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Carth Solette University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:49:00 - [1] - Quote How does ISK enter the game/economy. I'm guessing that it's via npcs but I could be wrong, if so then how does CCP control for inflation?
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 633	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:53:00 - [2] - Quote Ground floor. See you at page 20.
Candy Oshea Techfree Investment Group 221	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:06:00 - [3] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: Ground floor. See you at page 20. Confirmed ground floor, subbed, keen to learn from space economists also. iCandy - Bonds. - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next **** could spell disaster! iCandy Custom Corp Creation & Corp boosting service
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 198	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:30:00 - [4] - Quote Candy Oshea wrote: Varius Xeral wrote: Ground floor. See you at page 20. Confirmed ground floor, subbed, keen to learn from space economists also. Confirming ground floor confirmation. Confirmed. I am an outer space economist. Please confirm.
Candy Oshea Techfree Investment Group 221	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:34:00 - [5] - Quote Alex Grison wrote: Candy Oshea wrote: Varius Xeral wrote: Ground floor. See you at page 20. Confirmed ground floor, subbed, keen to learn from space economists also. Confirming ground floor confirmation. Confirmed. I am an outer space economist. Please confirm. Please see attached attachment, containing confirmation of the above confirmation. The attachment is rectangle. iCandy - Bonds. - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next **** could spell disaster! iCandy Custom Corp Creation & Corp boosting service
Kara Books Deal with IT. 446	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:59:00 - [6] - Quote Carth Solette wrote: How does ISK enter the game/economy. I'm guessing that it's via npcs but I could be wrong, if so then how does CCP control for inflation? NPC gives liquid ISK bounties and rewards, from buying trade goods and reselling them down to Mission running and ratting in lowsec, the list is long... There are allot of ISK sinks in the game, from Market taxes down to NPC goods trade goods. CCP manages inflation and deflation, they have a very good team over there watching everything like a Hawk :praise:
Chelly Tau Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.03.15 03:26:00 - [7] - Quote Carth Solette wrote: How does ISK enter the game/economy. I'm guessing that it's via npcs but I could be wrong, if so then how does CCP control for inflation? Have a read at the old QEN, pretty charts inside. Then look at the stuff these EVE devs posted: CCP Dr.EyjoG CCP Recurve CCP Diagoras
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 199	Posted - 2013.03.15 03:45:00 - [8] - Quote Candy Oshea wrote: Alex Grison wrote: Candy Oshea wrote: Varius Xeral wrote: Ground floor. See you at page 20. Confirmed ground floor, subbed, keen to learn from space economists also. Confirming ground floor confirmation. Confirmed. I am an outer space economist. Please confirm. Please see attached attachment, containing confirmation of the above confirmation. The attachment is rectangle. Confirming attachment received. attachment was indeed attached. Confirming the confirmation containing confirmation of the above confirmation was received along with a rectangle. please allow 3-8 business years for recursive processing. Now I have nothing to do. Please Advise.
Samroski Games Inc. 168	Posted - 2013.03.15 04:10:00 - [9] - Quote Alex Grison wrote: Now I have nothing to do. Please Advise. In that case could you please put your shirt back on? Happiness is a warm gun, mama.
Aliventi Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 32	Posted - 2013.03.15 07:57:00 - [10] - Quote Everywhere and nowhere.

Quinzel Nikulainen Kokako Acquisitions 70	Posted - 2013.03.15 10:23:00 - [11] - Quote When two MD posters love each other very much...
Caerfinon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 51	Posted - 2013.03.15 10:28:00 - [12] - Quote Carth Solette wrote: How does ISK enter the game/economy? ISK wakes up every morning at his room in the Arctic Comfort Hotel in Reykjav+¡k and has a light breakfast in the coffee shop. Ready to face the day, he gets a A+¦alst+¦+¦in-BSH taxi over to CCP HQ. After having another coffee with some of the Devs he makes his way through a small doorway in the back of a second floor janitorial closet and is deposited directly into the market in Jita 4-4.
