So, is the Gallente Federation going to turn over the people who planned and paid for this act over to the State for trial?

I think an accounting for all funds used for certain terrorist groups on Caldari Prime might be in order.

Giving sanctuary to such terrorists may be a casus belli, perhaps?

Unlikely, considering Heth has been openly employing the Templis Dragonaurs recently.

So, is the Gallente Federation going to turn over the people who planned and paid for this act over to the State for trial?

I think an accounting for all funds used for certain terrorist groups on Caldari Prime might be in order.

Giving sanctuary to such terrorists may be a casus belli, perhaps?

STRIKE!

give them what they deserve. Gals!

DEATH TO THE SQUIDS.

Given Roden's recent revelation that supposedly insane immortal troops exist should cause you to question whether these death squads really are working for the Federation.
Heth seems to be using these groups of yet unaffiliated death squads to stir the Caldari people into racist hatred for the Gallente, another step on his power trip no doupt.

I would stand back and trust in the SSOE to complete a full investigation alongside the Gallente investigation before believing in Heth's accusations

Disturbing developments. All nations are capable of atrocities however, the Federation isn't immune to bad decisions, and until evidence has surfaced that implicates Heth I'm going to have to remain cautious in regards to what unfolds.

Given Roden's recent revelation that supposedly insane immortal troops exist should cause you to question whether these death squads really are working for the Federation.
Heth seems to be using these groups of yet unaffiliated death squads to stir the Caldari people into racist hatred for the Gallente, another step on his power trip no doupt.

I would stand back and trust in the SSOE to complete a full investigation alongside the Gallente investigation before believing in Heth's accusations

Excellent news on the bombing of their headquarters. Dear Rus Kartaka, the situation was so under control you've been crushed to death by thousands of tons of concrete, metal and glass . Tsk, Tsk... how tragic. I hope the Resistance continues its successful campaign against the opressors and wish them good luck on future operations.

Let's fight on, brothers and sisters.

Yes, we support terrorists.

Stop playing the victim, it is unbecoming of you.

No terrorism here I'm afraid. It was a successful attack at a military building and personnel. This wasn't the work of terrorists, this was the work of freedom fighters fighting for their homes and families. it was an at of insurgency.

If this had happened years ago before the planet was taken hostage and the building was a mere embassy then the terrorism label would apply.

The headquarters of the occupational forces was filled with enemy combatants, had strategic military value and was a juicy target.

The Scope Galactic News Network would like to apologize to all our viewers for the sudden break in of a druken Militaman on station leave.

To the Federation citizens in this thread; you shouldn't have thrown your hand down this early.

Really?

First, while Federal citizens may have carried out this attack, the idea that all Federal citizens were in on it is, well, insane. Second, this is unlikely to be a grand plot of the government; it looks an awful lot more like the State has been encountering resistance on the ground from the people it is holding planet-bound. This is unsurprising; Caldari partisans did much the same a couple centuries ago. If you hate us for our sins, I suggest you learn from our mistakes.

And the non-combatants that make up over half the deaths? Your own people?

If the Federation is responsible for such atrocities, we will most likely conduct investigations and trials within our own country. However, I am sure the Federal Government would be willing to negotiate the turn over of these terrorist and murderers once apprehended.

If you are hoping for reparations however, I don't believe you will get very far in your demands. If it is confirmed that these acts were committed by groups that are not directly affiliated with any entity within the Federal Government then we don't owe you anything but our condolences.

Shut up you media ****. Go on hide in some warm studio in saftey and do your news posting while the real man do the job. Like the Gals on Luminaire did!

DEATH TO THE SQUIDS!

I find this Gallente admission that this was a deliberate act of war to be refreshingly honest.

How about we not let one individual speak for the entirety, hm? Particularly one as...terse as this one.

Unknown soldiers shoot Black Eagles. Unknown soldiers attack Caldari installations. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but it is clear that someone has access to a lot of ressources, and the will to use them.

Or several someones. Emergent crowd behavior is more likely than a single string-pulling puppet. Nonetheless, this is all troubling.

Excellent news on the bombing of their headquarters. Dear Rus Kartaka, the situation was so under control you've been crushed to death by thousands of tons of concrete, metal and glass . Tsk, Tsk... how tragic. I hope the Resistance continues its successful campaign against the opressors and wish them good luck on future operations.

Let's fight on, brothers and sisters.

While I have no love for the Provists, this is unfortunate. Did the terrorists who committed this act even both to think how many innocents might be in that tower before committing such a horrific act?

