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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1114
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Posted - 2013.03.15 07:46:00 -
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Found a gravimetric site. Omber belt, nothing fancy, but Isogen is hard to come by in Ammatar space so I'm mining it anyway. After a while a single rogue drone shows up, a Silverfish Alvi. One drone. A scout?
I launch my own drones and leave them in a defensive orbit around my ship. No reason to jump the gun, this barge has enough defensive systems to totally ignore a dozen drones. Not worried.
But then nothing happened, and now I'm worried.
It had seriously been over thirty minutes since it had shown up and the rogue drone had done nothing but fly in an odd pattern between 15km and 25km from my barge. It obviously knew I was there. Yet it did not attack. It is just... sat there. Thinking. Watching. Waiting.
When I left it was still there. Figured if I had actually met New Eden's first ever non-hostile rogue drone then it would be a really asinine move to destroy it. Now I'm wondering what to do next... try to talk to it? Offer to trade nuts & bolts?
Has anyone else ever had this happen? What should I do?
EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
702
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Posted - 2013.03.15 10:58:00 -
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Do not mistake non-aggression for non-hostility.
The wise individual proceeds with caution. If you're going to attempt to communicate (which I recommend against, by the way), do so from a safe range with long range broadcasts.
~Malcolm Khross
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Aaron Canis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.03.15 11:25:00 -
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Quote:Do not mistake non-aggression for non-hostility.
The wise individual proceeds with caution. If you're going to attempt to communicate (which I recommend against, by the way), do so from a safe range with long range broadcasts.
Very sound advice. However, if it is a friendly, no telling how valuable that information/drone may be.
I'd follow the previous advice that was given and if you want to attempt contact, do so at your own risk. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
37
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Posted - 2013.03.15 12:55:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:When I left it was still there. Figured if I had actually met New Eden's first ever non-hostile rogue drone then it would be a really asinine move to destroy it. Now I'm wondering what to do next... try to talk to it? Offer to trade nuts & bolts?
I commend you for not killing the poor creature.
Maybe this can be a first step towards diplomacy with these magnificent but misunderstood creatures. |
DeadRow
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Suddenly Spaceships.
63
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Posted - 2013.03.15 13:00:00 -
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You should have destroyed it. Anyone who thinks that any sort of 'peace' with the Drone is on more Mindflood than a Snake tester.
It probably had a bug in it's targeting array. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
336
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Posted - 2013.03.15 13:54:00 -
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Two options can have happened:
a)It considered your force overwhelming and has developed some sort of self-preservation that prevented it from attacking you until its allies came.
b)It was only flawed and bugged in its programming, which is consistent with flying in odd patterns, and its mind was "crazy", to use human terms.
Both things are solved by preventive destruction of the beast. If they had stopped being aggressive they would have said it, one way or another. They know of our tendency to shoot, so just waiting wouldn't work on the majority of pod pilots and, thus, would be a very bad tactic for a "first encounter".
If such a pacific encounter is even possible for them, which I doubt.
Sepherim Catillah
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign
Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1308
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Posted - 2013.03.15 13:58:00 -
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DeadRow wrote:You should have destroyed it. Anyone who thinks that any sort of 'peace' with the Drone is on more Mindflood than a Snake tester.
It probably had a bug in it's targeting array.
I don't know man. I've heard stories about rogue drones just watching people before, hell even sending out data bursts sometimes. Not ALL of them are vicious killers. Some of em just wanna exist and don't want trouble.
I even think I heard about someone finding a communicative Rogue Drone Mind somewhere out there....didn't want much but it talked. Didn't shoot. Just..talked.
I wouldn't discount a dialog with the Rogue Drones yet.
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DeadRow
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Suddenly Spaceships.
67
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:05:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
I don't know man. I've heard stories about rogue drones just watching people before, hell even sending out data bursts sometimes. Not ALL of them are vicious killers. Some of em just wanna exist and don't want trouble.
I even think I heard about someone finding a communicative Rogue Drone Mind somewhere out there....didn't want much but it talked. Didn't shoot. Just..talked.
I wouldn't discount a dialog with the Rogue Drones yet.
Whatchoo Talkin' 'bout, girl?
All communication bursts that I've heard been transmitted have been hostile in nature. If you'd care to show me some proof that some of them 'just wanna exist and don't want trouble' then I might change my opinion on them. The quiet ones are the ones you have to been most careful of, after all. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1308
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:23:00 -
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DeadRow wrote:Anslo wrote:
I don't know man. I've heard stories about rogue drones just watching people before, hell even sending out data bursts sometimes. Not ALL of them are vicious killers. Some of em just wanna exist and don't want trouble.
I even think I heard about someone finding a communicative Rogue Drone Mind somewhere out there....didn't want much but it talked. Didn't shoot. Just..talked.
I wouldn't discount a dialog with the Rogue Drones yet.