shar'ra matcevsovski Ministry of War Amarr Empire 360	Posted - 2013.03.15 10:45:00 - [13] - Quote Carth Solette wrote: How does ISK enter the game/economy. in: -NPC Bounty-¦s -Mission rewards -Insurance out: -PLEX/GTC-¦s -market/contract taxes -CSPA charge -Skillbooks -BPO`s -Bans/isk removal by CCP (mostly RMT related) Carth Solette wrote: I'm guessing that it's via npcs but I could be wrong, if so then how does CCP control for inflation? I-¦m not saying they dont, but seeing the crazy infaltion that took place in the last cple of years they havent done a very good Job. However they increased prices for BPO`s and Skillbooks to fight inflation. Power of two is probably also meant to decrease the infation rate shar'ra phone home
Candy Oshea Techfree Investment Group 224	Posted - 2013.03.15 11:15:00 - [14] - Quote Caerfinon wrote: Carth Solette wrote: How does ISK enter the game/economy? ISK wakes up every morning at his room in the Arctic Comfort Hotel in Reykjav+¡k and has a light breakfast in the coffee shop. Ready to face the day, he gets a A+¦alst+¦+¦in-BSH taxi over to CCP HQ. After having another coffee with some of the Devs he makes his way through a small doorway in the back of a second floor janitorial closet and is deposited directly into the market in Jita 4-4. what does he do after he goes to Jita 4-4? iCandy - Bonds. - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next **** could spell disaster! iCandy Custom Corp Creation & Corp boosting service
Samroski Games Inc. 169	Posted - 2013.03.15 12:18:00 - [15] - Quote Samroski wrote: Alex Grison wrote: Now I have nothing to do. Please Advise. In that case could you please put your shirt back on? Thank you for utilizing your time constructively. Happiness is a warm gun, mama.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1216	Posted - 2013.03.15 13:00:00 - [16] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: out: -PLEX/GTC-¦s You were doing so well, then you hit this one! Plex do nothing to ISK other than move it. It also leaves via: Insurance payments (The net is inbound though) The LP store (when you have to pay isk as well as LP) Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
shar'ra matcevsovski Ministry of War Amarr Empire 361	Posted - 2013.03.15 14:17:00 - [17] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: out: -PLEX/GTC-¦s You were doing so well, then you hit this one! Plex do nothing to ISK other than move it. It also leaves via: Insurance payments (The net is inbound though) The LP store (when you have to pay isk as well as LP) I thought for a second u buy the plex of CCP with ISK, my bad. I did mention insurance tho shar'ra phone home
Haulie Berry 280	Posted - 2013.03.15 14:25:00 - [18] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: out: -PLEX/GTC-¦s You were doing so well, then you hit this one! Plex do nothing to ISK other than move it. It also leaves via: Insurance payments (The net is inbound though) The LP store (when you have to pay isk as well as LP) Missed sov bills, office rent, clones, too.
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 201	Posted - 2013.03.15 15:55:00 - [19] - Quote Samroski wrote: Samroski wrote: Alex Grison wrote: Now I have nothing to do. Please Advise. In that case could you please put your shirt back on? Thank you for utilizing your time constructively. They kept saying this to me. IT took me so long to realize that they were being sarcastic.
Blecktalk Morwoop Ordo Ouroboros 3	Posted - 2013.03.15 20:53:00 - [20] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: out: -PLEX/GTC-¦s You were doing so well, then you hit this one! Plex do nothing to ISK other than move it. Eh... by my calculations, plex account for about 20% of the total transaction and broker fees daily. We're talking about 25 billion isk in transaction taxes and broker fees every day from just plex.

Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1216	Posted - 2013.03.15 22:12:00 - [21] - Quote Blecktalk Morwoop wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: out: -PLEX/GTC-¦s You were doing so well, then you hit this one! Plex do nothing to ISK other than move it. Eh... by my calculations, plex account for about 20% of the total transaction and broker fees daily. We're talking about 25 billion isk in transaction taxes and broker fees every day from just plex. I guess you /could/ take that as being plex. But it's an indirect method. It's really use the fees and taxes already mentioned. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Caerfinon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 52	Posted - 2013.03.16 00:47:00 - [22] - Quote Candy Oshea wrote: what does he do after he goes to Jita 4-4? Sadly ISK spends his entire time changing orders by 1/100th of himself every few minutes....
Lux Imperator Soimii Patriei Nulli Secunda 32	Posted - 2013.03.16 01:36:00 - [23] - Quote I guess the best ISK sink is PvP. Especially those guys carrying PLEXes with their industrial capital ships getting blown up. It is true, stupidity has no boundaries .
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1216	Posted - 2013.03.16 01:40:00 - [24] - Quote Lux Imperator wrote: I guess the best ISK sink is PvP. Especially those guys carrying PLEXes with their industrial capital ships getting blown up. It is true, stupidity has no boundaries . Unfortunately, this is a material sink, not an isk sink. No isk leaves the game when this happens. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Carth Solette University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.03.16 11:05:00 - [25] - Quote Thanks guys.
