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Virulence
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Posted - 2003.07.23 18:34:00 -
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why would concord and other minmatar slaves shoot someone carrying slaves? they claim to be so concerned about the stupid slaves, yet they are going to blow up the ship carrying them, that means the slaves will die, wow, slaves' lives just got so much better. take note minmatar.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.23 18:36:00 -
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Just one more of CCP's CONCORD insanities.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.07.23 18:38:00 -
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shoot them and hope the slaves survive :)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Takania Astral
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Posted - 2003.07.23 18:38:00 -
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Ahh but dont you know those cans that are ejected into space are fully equiped with Life Support
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.23 18:41:00 -
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From a roleplaying point of view, its not that hard to imagine, that slaves transported in a ship, will be transported in some container like device. If a ship is blown up, the cargo obviously gets out unharmed (hence we can loot stuff from destroyed ships) so the life suporting containers will be picked up by CONCORD.
When playing a RPG, some imagination will help you a lot, at least if you want to have fun while playing.
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Virulence
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Posted - 2003.07.23 18:42:00 -
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ACTUALLY if you are going to roleplay some more, as weapons rip through the hull of a ship they can damage things on the ship, including cargo. thats why everything you carry isnt dropped, because its destroyed. so they chance killing a bunch of slaves...
try again.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:12:00 -
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It's for the greater good. Stop the people trading slaves, you may lose a few slaves in the action but probably save the lives of many more..
Do you know how many slaves actually die due to idiotic space captains forgetting to hookup their cargo pods to the life support systems prior to un-docking.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:15:00 -
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"they claim to be so concerned about the stupid slaves, yet they are going to blow up the ship carrying them, that means the slaves will die, wow, slaves' lives just got so much better."
Maybe they operate under the "better dead than a slave" rule....
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:18:00 -
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clearly concord is racist and doesnt love slaves and the amarr love the slaves so much that they dictated concord into not killing them in amarr space.
boo concord, racist-fascist-murderous bastards!
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:23:00 -
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As I said, since you obviously dont damage the loot from ships when you normally blow them to smitherins, its quite ok that containers with slaves can be undamaged.
Captain Molusce of CONCORD:
-"Do not aim at the cargo space of that ship. Aim for the engine, I repeat..."
For all we know, the containers may be ejected in to space, just as our pods are, when the ship is destroyed.
Theres hundreds of ways to get this to work. Find you own, through your own imagination, instead of complaining here. Its all about your own intrest in making this game fun, and I cant help you anymore there.
The only thing you succeding by finding these small issues to rant about, is destroying the fun for youre self. I myself have a great time with this, and my great time wont be effected by you... Im just trying to help you to have fun as well.
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1of1
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:26:00 -
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My main qualm about this relates to what happens to the slaves after they are liberated.
Assuming you can't leave them floating out in space, depending on the breathing holes someone has poked into the cargo container ( ), I assume they would need to be transported back to a station. In which case - how will you be able to tell the difference between a slave trader and a slave liberator when you find someone with slaves in their hold? |
Virulence
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:44:00 -
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im just pointing out a gaping hole in the logic used to roleplay here. as for your ejection theory, what about the shockwave from the ship explosion.
id rather have ccp work out bugs before we have problems with concord detecting slaves on peoples ships who have no cargo and blow them up. how fun. an event would be nice too.
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Virulence
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:51:00 -
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theres this thing called suspension of disbelief, usually applied in literature. this occurs when the author creates a believable although not quite real image or environment. this effect can be broken though if the unbelievability is pushed too far, kind of like how slave sympathizers would kill slaves even if it's for the greater good, are they being moral (swordfish (movie)). better to have them jammed, webified, and scrambled then tell them to drop the slaves or fine them, since concord runs the bank too. you know, you can only delve into a fictious world as long as you arent suffocated in bs logic. especially in a sci-fi setting where there is a logical/scientific reason behind most things. like how there should be a DMZ no man's land between the empire's space, not some sort of mishmash of safe space and then a surrounding empty vastness, just an example. also, how did minmatar form an empire on par with the rest of the races? they had a late start. that doesnt make sense logically.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:56:00 -
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It's not on par and they had help from the Gallente ;)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Virulence
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Posted - 2003.07.23 20:08:00 -
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its pretty damn close, look at their ship stats and soveriegnty space, they didnt use gallente tech for their ships, they just took their refriderators and air conditioners and cobbled them together with gum and crammed some wings into them somehow.
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EleVata
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Posted - 2003.07.23 20:38:00 -
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Instead of attacking the slave carrying ship CONCORD could set up a pirate style blockade and demand millions of ISK from the slave runner... oh... wait... you'de probably complain about that as well.
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Virulence
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Posted - 2003.07.23 20:42:00 -
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try being a little more literate and attempt to understand what i wrote up there about more viable solutions.
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Lexington Cabot
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:22:00 -
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If you ammarians are so concerned about the slaves why not let them all go?
hmmmmm??????
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:26:00 -
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Do you guys have to be so pedantic about every little thing in Eve?
Story.
Transporting slaves outside Amarr space is bad mean nasty.
Concord will shoot upon any ships carrying slaves outside Amarr space.
Result.
More risk and more reward because demand for slaves is going to change as a result thereby involving trips through non-Amarr space.
Who cares about whether the slaves die as a result.
This probably means the black market skills are due to be introduced and the smuggling skill.
Hurrah.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Varsuuk
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:29:00 -
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Captured Min would rather die than serve the *spits* Amarr dogs.
We would enter the sacred hall of our anscesters with the satisfaction of knowing there are just that many less slaver scum left.
