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Nibarlan
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Posted - 2003.07.23 20:47:00 -
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yea me too it sux @ss, this game realy needs to stop letting mining be the only income source worth the effort.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.07.23 20:54:00 -
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Sod off then.
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Ezri
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Posted - 2003.07.23 20:55:00 -
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It's not the only source of worthwhile income. If your willing to put in the effort then it can potentially be the worsed compared to trading, selling manufactured goods or pirating.
Ez.
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Anan Phitzora
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Posted - 2003.07.23 20:56:00 -
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There are other sources, they just require a little imagination.
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Zorael
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Posted - 2003.07.23 20:59:00 -
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Please define "effort"  
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:01:00 -
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"Please define "effort""
The act of not being a lazy gimp. 
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Malais
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:05:00 -
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Mining is the *worst* way to make money. There are far better, and faster ways to make isk.
Mining doesn't require much in the way of actual work. Point, click, watch tv, set course to station... no wonder it's boring!
Try killin stuff, or trading or making stuff.
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Ezri
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:08:00 -
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"Please define "effort""
Not just clicking a couple of times to acheive a lock on an asteroid, and then firing a mining laser.
Ez.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:11:00 -
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Trading hardly requires effort beyond the first bit of research.
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Sinzer
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:15:00 -
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Rarely mine, make plenty of money exploring and NPC hunting.
Now I am a living breathing agent the game is very interesting, decided to add my own content you see :)
Interested in working for a human agent then check out http://www.explore-eve.net or at least you can get some ideas of what to do while bored of mining!
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Nibarlan
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Posted - 2003.07.23 22:34:00 -
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=) I so happy I know what I'm going to try!
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.07.23 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Intruders on 23/07/2003 23:02:42
Edited by: Intruders on 23/07/2003 22:59:46
I want to see an ex miner here, prefferably a heavy ex miner to confirm that mining is the worst way to make money.
Not just ppl who mined plagioglase for 2 days with crap equipment making zero profit for it.
To explain myself, training your char. properly, you can start from scratch and untill 20 days you could be eraning 3 mil an hour, and you dont even have to go above 0.6 systems to find the ore.
Corporations mine to get their money to do other tasks, and follow other orientations, just show me a corporation that got their innitial funds by being agents, or manufacturers, or loot hunters, or doing other "imaginary" things.
Surelly with the new patch you cant even hunt decent convoys, so scratch that last source of income for a starting corp. besides mining.
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Malais
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Posted - 2003.07.23 23:02:00 -
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I have mining 4, refine 4 and used to mine in an Exe cruiser. 4 miners with drones. With another person running an indi to haul it, I could alone fill a pod while he was dumping one.
The money is there asuming you can find a place to sell the minerals.
That said right now, with around 4 mil of capital to start I can make 2-3 mil per full run trading. I also know of a few nice hunting grounds where 20-30k rats spawn. Hunting with the right skills and mods you can make 1 mil an hour hunting on bounties alone.
Bottom line mining is *THE WORST* way to make money. However because of the poor (IMHO) tuit. n00bs are lead to believe that it is the only way to make money. Check out Vampy's hunting guide on www.evevault.ign.com to see the path to riches via hunting.
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.07.23 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Intruders on 23/07/2003 23:11:31
Which one of these words are difficult to understand? :)
"3 million per hour (and above) from just 0.6 systems".
Hunting with new patch sux. So is piracy, only mining is left, only fun left in Eve is for large corps like RUS and MASS that are at war with each other, I dont see why someone would object with what i am saying.
As for the 30k bounty, you can do this and mine simultaneously.
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.23 23:45:00 -
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It doesnt really matter if mining is the worst, or the best way to do money.
The question I ask my self when i log on:
Do I feel like mining to day?
And, you know? Almost every time, I get the answer:
Nope, not really.
The I do something else. What differense does it make if I make more money today, or not. Main reson for me to play this game, is to have fun. Hence I do fun things, doesnt make as much money, but most deffently have more fun.
Pfft.. Whats the best way to do money? Silly question.
Whats the most fun way making money, is the question people should ask them selfs instead.
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Malais
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Posted - 2003.07.23 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Malais on 23/07/2003 23:50:51
Hrm ok so lets compare. You mine in .6 systems. That means rats. (as well as being boring IMHO) So there is a chance you will lose your ship (as well as a 20day start-up time training skills.)