Shut up you media ****. Go on hide in some warm studio in saftey and do your news posting while the real man do the job. Like the Gals on Luminaire did!

DEATH TO THE SQUIDS!

In any community, there will be those who are intemperate. Regardless, the rank and file are cheering on the destruction.

It is a bit difficult to claim non-responsibility when your own people are cheering in the streets.

I wonder how long it will take Gallente merchants to start selling Shintoko Tower explosion t-shirts?

Even now, between news reports I am running missions for the Federal Navy.

You bloodthirsty militiamen are not freedom fighters, you are just glorfied thugs looking for a fight. You care not of the Federation or the Republic, just destroying the Empire and State.

I see the Galmil is up to it's usual shining standard.

Acts like these are a beacon to the Caldari people, uniting us in the face of oppression and the homogeny of Federal rule. Whether this will be enough? I am not qualified to say. But it is my sincere hope that as Caldari, as concerned citizens, we can put aside our intra-national factionalism for long enough to give a good account for ourselves, should this situation devolve to the point where our intervention is a foregone conclusion.

CONCORD has rightly sworn off of involvement at present, and rightly so. This will be decided by strength of arms, dedication and a firm grasp of your own ideals.

To the Federation citizens in this thread; you shouldn't have thrown your hand down this early. Trouble at home will not get in the way of Caldari working together against an external threat. We're Caldari. 'Trouble at home' is a day in the life of - intra-factional conflict is a way of life, though admittedly not usually on the scale and intensity seen recently. As I have said, we may not prevail, but you'd have paid a lesser toll in blood and tritanium-alloys than you will as a response to this heavy handed posturing.

Nothing good will come of this.

This is not an activity to be lauded with praise and rallying cries of "fight on," this was an act of terrorism. Terrorism is not limited to non-military targets Mlle. Mekhana. Terrorism is any use of violence or threats to coerce or intimidate, especially for political reasons. If you claim it was an act of insurgency, imagine the number of civilians now in danger because a group of insurgents decided to bomb a military headquarters.

These kinds of actions will make the situation even worse for those living on Caldari Prime, Caldari and Gallente alike.

So, if a 102 story building on Gallente Prime happens to topple, and terrorists responsible are discovered to be hiding in the State, you will be OK with a strictly Caldari judicial review of the matter?

I find this Gallente admission that this was a deliberate act of war to be refreshingly honest.

while you were flying some "mission" against some pirate scum at some redundant place of the galaxy the truly glorious Gallente Militia has taken the whole System of Ladister and Heydieles for the Federation. Another important step towards driving Caldari presence from the borders of our homelands.

It's still technically part of the Federation but for all intensive purposes it belongs to the State.

I'd like to see evidence supporting the claims made in regard to these supposed "innocent" casualties. While I don't doubt that this action resulted in collateral damage, it seems clear that care was taken to mitigate the death toll in the destruction of the CPD HQ. If this bomb had gone off during the middle of the business day, the casualties would likely have exceeded tens of thousands, not the eight hundred or so reported in the article.

Mekhana was right to point out that this was a military headquarters, and CPD personel are absolutely enemy combatants. The distinction between "freedom fighters" and "terrorists" has always been a blurry one, but I have found that their choice of targets is a good place to start.

This is a curious position, if I may ask, what makes you say that? Caldari Prime was officially ceded to the State via treaty after the One Day War. How do you mean that its still 'technically' apart of the Federation? As far as [Caldari] law is concerned, all Gallente citizens dirt side are extradites.

Terrorism is not limited to non-military targets Mlle. Mekhana. Terrorism is any use of violence or threats to coerce or intimidate, especially for political reasons.

My apologies. Whenever I get riled up by the ignorance of people, especially from my own beloved Federation, I tend to mix up the facts. This is why The Scope has me mostly delivering opinions rather than actual news.

You are correct, the State controls Caldari Prime in every respect, however there is still considerable Federation influence both on the planet and outside of it.

These systems you fight for are worthless. The citizens of any one of the Empires don't notice any considerable change when you capture these discarded low security systems. Meanwhile, I help protect civilians from threats not to far from their homes. People in the Federation and the State are very grateful for my assistance. Afterall, a considerable pirate threat in the same system as you are is rather alarming!

And I would hardly call the Gallente Militia Glorious. You are not the brave soldiers and naval men of the Gallente war machine. You are more like dogs fighting for discarded scraps of rotten meat from the butcher shop.