MailDeadDrop Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities 156	Posted - 2013.03.16 12:46:00 - [26] - Quote Lux Imperator wrote: I guess the best ISK sink is PvP. Especially those guys carrying PLEXes with their industrial capital ships getting blown up. It is true, stupidity has no boundaries . Not only is PvP not an ISK sink, it actually drives an ISK source: insurance payouts. PvP causes material to be destroyed (directly) and ISK to be created (indirectly via insurance). Steve Ronuken wrote: Unfortunately, this is a material sink, not an isk sink. No isk leaves the game when this happens. Not sure why Steve said "unfortunately" though... MDD
GreenSeed 249	Posted - 2013.03.16 14:56:00 - [27] - Quote i think is very clear where does it come from, whats more interesting is where does it go. i guess the number one sink must be SOV bills (all of SOV claimed), second sink must be corporate offices, and a far third sales tax, with NPC corp tax as fourth. my point is that the biggest sinks are on organizations rather than on individuals, if there's so much inflation the best way to fight it would be taxing individuals more. and by inflation lets not draw parallels to irl inflation... unlike on eve in real life currency doesn't grow in trees. now, raising sales tax is a bad idea, or at least one that will **** off far more people than another hike on NPC tax... shall we now turn this into yet another "nerf highsec" thread?
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1218	Posted - 2013.03.16 17:37:00 - [28] - Quote MailDeadDrop wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Unfortunately, this is a material sink, not an isk sink. No isk leaves the game when this happens. Not sure why Steve said "unfortunately" though... MDD Isk sinks are good, they make remaining isk worth more. Material sinks are bad, they make remaining materials worth more (and isk worth less) I also don't like telling people they're wrong. I'll do it, but I don't /like/ doing it. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1218	Posted - 2013.03.16 17:40:00 - [29] - Quote GreenSeed wrote: i think is very clear where does it come from, whats more interesting is where does it go. i guess the number one sink must be SOV bills (all of SOV claimed), second sink must be corporate offices, and a far third sales tax, with NPC corp tax as fourth. my point is that the biggest sinks are on organizations rather than on individuals, if there's so much inflation the best way to fight it would be taxing individuals more. and by inflation lets not draw parallels to irl inflation... unlike on eve in real life currency doesn't grow in trees. now, raising sales tax is a bad idea, or at least one that will **** off far more people than another hike on NPC tax... shall we now turn this into yet another "nerf highsec" thread? While it's out of date: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf suggests skill books are one of the largest sinks in the game. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 692	Posted - 2013.03.16 21:39:00 - [30] - Quote Carth Solette wrote: How does ISK enter the game/economy. There are 2 theoriesgoing around now: 1) A stork brings it to mommies & daddies after 9 months of waiting 2) When daddy loves mommy he gets this twinkle in hiseye after a fifth of Jack Daniels & puts his yahoo into mommies hoooha & 9 months later a bouncing babyISKie pops out OK kidding aside use google & search for ISK faucets: here is a good link of both faucets & sinks: Its the Economy stupid Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8

Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 346	Posted - 2013.03.16 22:23:00 - [31] - Quote Blecktalk Morwoop wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: out: -PLEX/GTC-¦s You were doing so well, then you hit this one! Plex do nothing to ISK other than move it. Eh... by my calculations, plex account for about 20% of the total transaction and broker fees daily. We're talking about 25 billion isk in transaction taxes and broker fees every day from just plex. Think about what you are typing, because it is making you look ********. Plex are not an isk sink in the slightest. If a plex is destroyed, no isk is lost. If a plex is created, no isk is lost. Plex are not purchased from an NPC, so no isk is lost. Plex are not sold to npcs, so no isk is created. MARKET TRANSACTION TAX is the sink. Holy crap dude. Edit, apparently returded, spelled properly, is a bad word, and we shouldn't be saying things that will make mentally handicapped people feel like they aren't special snowflakes.
Benjamin Arthie Zephir Investments 3	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:26:00 - [32] - Quote Isk comes out of grendel's assholes and enters VV's Whatever i just said is complete bullshit.
Mark Rain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.03.17 13:21:00 - [33] - Quote CCP is the Federal Reserve and the players are the government....got it now? LOL
Vargan Armer Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2013.03.17 14:47:00 - [34] - Quote When two isks love each other very much...
Felicity Love STARKRAFT 336	Posted - 2013.03.17 16:34:00 - [35] - Quote ISK comes from a magical land called "NULLSEC", where no-one ever grows old and the people are always happy, and dancing , and friendly to strangers. Really, really. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Zyshh University of Caille Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.03.17 16:43:00 - [36] - Quote I think Uncle Chribba has a printing press out back... amazing what you can do with those old "Quafe" coupons they hand out by the barge-load in the Gallente slums.