A n00b can with just a day or two to get indi skill get a loan from one of several corps. that like to act like banks. Intrest rates, collateral ect. After a few runs of robotics(I hate these but ohh well) They have made enough to pay off their indi's as well as pay off the loans for the start-up, indi, and skill packs.
A few more runs and they can make *up-to* (assuming they understand how buy/sell orders works.) 5 mil an hour. I make 3 mil doing what I do. (I don't trade robotics too much hassle.) So less start-up time. No need to train mining ect. And they get to explore. Seems trading is better than mining to me. Course I'm not you. And hunting is not dead. If you know the spots (I don't but my corp does) you can make more than a mil from bounties alone.
BTW all pirate electronics mods have mega in them as well as nox ect. So after an hour or so, you can possibly make more than mining hunting as well.(dunno don't do it don't care.)
I'm not bashing mining just don't want people to believe it is the 'golden' path. It isn't.
Also does that 3 mil an hour include the time it takes to travel to sell the minerals? And btw I want to see you take on a 30k rat with a mining set-up.
Bottom line the paths to isk as of this patch are as follows.
- Mining Easiest way to make isk. Can do it while watching T.V. Boring, and modest payout.
- Hunting High risk, tougher to start out than mining. Always have to watch. Lucritive at higher lvls.
- Trading (No Pks in empire space) High start-up cost. Extreme payout. Most lucritive way to make isk.
- Agents. Since the patch the money from the missions is decent. Missions are nice change of pace.
- Pirateing (PK) Extremely tough. KOS to everything in Empire space, and most 'good' players. Hard to make money.
Course that's just my opinion, and I could be flamed.
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.07.24 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Intruders on 24/07/2003 00:40:05
Personally I find trading boring, although I started as a trader, more money deffinatelly if you know what you're doing but.. I find mining the more steady way of income, which increases as time passing by, fewer dangers can be met while mining, like pirates, buged systems gates stations, because you use the same system, one you chose to, therefore you know what to wait. If I sum up all the profits from me being a miner, than being a trader, in the long run deffinatelly mining is better for profit.
Surely IT IS boring, but you need money initially, lots of it, and a way to get into the game to learn how it works, mining is a very good start, personally I dont see my future as a miner but this doesnt mean I wont earn profits from it, maybe others could mine for me, for services I will be offering to them for instance, future is going to be something totaly different, but to have a future and have it fast, you need lots of steady and reliable income. :)
This is the best way a freelancer can stand on his feet, been playing 1,and a half month and already I can have everythink there is in EVE, and mostly the means and the experience to start new ventures.
Ex. for trading vs. mining while you own a company: you can have reffining and efficiency at 5, and if others mine for you, they earn more this way, in trading, there is no skill that someone else besides you can get some benefits.
P.S. yes you can take up on a 30k npc.
Il end discussion here before they decide to nerf mining some more. :)
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Acuna Traos
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Posted - 2003.07.24 00:56:00 -
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Am I the only person in eve not to have ever picked up a mining laser? and also not to have any alts to supply cash.
People realy need to get alot more inventive in general, being a PC agent is a good example from above :) , but requires a bit more thought to actualy gain isk rather than just give it out. Pk pirating is hard but can pay well, alot of people are just too stubborn to let there isk go.
Why not try setting up a pyramid scheme :) or something or something.
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.07.24 01:05:00 -
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I personally make 2million an hour + loot drops killing pirates.
I dont know why people suck so bad at killing pirates.
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Malais
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Posted - 2003.07.24 01:06:00 -
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Or join a corp and clean them out...
perhaps I have said too much...
And the reason most people have mined is the stupid tutorial. What is the very first thing you do in the tuit? You mine a roid and refine the ore.
The combat part of the tuit is really worthless, when you stop to think about it. It doesn't tell you where to find them, doesn't tell you about the rare drops ect.
No where in it does it mention trading, and the 1st agents missions are goofy. So the main thing that sticks out in anyones mind is the mining part.
BTW I haven't mined for money for over 2 months now. 1st and part of my second week I mined, but found it far too boring....
