13:13:00 -
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As a corp based on helping noob players we are open to this problem. As a result we only allow basic hanger access to new members (to be expected), however our valuable items are held my myself (and our soon to be appointed director). These items (such as the BPO's) are never kept in corp hangers, nore given to others.
Members are allowed to take anything they need from the corp hanger at any time, however they must attend a weekly mining op for the right to do so.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.19 13:26:00 -
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You can't prevent it, hands down. But if you manage your corporate resources right you could have a hundred spies in your corp and not worry about corp assets.
First and foremost, do not, repeat do not give out any access other than generic member access to anyone unless you're absolutely sure they are who they say they are. In my corp, we're extremely careful who gets rights to not only take from but look in any corporate hangar that might contain sensitive stuff. There's maybe three people who can touch blueprints and manufacturing resources, and they're all folks that we've known for a very very long time.
There's more to spying than corp theft as well of course, so you'll never be able to curb intelligence gathering.
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Nakor Kren
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Posted - 2005.08.19 14:19:00 -
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Be a lot less willing to accept people that ask to join. It's better to find someone you know who's not interested in joining and convince them to join ^_^ Only accept people you've known for a while, or people who have references from people you know. If you are trying to grow your corp you accept people without good references at your own risk. Ask for screenies of their char selection, their wallet, and most importantly, their skill tree! Very few people spy with their main, so if they've got a substantial amount of sp they're a lot more likely to be the real deal (although it could still be the alt of an old player)
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Sfynx
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Posted - 2005.08.19 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sfynx on 19/08/2005 14:36:21
Checking the amount of skill points or NPC standings could help, but then you cannot recruit the players who are honestly new to the game also. Normally these kind of players are more busy with keeping their Merlin in one piece during a lvl1 kill mission than corp spying |
Nanos
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Posted - 2005.08.22 06:36:00 -
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I recommend three main approaches, lie detector software, the old truster software (now replaced with better stuff, see link.)
http://www.nemesysco.com/technology-truster.html
And in built corp security approach of not letting anyone have hanger access rights to anything valuable for any reason.
You can for example operate a post office hanger system, where you have station containers password protected, acting as INBOX/OUTBOX for people to transfer requested items to and from.
Always assume there are spies in corp and routinely provide false information to each individual to see what leaks out..
Nanos.
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Jena Malone
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Posted - 2005.08.22 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest
(P.S, what does f.e.g mean? )
 I was wondering why f.e.g. was blocked in that post and decided to investigate.
http://www.acronymattic.com (I'd link directly but of course, part of the URL has been filtered out
Amongst suggestions like Fund Evaluation Group, Filter Envelope Generator, Fishing Enthusiast Gift and Freeplay Energy Group, I found something called the Freier Evangelischer Gemeinden (free evangelist municipalities). Could it be that this is a religious acronym and that is why it is disallowed?
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.08.23 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: IamBen
2. They have a mic and can actively talk on TS ALOT. When they say: "I have ts but no mic" Red flags going off everywhere.
I don't think CCP would approve of such blatant discrimination.
Laf thats a good one.
Seing as TS (wich is actually crap as its not full duplex) is not part of the CCP product they have absolutely nothing to say on how you deal with comunication outside of their game.
CCP may frown upon people harassing others over TS but as the harassment is not taking part in EvE it is not their problem.
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20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts?
Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's
kieron
Community Manager,
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Skull Bunny
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Posted - 2005.08.23 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Dragon
Problem is all these are not foolproof after all look at that big Amarr roleplay corp that got fleeced of bilions by the guiding hand social club now that was a fine piece of work.
Apparently that took over a year of work for said player who did indeed dedicate lots of time and activit to said corp. All-in-all, over 30 billion was stolen, and one Navy Issue Apoc destroyed.
But, the true problem lies in the fact that no one is ever safe from corp theft.
I propose that provable corp thieft leads to a instant -5 security status, so corp members can hunt down and destroy their advisary.
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.08.23 12:46:00 -
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Have multiple corps and hire from within.
Do not recruit directly into your main corp except from trusted people in your holding corps.
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