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ObsidianFear
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:41:00 -
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Hi all, i currently fly a tengu to do L4 with near max Missile, shield tank and support skills.
I'm at a point where i'm not sure what skill to train next and thought maybe a new ship could improve my performance. Any suggestions on what ship i should start training for to carebare l4s or is the tengu pretty much as good as it gets? |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
42
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:51:00 -
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golem?
Get sentry skills and rattle?
Either of those are missile using ships that outclass the tengu |
Organic Lager
ObsidianFear
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:14:00 -
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Is golem hands down better? I was looking into it and most people said tengu was quicker but golem can salvage while running.
I'll check out the rattlesnake, thank you
Any other advise? doesn't have to be a missile boat, just significantly faster at l4s then a tengu |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:24:00 -
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there are some missions where a HAMgu is just hands down the best ship. for long range missions the HML tengu though will get beaten by a navy issue raven.
the golem is ok as long as you use javelin torps and target painters. but compared to a HAM tengu, you are getting a minor improvement in mission times for substantially more clicking (especially if you want to salvage).
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Kodama Ikari
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:26:00 -
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if you're doing missions a CNR or SNI would be natural.
Some first-hand PI tips |
Fozzy Dorsai
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:34:00 -
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I regularly fly a Tengu, SNI, CNR, and Rattler. I do find the Tengu more fun, but generally in L4s my CNR clears the room faster (not true for all, but most). Note that I have as high Cruise skills as Heavy, but it does give you a direction to train.
If you wanted to try something other than missiles then it is often mentioned that the Nightmare is the best gank against Sanshas & Bloods, so if you are in Amarr space this is an option. And, of course, there is the Machariel which many swear is the best PVE ship in all of EVE. I never tried the Machariel, but I have the Nightmare and lets just say that there is a large skill gap between missiles and turrets and a bit of a learning curve to say the least. |
Detenal
Imperial Combat Engineers
Empire of Arcadia
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:58:00 -
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[Rattlesnake, PVE]
Damage Control II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Target Painter II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x10
Hammerhead II x10
Ogre II x5
Garde II x5 |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
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Posted - 2013.03.14 10:18:00 -
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A Rattlesnake is OK, but the drone AI changes mean you will get missions where you are constantly scooping drones to avoid losing them, all the while losing DPS. I used one for a few weeks with T2 Sentries and it just got boring. I tried using a MJD and that was OK, but didn't really help. Pure missile hulls are just better IMHO.
Either a CNR or a SNI (with 3 TPs) is what I use for Lvl 4s now.
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
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Posted - 2013.03.14 11:25:00 -
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Why not get a Machariel? :D |
Roseline Penshar
Enlightened Academy
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Posted - 2013.03.14 11:34:00 -
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i once saw a machariel and a tengu doing L4 the macha can clear the room faster than tengu |
Njaava
Parvis Tribus Siliquis
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Posted - 2013.03.14 11:38:00 -
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"Either a CNR or a SNI (with 3 TPs) is what I use for Lvl 4s now."
How do you fit your SNI with 3 TPs, and does it make that much of a difference compared to just using one? |
Hulasikaly Wada
G.P.S. Global Private Security Agency
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Posted - 2013.03.14 11:39:00 -
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I did fly a lot tengu too ( bot HAM and HML versions ) coming from a Nighthawk
Going away from miissile improves expecially the GANK on frigates/cruisers insta-popping
Machariel with meta 4 800AC if yuo want a fast effective alternative ( buy t1 short range ammo BPOs... )
Nightmare with tachyons imo is the most beauty way to go but start to be skill intensive
Rattlesnake with sentry is the easy game ( and boring too ... )
After Nightmare and Machariel , Vargur and Paladin are 2 great variant ( even if no 100% fast as pirate BSs on missioning )
Hula |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:41:00 -
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Njaava wrote:"Either a CNR or a SNI (with 3 TPs) is what I use for Lvl 4s now."
How do you fit your SNI with 3 TPs, and does it make that much of a difference compared to just using one?
OK, so my SNI fit looks like this:
4 x CN BCU
Pith A Type Shield Booster
Pith A Type Shield Boost Amp
3 x Mission Specific Hardener
3 x RF TP
Cap Booster
6 x CM II
Drone Link
T1 Flare
2 x T2 Rigor
The beauty of the SNI is it's flexibility. With the Rigors and max skills you really only need 2 TPs for most ships. That 3rd TP slot can be swapped on a mission specific basis for something else, if you don't face many elite frigates, an AB or 4th resist for example. I rarely ever use the Cap Booster, but it's great insurance.
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Kane Alvo
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:16:00 -
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+1 for SNI
Even as a 3 month old newb w/ mediocre skills, I can solo any L4 except Angel Extravaganza in this ship. Anyone with decent training should be a boss in this thing. I chose the SNI over the CNR because of the Scorpion's tremendous tank. My missile skills aren't up to par yet, so the extra staying power means I can remain in pockets while my launchers fire the extra reps needed instead of wasting time by warping out.
Below is the fit I use. Swap out hardeners and ammo for mission-specific ones of course:
[Scorpion Navy Issue]
6x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I (Scourge Cruise Missile)
Drone Link Augmentor I
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
2x Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Shield Boost Amplifier I
Damage Control II
3x Ballistic Control System II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
2x Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
5x Hammerhead I
5x Hobgoblin I
12x Cap Booster 800
600x Scourge Cruise Missile
Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP
Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Lord Fudo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:56:00 -
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CNR+MJD or Golem+Range Rigs+T2 Torps. |
Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:15:00 -
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Shadow Lord77 wrote:Why not get a Machariel? :D
^^^ this if you looking for a one ship for all races. I used to love my tengu till I took the plunge.. its a really efficient mission ship.
get each race BS to 4, gunnery support to 4 and with t1 meta 4 guns you will be outperforming your Tengu. Then the long haul to T2 800AC's.
Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
hellcane
Never Back Down
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Posted - 2013.03.14 23:24:00 -
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IMO
Clearing missions
Vargur=Mach>Golem>>CNR>>>>Tengu
Blitz
Mach>Tengu>>*
Ease of operation
Vargur=Mach>Tengu>CNR>>Golem
Marauders have the bonus of fewer guns(easier to keep them fed) and longer range tractors to be able to suck in mission items on cans/wrecks. If you salvage, do it in a noctis. Plan on trying golem again since they changed torps, but the base issues with missiles are still there. |
stoicfaux
2547
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Posted - 2013.03.15 00:42:00 -
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hellcane wrote:
I plan on trying golem again since they changed torps, but the base issues with missiles + tp are still there.
TP management has been improved, one TP for battleships and two for elite cruisers. The biggest issue with the Golem is mainly range, but the MJD helps a little with that.
As for the OP, try a CNR. The Golem still requires having a lot of skills at level V in order to function efficiently.
/obligatory Mach/Vargur is teh uber.
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hellcane
Never Back Down
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Posted - 2013.03.15 01:27:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:hellcane wrote:
I plan on trying golem again since they changed torps, but the base issues with missiles + tp are still there.
TP management has been improved, one TP for battleships and two for elite cruisers. The biggest issue with the Golem is mainly range, but the MJD helps a little with that. As for the OP, try a CNR. The Golem still requires having a lot of skills at level V in order to function efficiently. /obligatory Mach/Vargur is teh uber.
The range was never that big of an issue for me, the cycling of TPs was the deal breaker. That and not being able to pop frigs on inc, instant damage, etc. |
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