Bugsy VanHalen Society of lost Souls 510	Posted - 2013.03.18 20:14:00 - [37] - Quote I find isk makes a very nice bonfire. the high tech ink creates very unusual colors when it burns. looks like a rainbow...
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 214	Posted - 2013.03.18 20:49:00 - [38] - Quote Bugsy VanHalen wrote: I find isk makes a very nice bonfire. the high tech ink creates very unusual colors when it burns. looks like a rainbow... I just wanted to let you know, during your tour of Grison Interstellar our records indicate that you visited one of our breakrooms. The sugar cubes on the left aren't just sugar.
Lord Lorin Tech IV Industries 0	Posted - 2013.03.19 12:18:00 - [39] - Quote I think Planentary interactions is also a big ISK sink. Some of it could be counted as tax. 1. When you use NPC custom office in high sec the tax is 10% for export 2. When you build a new Planentary station it will eat like 5 - 20m ISK depending on your skills and the PI setup Tax in gerneral will be one of the biggest isk sinks in eve.
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 219	Posted - 2013.03.19 15:30:00 - [40] - Quote Lord Lorin wrote: I think Planentary interactions is also a big ISK sink. Some of it could be counted as tax. 1. When you use NPC custom office in high sec the tax is 10% for export 2. When you build a new Planentary station it will eat like 5 - 20m ISK depending on your skills and the PI setup Tax in gerneral will be one of the biggest isk sinks in eve. They need a srs ammount of money for jump gate fuel.

Blecktalk Morwoop Ordo Ouroboros 3	Posted - 2013.03.19 19:33:00 - [41] - Quote Arronicus wrote: Blecktalk Morwoop wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: out: -PLEX/GTC-¦s You were doing so well, then you hit this one! Plex do nothing to ISK other than move it. Eh... by my calculations, plex account for about 20% of the total transaction and broker fees daily. We're talking about 25 billion isk in transaction taxes and broker fees every day from just plex. Think about what you are typing, because it is making you look *******. Plex are not an isk sink in the slightest. If a plex is destroyed, no isk is lost. If a plex is created, no isk is lost. Plex are not purchased from an NPC, so no isk is lost. Plex are not sold to npcs, so no isk is created. MARKET TRANSACTION TAX is the sink. Holy crap dude. Edit, apparently returded, spelled properly, is a bad word, and we shouldn't be saying things that will make mentally handicapped people feel like they aren't special snowflakes. Don't be returded*. I never said it was an isk sink. I'm just explaining it's the single largest contributor to what is universally agreed upon being an isk sink.
Kara Books Deal with IT. 456	Posted - 2013.03.19 22:00:00 - [42] - Quote Its better to have 1 hand on the PLEX then 2 in the pants, therefore the only logical solution to this theory is that PLEX is the biggest ISK sink because it exists.
Boom Boom Longtime EVE Corporation 6908469858 337	Posted - 2013.03.19 22:31:00 - [43] - Quote A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted.
Kara Books Deal with IT. 456	Posted - 2013.03.19 23:02:00 - [44] - Quote Boom Boom Longtime wrote: A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush I stand corrected.
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 223	Posted - 2013.03.19 23:07:00 - [45] - Quote Boom Boom Longtime wrote: A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush A hand in the bird is like fish in the bush
Boom Boom Longtime EVE Corporation 6908469858 338	Posted - 2013.03.20 09:48:00 - [46] - Quote Alex Grison wrote: Boom Boom Longtime wrote: A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush A hand in the bird is like fish in the bush How does one's hand get into a bird and how does an aquatic creature that can't traverse land end up in a bush ? Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted.
Samroski Games Inc. 177	Posted - 2013.03.20 17:11:00 - [47] - Quote Boom Boom Longtime wrote: Alex Grison wrote: Boom Boom Longtime wrote: A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush A hand in the bird is like fish in the bush How does one's hand get into a bird and how does an aquatic creature that can't traverse land end up in a bush ? Both are rare and undesirable outcomes. Alex's way of saying that though he lost big when plex crashed, he's still got a sleeve up his ace. Happiness is a warm gun, mama.
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 230	Posted - 2013.03.20 17:42:00 - [48] - Quote Boom Boom Longtime wrote: Alex Grison wrote: Boom Boom Longtime wrote: A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush A hand in the bird is like fish in the bush How does one's hand get into a bird and how does an aquatic creature that can't traverse land end up in a bush ? You will find that weird things start happening to and around you when you first start taking collaterol. These anomalies are normal and should pass within 20 years.


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