Whatchoo Talkin' 'bout, girl? All communication bursts that I've heard been transmitted have been hostile in nature. If you'd care to show me some proof that some of them 'just wanna exist and don't want trouble' then I might change my opinion on them. The quiet ones are the ones you have to been most careful of, after all.
I'll look up the system for you and see what I can find.
P.S. I'm not a girl.
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
633
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:31:00 -
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Ms Luftschreck;
I have had similar experiences. I understand how confusing it is.
If you would like help or advice I will be happy to provide. I would also like a copy of your flight recordings if possible, to help in my analysis of rogue drone behaviours. It may help in offering explanation for your case.
- S |
DeadRow
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Suddenly Spaceships.
68
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:32:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
I don't know man.
Sorry, thought it was opposite day. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
255
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:38:00 -
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DeadRow wrote:Anslo wrote:
I don't know man.
Sorry, thought it was opposite day.
I'd like to interject in this for a second with a totally non-constructive piece of info.
I just laughed so hard I cried a little.
That is all.
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Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1308
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:47:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:DeadRow wrote:Anslo wrote:
I don't know man.
Sorry, thought it was opposite day. I'd like to interject in this for a second with a totally non-constructive piece of info. I just laughed so hard I cried a little. That is all.
We'll be here all week. Tip your waitress.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2496
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Posted - 2013.03.15 15:02:00 -
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Rogue drones don't stay in one piece long enough to creep me out. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1117
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Posted - 2013.03.15 16:49:00 -
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It happened again! Different omber belt, but yes... another Silverfish Alvi, hovering 15-20km away and not doing anything. I'm staring at it right now, in fact.
EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
39
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:59:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:It happened again! Different omber belt, but yes... another Silverfish Alvi, hovering 15-20km away and not doing anything. I'm staring at it right now, in fact. I think it's starting back.
Probably the same one.
Its like a stray dog that wants an owner. :) |
Esna Pitoojee
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
255
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:18:00 -
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Or its targeting systems went bonkers.
Or its threat-recognition programming wasn't working right.
Or its sensors were just dead.
Just playing the Deciever's Advocate here, there are a lot of technical reasons a single Rogue might fail to engage you on sight. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
517
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Posted - 2013.03.15 19:03:00 -
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I don't think a single rouge drone is trying to make peaceful contact, it's probably broken, best to just ignore it, eventually it will run out of energy and deactivate. I don't think shooting it would be a good idea as that could cause a swarm to appear, though if you have the means of disposing a swarm, then put the pathetic thing out of it's misery.
I've tried "communicating" with these pest before and all I got as a reply was "Biological entity detected! Exterminate! EXTERMINATE!" in binary, followed by a salvo of lasers of course.
Rouge Drones were accidents of science. They aren't even living and their consciousnesses seems to be nothing more than an aggressive hive mind. If you can kill one, show no mercy.
If these abominations that have claimed so many lives want peace, they would make a better attempt than just one drone meeting up with a random miner in a fairly secluded asteroid field.
I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2221
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Posted - 2013.03.15 19:12:00 -
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I've seen drones act in a similar manner once before, except it wasn't just one of them, it was an entire hive fleet. Dozens of them, just sat there, only a hundred clicks off my port bow, in full view of a Sisters of EVE deputation. But do you know what the creepiest part of it was? Sister Alitura, the woman in charge of the SoE taskforce not only wasn't frightened by this turn of events, she wasn't even surprised - she just told me "hold your fire. Do not aggress. Trust me on this one," like what we were seeing was the most natural thing in the world. Then, the moment I had finished my business with the SoE, they just warped out. All of them. Not a single shot fired, not a single targetting signature on any of the human ships. No communication, no violence, no action of any kind. They just sat there, watching us.
Mane 614
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1118
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Posted - 2013.03.15 19:29:00 -
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If a rogue drone can turn away from pointless war... maybe we can too.
EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
93
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Posted - 2013.03.15 19:47:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:If a rogue drone can turn away from pointless war... maybe we can too.
Oh goodie. We went from a technological anomaly, possibly caused by damage to the targeting array, IFF systems or any other of the dozens of critical systems an aggressive drone would need to a shining beacon of hope for mankind, ascending from base hostility to some greater enlightened state humanity has yet to reach.
I'm so glad people here aren't prone to jumping to outlandish conclusions, or this could have gotten crazy or something.
Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third.
Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds.
The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush
Threat Level: lol |
Eric 'Swiftmind' Siraron
EVE University
Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2013.03.15 20:30:00 -
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Hmm interesting. Perhaps it is observing, but for what purpose remains unseen. Drone programming is complex. If only one could capture it and do diagnostics. I would be quite interested to experiment with such a drone. I have not witnessed this behavior from rouge drones but I do live far from Amarr space.
--áEric 'Swiftmind' Siraron
Engineering, research and business student at the prestigious Eve University.
Owner and founder of a small private mining, refining and trading business called Swiftly Processing. |
Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
92
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Posted - 2013.03.15 21:12:00 -
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Pilot Luftschreck.
