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Necro Merc
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Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 19:33:00 -
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So how about this.
Killmails are a way of saying "I was there"
I'm just going to outline the idea, it's not perfect but it's an idea I think would be beneficial to the game.
Killmails no longer give an exclusive list of aggressed pilots.
Instead, they give a list of EVERYONE that was in a fleet where someone in that fleet dealt damage or projected EWAR.
Now my reasoning for this:
You have to be committed to the cause of winning, if you are going to be a solo cloaky scout, logistics, bait, interdictor among other things. You won't get a lot of killmails doing the above, but you are still contributing and in some cases being the reason for the kill in the first place.
If it were changed to list people in fleet, along with a list of damage dealers, everyone involved would be visible. This presents a couple of disadvantages.
Spy characters couldn't be used for warp ins on enemy fleets/targets without the risk of being uncovered (this could be a good or bad thing depending how you look at it)
It would play away from the brilliant human emotion of greed, people not following FC target calling in an effort to killmail ***** is a weakness in a fleet that I think is a good thing.
I may have missed something, I'll re-read and edit if necessary a bit later.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:08:00 -
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I'll use low-hanging fruit for my example here.
If I'm part of a fleet that's in Uedama ganking freighters, but I myself am in Jita, does that mean I'll be on the killmail too?
Will I have to be in space, or can I be docked, spinning my ship? |
Necro Merc
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:16:00 -
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Yeah that's a good question.
Because you could say "only people in system"
But then it excludes dictors that jump through gates after bubbling, or scouts for example which could even be in a different region. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:31:00 -
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As it currently stands, killmails show a list of all the parties who were actively involved in a kill. That seems to be enough. If you're going to restrict it to people being in-system, that works too. In the case of dictors, you could add someone to a kill if they launched the bubble someone got caught in. |
Necro Merc
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:41:00 -
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As it currently stands if you jump out of system you are no longer recorded on the mail if the target dies.
I.e. a freighter on a gate, you brawl it into half structure and he jumps to the other side and your friends finish him off. You won't be on the killmail.
That's how it currently works, my idea would be to change it to not be limited to system, or even region. But I think being undocked and in fleet are fair parameters.
You could record on the killmail where people were and whether they actually did damage as it currently does anyway. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1591
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:42:00 -
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boosters are certainly missing. But what i would like to see are more details in general. Things like who pointed first, who shot first, hits/misses, how long someone was jammed etc.
kill reports are eves version of "match statistics" so i would like to see more details.
a eve-style bounty system (done)-á
dust boarding parties
You fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:42:00 -
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No. It needs to go in the opposite direction. KMs should only show the person dealing the final blow.
Everyone has like a 99% kill ratio these days. Nobody's impressed other than yourself. It's an utter joke.
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Necro Merc
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 21:35:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:No. It needs to go in the opposite direction. KMs should only show the person dealing the final blow. Everyone has like a 99% kill ratio these days. Nobody's impressed other than yourself. It's an utter joke.
I definitely get where you're coming from. But it's 3rd party killboards and the way they display information that makes the whole 99% efficiency thing.
I'm hoping CCP have an ingame solution to displaying killmails on the way. But a way for it to seperate the situations where it's a gank (like 10 dudes on a gate killing a lone BC) vs skirmishes where it might be the same 10 dudes engaging a fleet of 100 (even though all 100 might not be on grid).
I think you should get some sort of props for situations like that. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2013.03.16 22:36:00 -
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Necro Merc wrote:sabre906 wrote:No. It needs to go in the opposite direction. KMs should only show the person dealing the final blow. Everyone has like a 99% kill ratio these days. Nobody's impressed other than yourself. It's an utter joke. I definitely get where you're coming from. But it's 3rd party killboards and the way they display information that makes the whole 99% efficiency thing. I'm hoping CCP have an ingame solution to displaying killmails on the way. But a way for it to seperate the situations where it's a gank (like 10 dudes on a gate killing a lone BC) vs skirmishes where it might be the same 10 dudes engaging a fleet of 100 (even though all 100 might not be on grid). I think you should get some sort of props for situations like that.
Third party displays 30 ppl on kb because CCP's km displays 30 ppl, when it should only display one - the person made the kill.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1591
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Posted - 2013.03.16 22:53:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:No. It needs to go in the opposite direction. KMs should only show the person dealing the final blow. Everyone has like a 99% kill ratio these days. Nobody's impressed other than yourself. It's an utter joke.
topic was kill reports not killboards. you can do with the information whatever you like, the way how most killboards display them is one option. i personally do not care about kill boards, but having more data after an engagement is definitively a nice thing to have.
a eve-style bounty system (done)-á
dust boarding parties
You fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Pan Dora
Stardust Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:35:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:No. It needs to go in the opposite direction. KMs should only show the person dealing the final blow. Everyone has like a 99% kill ratio these days. Nobody's impressed other than yourself. It's an utter joke.
I think nobody will be impressed about high final blow/death ratio also.
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Necro Merc
Origin.
Black Legion.
6
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Posted - 2013.03.17 04:01:00 -
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Pan Dora wrote:sabre906 wrote:No. It needs to go in the opposite direction. KMs should only show the person dealing the final blow. Everyone has like a 99% kill ratio these days. Nobody's impressed other than yourself. It's an utter joke. I think nobody will be impressed about high final blow/death ratio also.
Definitely.
I think it would be good for the game to be able to discern when people are working together as it doesn't do this at the moment.
If you've got 1 dude whoring on a jumpfreighter kill in hisec with his ibis, he gets the full benefit of the value on his killboard, but again that's just because there's no way to differentiate them.
Granted I only thought of this idea today, but I think having a way of recording who was in what fleet on a killmail would be good and give killboard apps something to work with as far as presenting the data.
But I still think an in-game public kill record is the way to go. |
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