In addition, by doing so, it makes the running of slaves that much less profitable and in the end saves lives more than loses them.
I myself would try to self-destruct the ship if given the chance.
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 23/07/2003 21:36:01
Because we amarrian have mercy. We want to be good master, we want to take care our slaves
I forgot to provide a proof of my love to my slaves: I paint my loved minmatar slave's symbol on my mighty armageddon!
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.23 23:39:00 -
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Virulence: As someone litterate, you ofcourse know, that there really arent such a thing as shockwaves in space, at least not as we know it...The nothingness in space tends to erase such behaviors from materia.
But since we do see our pods right next to our ships after selfdestruct, or just plain destruction, we can logical assume, that since the pod can survive, so could a lifesuporting container.
And about suspension of dissbelife: Well, even if we assume (which I tend to not do, since it fit much better in my roleplaying act in game) that the slaves acctually would die, then CONCORD would simply just have used the same logic as animal right activist over here (Sweden) uses.
We have farms for breeding minks, to be minkcoats in the end. These animalright activist are repeadedly doing "actions" against these farms letting these minks out. Its nowadays common knowlegde that these minks will die, and die a rather horrible death as well. Even the animalright activists know this. (I know a couple of them myself)
But still, they keep doing these actions, for a multiple of resons, but they always claims to do it for the animals in the long end.
We could argue all night, if this is moraly right, or not, but they think, theire indirect killing of the minks will be such an economical burden to the farms, that they one day stop. Thus, the animal right activists has save thousands would be minks in the future.
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EndersGame
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Posted - 2003.07.24 00:16:00 -
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"Virulence: As someone litterate, you ofcourse know, that there really arent such a thing as shockwaves in space, at least not as we know it...The nothingness in space tends to erase such behaviors from materia."
LMAO OFG!! I craped my pants laughing so hard when i read that...
No shockwave in space??? LMAO... ohh i see so the thousands of metal peices going hundreds of miles an hr slamming into my hull is not a shockwave...
Sorry but its like filling a can with nails and putting a bomb in the can. If you detonate said can in space next to you.. guess what? Your dead!
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Virulence
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Posted - 2003.07.24 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Virulence on 24/07/2003 03:27:18
yeah someone needs to brush up on physics.
and as for animal rights, i really could care less because im not involved in any way but it just illustrates the fact that everything is really risk vs. benefit, but it would surprise me that concord would attack and kill slaves in an effort to stop the trade because concord is very concerned with being on strong moral ground due to their responsiblitly to everyone. the animal activists dont really have any responsiblity do they?
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JAXX
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Posted - 2003.07.24 03:33:00 -
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Well if you look at a shockwave being rapidly compressed & outwardly mobile air molecules He's right, there is no "shockwave" in space as it's defined, but the flying debrit would do the job of shredding any slaves on board. His physics are fine.
Sometimes to win, you have to fight just as mean and dirty as the other guy. Nobody will beat you challenging you to the field of honor for pistols at dawn. They have to slit your throat while you lay in bed, just like you'd do them. - Jash Illian |
Rath Amon
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Posted - 2003.07.24 03:53:00 -
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1. Concord blows up evil slave hauler's ship.
2. Evil slave hauler's clone activates.
3. Minmatar slaves too poor to afford clones boil in the micro-gravity environment of outer space.
If you're arguing that the ship's cargo magically gets ejected then I say that cargo containers acting as perfect life support capsules is just dumb. Of course I get agent missions everyday where I rescue VIPs from the remains of pirate frigates so this dumb container idea is apparently a part of the game at this point. I just wish that more things in this game made any sense at all.
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Virulence
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Posted - 2003.07.24 04:40:00 -
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i will admit that i should not have used the term shockwave to describe the effect in the game, it just seemed to be a natural way to describe the graphical representation, but that is not the issue, the issue is that pieces of the ship are propelled and will damage anything in their way, that is the physics of the situation. not to mention slugs or shells from weapons.
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.24 07:43:00 -
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EndersGame: There is flying debrie, yes, but no shockwave. Theres only a vacuum in space, hence no shockwave. Its simple physics.
Ok, so we now agrees that shockwave (the dangerous types of it, being the one that when a bomb explode rips things around it apart) is nonexisting, and we have to figure out about the debrie flying away from the ship.
Considering the escape pods, easy survival, of flying garbage, every single time a ships explodes, I reccon there have to be somesort of security device to make sure that doesnt get damaged, should it not?...
As you see viru: the unlogic of this situation is not that the slaves would survive in space, or when a ship explode, the possible unlogic in the situation, is ofcourse that the escape pod we travel in survives everytime.
Now, if we can accept that as logical, wich most of us obviously can, we can assume containers containing humans, will have the same sort of security devices as our pods.
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.24 07:49:00 -
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oh darn, forgot about CONCORD. I think people in general are making a big mistake, when assuming CONCORD will have some sort of "good moral".
CONCORD is not as our todays police. They are, as our US fellows would say, prosecuter, jury and judge all at once. Theire Judge dread (if you ever read the cartoons, ignore the movie) a law enforcer, which happyly (well, hes never happy, but you got my point) kills what ever comes in his way, as long as he upholds the principals of the law he enforces.
CONCORD and Judge dread has a moral, though not as we would define "good" moral. neither of them think they should have any other moral, then the pribncipal of the laws they are there to enforce.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.07.24 08:13:00 -
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If CONCORD shoots slavers, will the Amarr Navy start shooting CONCORD? That would be a helluva fun to watch...
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