Should these events repeat themselves during one of Our online cycles, We would request that we be allowed to observe the aforementioned activity.
This change in activity may be valid evidence of further evolution within Hive Alvus' operational parameters.
We Return |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1122
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Posted - 2013.03.15 21:51:00 -
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Ummm... yeah... well ok. Both times were inside gravemetric Omber sites in Ammatar space. Both times it was a single Silverfish Alvi. Oddly enough both sites also contained what looked to be the wreckage Caldari research stations that had apparently been destroyed by "spatial rifts" that seemed to be focused inside the station wreckage.
Hmmm... you don't think they might be investigating that do you? Because that would sound a lot like trying to understand the foundations of wormhole technology... and if that's true, then maybe all those Sleeper conspiracies may be right.
This gets curiouser & curiouser.
EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
397
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Posted - 2013.03.15 23:58:00 -
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I don't see why non-aggressive behaviour can be ruled out as being intended. I applaud Miss Luftschreck for not shooting the drone. Let us hope the drones will learn that peaceful coexistence is a possibility.
Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
2905
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Posted - 2013.03.16 02:32:00 -
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I am thinking the drone is wondering why she hasn't sent over the flowers and candy. It obviously wants a date...Dinner dancing a movie....maybe a lil Kal and Rogue cuddling..
M.
Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó
-á |
Sepherim
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
337
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Posted - 2013.03.16 02:38:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:If a rogue drone can turn away from pointless war... maybe we can too.
We're humans, we kill eachother since long ago, and we will still do it for a long time. It doesn't have to do with a drone (which, by the way, belongs to a "race" that wants to kill us as well) but on who we are, on our darkest side. We have better sides, of course, but as of now this darkness hasn't been taken away.
So no, we can't. Not yet, at least.
Sepherim Catillah
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign
Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:17:00 -
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Rouge drones are not people. They are machines programmed only to kill and destroy. Their only function is to serve their hive (or the hives if all rouge drones are a collective entity).
These drones can build themselves mind you. If they wanted peace, they would of created a drone specifically for communicating with us. This is more like walking into the Summit fully armed and pointing your gun at everyone.
While I cringe a little every time one of my own drones "die", they are not people and never will be. What more the rouge drones? If they are anything like us, then they only have our bad traits. Hate, violence, greed, etc. The first drones that went rouge were military drones mind you. Their primary directive has always been and always will be to kill.
My advice, is to call in some back up and kill the thing, then wait to see if it's death triggers the arrival of a swarm. Then gun the swarm down.
Like I said earlier, even if the drones wanted to bring about a new era of peace, they wouldn't send a random drone to the middle of a less frequented asteroid field to stare at miner that likes to go there. I'd imagine that if they wanted peace, they would first establish direct contact with one of the Big Four, or CONCORD if the Drones are truly intelligent.
I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
643
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:32:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Rouge drones are not people. They are machines programmed only to kill and destroy. Their only function is to serve their hive (or the hives if all rouge drones are a collective entity).
These drones can build themselves mind you. If they wanted peace, they would of created a drone specifically for communicating with us. This is more like walking into the Summit fully armed and pointing your gun at everyone.
While I cringe a little every time one of my own drones "die", they are not people and never will be. What more the rouge drones? If they are anything like us, then they only have our bad traits. Hate, violence, greed, etc. The first drones that went rouge were military drones mind you. Their primary directive has always been and always will be to kill.
My advice, is to call in some back up and kill the thing, then wait to see if it's death triggers the arrival of a swarm. Then gun the swarm down.
Like I said earlier, even if the drones wanted to bring about a new era of peace, they wouldn't send a random drone to the middle of a less frequented asteroid field to stare at miner that likes to go there. I'd imagine that if they wanted peace, they would first establish direct contact with one of the Big Four, or CONCORD if the Drones are truly intelligent.
You anthropomorphise, sir.
Rogue Drones follow the utility function of their decision network. Their utility function differs from ours in an unknown manner. This does not imply hate, a desire to destroy, or any negative trait.
This is a complex problem for which the social mechanisms of our minds are poorly suited. Please, keep the discussion on the nature of the Rogue Drone issue technical, or it will become confused.
Thank you, sir. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2013.03.16 05:00:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:
You anthropomorphise, sir.
Rogue Drones follow the utility function of their decision network. Their utility function differs from ours in an unknown manner. This does not imply hate, a desire to destroy, or any negative trait.
This is a complex problem for which the social mechanisms of our minds are poorly suited. Please, keep the discussion on the nature of the Rogue Drone issue technical, or it will become confused.
Thank you, sir.
I believe you have misunderstood what I said. It was less focused on the actual workings of a Rouge Drone and more on the silliness of thinking they suddenly want peace or deserve respect and compassion.
I am no expert on the technical aspects of Rouge Drones, but I can certainly confirm that they are not programmed to play nicely.
I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
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