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.07.24 01:30:00 -
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Yep you re right about that, first thing they force you to learn is mining, primarily thats because they havent thought of ways that people can make money other than that, it would be really cool if they could let you chose a career path by different tuttorials, like some sort of way they did in Earth and beyond, only this time they should include everything from a bounty hunter, trader, mercenary and even a pirate, maybe we l get to see these things far in the future but untill then who knows what other kind of games will be developed. One thing that puzzles me though is that game developers never learn from others mistakes, if they would we could have a more complete Eve by now, what game industry needs is not computer but brain power.
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Alpha Centauri
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Posted - 2003.07.24 02:43:00 -
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a few simple steps for anyone who wants to avoid mining as a newbie job in eve:-
1. Do the tutorial
2. Head to 0.8 sec space
3. Shoot a pirate
4. Scoop the loot.
5. Recycle.
6. Sell the minerals.
7. Buy 2 75mm rails and as much antimatter as you can.
8. repeat the loot/recycle/sell part.
Your very first steps to becoming a looting junkie, totally avoided mining, tried and tested.
I however mine all the time, and no it's not boring, highly deadly and exciting :]
Not so much can be said about the low grade ore, apart from make more of a goal out of it, sometimes its interesting to see an entire field dissapear in a couple of hours, for that though you need lots of mining m8's.
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.07.24 07:21:00 -
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Mining is a high patience job, that isnt enjoyable at all. Trading should me made more profitable, for a thorax with 5 XcEl beams and 8 Harvester drones can make more money in one hour then your "super profitable traders" can.
Believe me
I tried and tested.
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2003.07.24 08:22:00 -
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If I feel sociable, I start my mining alt and mine a bit, chat a lot, use the money to upgrade my gear.
If I get bored with just mining, I load in the combat drones and mine in low sec while killing pirates.
If that becomes boring, I play 'me' until the action and relative solitude (got a 1 member Corp) bores me and I move to mining char again.
Never been bored for more than the few minutes it takes to load my new character :)
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.24 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: IZON on 24/07/2003 09:06:48
I dunno, with all these people knocking mining you'd think there was something genuinely wrong with the profession. 
With the right set up I can mine and kill rats quite effectively. With little effort I can easily turn over 2 mil an hour from Kernite alone (including the time to kill rats and transport the ore). I don't have time to do much else when I log on, so I stick to what I can do best. But that's just me and my lifestyle (I'm a producer and run a business with my girlfriend so I'm surprised I find the time at all)
Because I have a life, I don't have the time to stay on long enough to get terminally bored in the first place, but when I do I generally find that the 0.3 and 0.4 systems supply enough ore and rats to keep me busy.
That's my perspective, it may not work for you, but don't knock it jus' cos you're a power gamer or some bored stiff rugrat on school holidays. The point most of the posts here and elsewhere have missed is that CCP have found a balance for players like me, we can log and still have fun doing what 'tickles' us, and those power gamers who need a bigger challenge can hunt or trade. The real beauty is that I can switch to bigger challenges when I feel ready.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.07.24 10:59:00 -
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As I play seldom, I created an alt for mining purpose...
Pirate killing earn when out of the empire, and untill there, you'll need a lot of cash for that 
Mining maybe boring, but at least you can do other things during it 
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ChaosTEK
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Posted - 2003.07.24 11:01:00 -
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Mining is a high patience job, that isnt enjoyable at all. Trading should me made more profitable, for a thorax with 5 XcEl beams and 8 Harvester drones can make more money in one hour then your "super profitable traders" can.
unless your thorax can make 4mill every 10min it will never be as profitable as trading.
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.07.24 16:30:00 -
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Hey everybody this one claims he makes 4 mil. every 10 minutes straight on.. that would be 24 mil an hour, and around 100 mil for 4+ hours..
Now everybody lets lauph together.. HA HA HA :)
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.24 17:27:00 -
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"Mining is a high patience job, that isnt enjoyable at all. Trading should me made more profitable, for a thorax with 5 XcEl beams and 8 Harvester drones can make more money in one hour then your "super profitable traders" can.
Believe me
I tried and tested."
Then you found a crap trade route.
Unless you're mining Gneiss or higher (which you won't be doing solo), you won't be able to beat trade routes. Even the medium-profit trade routes are 900k+ per 8-jump run (16 roundtrip). That's ignoring the ulra-lucrative Robotics routes and similar ones.
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ChaosTEK
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Posted - 2003.07.24 17:34:00 -
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Never tried trading robotics have you? It's very posible to make 4 mill a run with a full load of it. The only problem is supply and getting as much as you can before everyone else.
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