Also, despite my citizenship with the Gallente Federation and flying a Gallente Ship I was fired upon by your militia not too long ago. Clearly you are not interested in the well being of my country, you are just interested in finding people to kill. You are not valiant heroes fighting for the Federation, you are just privateers. Nothing more than glorified pirates.

You've already made quite a fool out of yourself. I suggest you leave and never return. I will simply ignore your idiocy and I advise others to do the same. Feel free to keep running your mouth, but you won't get a response from me. I have more important matters to take care of than argue with a degenerate booster addict.

Could you be any more vain and self congratulatory? Honestly, at this point I'm not surprised to hear you complain about FDU pilots shooting at you.

Condemn Spiritus Draconis pilots for their acts of piracy if you like, but combat in low security space is hardly as clear cut as you seem to think. I can't count the number of times I've been attacked by supposedly "neutral" pilots while engaged in tactical operations in the Warzone. The only rational operating procedure is to shoot first and ask questions later. I've managed to keep myself in CONCORD's good graces through occasional law enforcement action, but any time spent repairing negative security status is time spent away from the the Front. It is easy to sympathize with pilots who decide not to bother.

You may choose to demonize their actions, but I see things differently. Unless I mistake your position, you seem to be content to let Federation citizens rot under the bootheels of the State Protectorate, or you believe that systems under their control see no noticeable oppression. Having lived there, I beg to differ. Pilots like Mekhana and Mabego Tetrimon have chosen to defend those citizens even if it means exile from the comfort you enjoy in High Security space. Despise their methods if you like, but their necessity should be clear to all Gallente patriots.

Intriguing definition of terrorism you have there. By that standard, you've just accused the Caldari State of being a terrorist nation.

Why? Well there's this Titan that they deployed during the One Day War to coerce the Gallente government into a quick ceasefire with threats of unleashing it's weaponry on the surface of Gallente Prime. A threat which remains in place to this day

By your definition, that would be a use of threats to coerce for political reasons

I'm sure my complaint wouldn't surprise you. Afterall, the FDU shoots and kills both "enemies" and Federal citizens on a regular basis.

I've admittedly never spent much time in low-security space. Primarily just to pass through between Null and High, but I've seen and done enough there to have a pretty firm grasp of how it works. Neutral pilots may have opened fire on you, however your shoot first policy is simply unacceptable if your true nature is to protect the Federation and it's citizens. However, we both know it is not. Even the Provist forces on Caldari Prime are attempting to only fire when a threat is confirmed. However the FDU , comprised mostly of pirates who aren't successful working freelance, simply shoots everyone under the justification that "war is war".

In case you haven't notice, I have been frequently and rather aggressively been condemning the policies and actions of the Caldari State, both in regard to their own nation and the Federation. However, that doesn't mean I have to be as willfully ignorant as you are. My beliefs regarding the State have always been "I hate it's government but love it's people." Maybe it's because I am half Deteis or that I've actually lived several years of my life in the State or that I think level headed about these things, or both.

And once again, how can you claim to be defending Gallente citizens when you just admitted to your thug like policy of shooting anyone that flies by regardless of nationality and affiliation? Also, while I do enjoy the comforts of High-sec, I prefer life on the Null frontier where I found that my skills as a capsuleer can make the greatest impact. I am currently inbetween corporations however even when I am flying in null, I keep a jump clone in High security space for running errands or the occasional pirate hunt. I will certainly find more use of it now that The Scope is using me for opinion based columns.

As capsuleers, we must try to analyze these events not independently, but in relation to each other. Things are getting worse and worse fellow capsuleers. Proper discussion of these unfortunate events is necessary in order to stop, or at least be prepared for the storm that has already begun to brew.

I'm not talking about "shooting anyone that passes by" although I readily acknowledge that some pilots do.

I'm talking about having "neutral" capsuleers jump into Outposts being actively contested. These actions are overtly hostile, but not flagged by CONCORD as criminal action. Not shooting first simply grants the opposing pilot the ability to engage at their optimal positioning. This is just one example of the myriad of underhanded tactics I've witnessed by "law abiding" mission runner types who come to Low Sec looking for fights from Militia pilots who don't have the time they do to slaughter hapless pirates for Navy Agents.

Clearly you don't understand this combat situation, as I said, or you would have at least acknowledged my viewpoint instead of ranting at me. As for the rest of your overblown ad hominem attacks, I'm just as willing to "ignore such idiocy and advise others to do the same." You can either continue this discussion in a more polite tone, or this will be the end of it.

Good day, Sir.

Prudent advice. A decade late, but prudent. Some of us have felt the wind grow cold for quite some time now.

Here's another tip. Stay away from any place with its own natural gravity well. You'll know why when it happens.

Curious, wouldn't you define using the lives of civilians as hostage a form of terrorism?

Even so, you do not respond to terrorism with more terrorism. You certainly don't praise it.

Blather.

I SAID GOOD SAY, SIR!

Thank you. I hope to at least alleviate the issue and mass media is always a good way to get my message across. But it is very disheartening that there are people in this galaxy that seem to want to tear it apart when it's already nothing but scraps.

And I will heed your advice. Not sure why, but I have a nagging feeling that I should.

Great minds dress alike.

That's a 'no,' then? Ah well, it was worth a try. I don't see a lot of cheering from the masses on my end but I suppose you would understand the ebb and flow of the Gallente populace more than I.

Yeah, I was thinking about what you said when I saw that advertisement.

It's completely disgusting. It's so hard to say "I am Gallente" with pride if this is what being Gallente means these days.

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And that nightmare scenario would leave no side as the victor, be it Caldari Military, Gallente Military or Civilians of any allegiance.

I had intended my t-shirt comment as a jibe at the Federation, and perhaps an angry and poor joke as well.

And then someone takes it up as a good idea?

I am surprised at the depths some folks will go to.

One person, and a capsuleer to boot. Whom, I might add, has been ridiculed and chastised by other Gallente.

As I stated originally, don't let a single person speak for the populace. Only a fool does.

The belittlement and generalization of even our enemies is hardly an honorable profession. While the capsuleer selling t-shirts is disgusting, I know a number of honorable and righteous among the Federation who show how unequivocally foolish such poor rationalizations go. There is no honor in mudslinging.

It always seems that you come in at the right time to say just the right thing.

But yes, be it Gallente or Caldari, the actions of a few must never define the whole. It seems that our concept of a majority rule (in voting at least) and your concepts of a greater good seem to work well together in this case. Our two societies aren't as different as you might think, it's a shame conflict began between our two nations. As capsuleers we can either make it worse, or make peace. I hope for the latter.

Kind but undeserved words, there are at least a few who will fervently disagree with that notion.

The conflict between our people is not in the intent of our systems but cultural refusal of each others chosen path. The Caldari and Gallente stride down different road which led us to very different beliefs in how things should be done and often violent clash's when our paths intersect. Our existence [the Caldari] was forged through hardship, self sacrifice and survival of the whole at the expense of the few. The great good of the whole often means sacrifice.

I believe in the cause of peace, and I will continue to strive to insure that we reach it some day. The world I live in today is not the world I want for my daughter.

i dont wish to post myslf, but one thing that have stuck me is... who gains to destabilice the State and the Gallante, to keep them at each other throats. So what Empire have the resources etc to do this, The Amarr, imply couse it will drive the State to being more dependent of the Amarr, and it will Keep the Gallantes eyes fixed on the State... maybe its a way for the Amarr to be able to escalate things egainst the Republic ? ... well its a thought and i haveno proof, just my logics and reasoning

It is addressed to Federation citizens "in this thread" because that is who I am addressing with the point. It really isn't that hard to understand.

Nothing lasts

Your point is to accuse those of us who happened to read along of being involved? Perhaps we could take this from the top, as your explanations seem to me to be making things less clear.

One person, and a capsuleer to boot. Whom, I might add, has been ridiculed and chastised by other Gallente.

As I stated originally, don't let a single person speak for the populace. Only a fool does.

Much less an obvious Caldari plant. The capsuleer in question is a graduate of the State War Academy and has been in the FDU for barely 24 hours. I suppose I forgot to mention earlier when a certain foolish journalist was bloviating about the Militia that half of the pilots in it are renowned to be enemy infiltrators, who's actions should be suspect at all times.

Are you trying to discredit the FDU?

With all due respect monsieur, the militias are composed of capsuleers. While some of us have the loyalty, conviction, dedication, sense of duty and discipline to perform as a functional military arm, many of us are mercenaries out for the greatest advantage in either ISK, resources, kills or even bragging rights. Even worse, some outright use the militias as a shield for blatant acts as marauders and pirates. I learned most of that in grad school, and it isn't hard to verify when one looks at the activity of the militias.

It is wise to judge the militias not as a whole, but as separate parts within the whole. Some individuals, corporations and alliances are worthy of praise for their efforts and dedication while others deserve naught but ridicule and spite.