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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.08.24 15:45:00 -
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I have had many great times in Eve cos of friends made in game that I have come to trust
But unfortunatly there are some people that seem to think it's ok to abuse trust in general and spoil the gaming experiance for people.
Allow me to explain...
I played eve for hours on end and neglected my bird during a lot of this time but did she get stroppy and kick me out ?
NO. Being a cool bird she adopted a "if you cant beat them, join them" attitude. 
I stopped the training on my production alt (long live The Power of 2 offer) and me and my GF sat down together and made her character, a sweet looking minnie girl with a long and cute bio called Ms littlelightblueuggs (named after her favorate RL boots  How girlie is that)
Here is where I will cut a long story short, she met differant guys in the world of eve and one of them a character called neo7 became a good on-line eve buddy of hers and then as time went on a friend of mine too.
He also ended up joining the corp that me and my girl was in with some other mates, things went on ok for a while till she tells me that neo7 has been useing her credit card to pay for his eve sub for 6 months after she had helped him out during 1 month when he would have had to stop playing cos of not being able to pay electronically.
Ok, Ok, dont give out your C.C. info I hear you cry, and yes you are right, but after knowing this person for almost a year when my girlfriend asked for this money back she got a list of excuses and then neo7 left the corp and has not been around to "chat" to since.
We are off on hols in RL for 5 months very soon (so will be away from the game) and it's no coincidence in my mind as to the timing of neo7's little dissappering act 
So not only has he stolen money from my GF he has also has left a nasty feeling with her about the game, and as many guys know when they see a pretty female eve-face it's nice to discover that the person behind it is not a 40 year old virgin or a 12 year old boy with a personality problem, but a real live female that is clever and sassy enough to handle the kind of banter that goes on in corp chat and TS a lot of the time 
To put this in perspective Uggster HATES The Bone Collectors, Tundragons, Teddybears and Nemisis corp (cos they used to gank him in syndicate when he was a n00b) but if the man behind Uggser ever met any of these guys or girls in RL I'd buy them a drink and discuss eve and ganking tactics, Yes even you Akan CEO of Nemisis  , unfortunatly this would not be the case with neo7.
So...all in all I am making this post to warn others of a guy that is not just being "in-game sneaky" and scamming an escrow or 2 or robbing some ore but someone who will actually exploit friendships made ingame with the nicest of the eve players for personal gain.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.24 15:48:00 -
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Ive not done this before, but the most obvious way of paying for gametime for friends would be to buy them an EVE gametime card. Not giving them your CC info.
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Gias Soreno
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Posted - 2005.08.24 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Gias Soreno on 24/08/2005 15:50:47
Fair enough, as you've said you realise you shouldn't have given out your CC details. Not the best of ideas though is it?
*edit* I get your point though. The guy's a complete ****. Burn him alive I say. Dunno how muhc luck you'd have proving that it wasn't you that used your card details. IP's maybe?
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Guvnor RBM
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Posted - 2005.08.24 15:49:00 -
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Small claims court mate, and CCP would have his contact details from when "HE" paid, thats if he ever did and not scamed some one else...
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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.08.24 15:49:00 -
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Yes mate, 20/20 hindsight, but thats not really the point.
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BoBoZoBo
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Posted - 2005.08.24 15:50:00 -
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Someone is learning the fact of life.
You learned with money, the other thing you never trust with anyonelse is you girl. Dont make the same mistake twice.
And to hell with you theiving ex-mates.
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Firebreak
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Posted - 2005.08.24 15:55:00 -
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I know you already realize you should have given your cc out. My recommendation is to have it cancelled right away so a new card can be issued and no more damage can be done. (If you haven't already that is)
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.08.24 15:55:00 -
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hope you cancelled your cc then, and yeah - not the best idea to give cc info to strangers. Trust really is a horrible thing across the barrier of the web.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.08.24 16:12:00 -
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Did she give the actual credit card details to him?
Or just sign on using his name, and enter them into the eve online account page herself.
If she entered them herself, the guy wont be able to see the numbers, however he could still fund his account etc. A guy I knew had a similar problem a while back, and after speaking to CCP they stopped the payments going through using that CC info. Maybe she could try that, before going to the drastic measures of cancelling it,
However if the guy has the actual details, she have no choice but to cancel it. Best of luck, and hope she learned from her mistake
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Troezar
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Posted - 2005.08.24 16:29:00 -
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Sorry to sound harsh but giving your CC details to someone online no matter how long you've known them is just stupid. The older you get the more you realise that the world consists of nice smart people, nice not so smart victims and smart nasty people (the not so smart nasty people don't last long ). The nastier ones are a very small minority but they are out there just looking for victims, don't give them a chance.
Remember:
If you can't knock on their door and give them a kicking for not paying up don't lend them money
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.08.24 16:53:00 -
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I know Ms littlelightblueuggs in Eve and can tell you she is a nice person. Anyway, if I do see neo7 in the future, and somehow do pass by him, considered him popped for free ;s
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xiphia
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:18:00 -
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didn't you even get any contact details? like a phone number even? i mean you don't really know whats happened to the guy his pc could have screwed up or something or he could have even go into an accident.
i mean its common sense not to give those kind of details out to ANYONE.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:22:00 -
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Hmm, Neo7 bought my old Typhoon from me. Not all that relevent, except to show that the character is at least active in the game. I just happened to look up who it was that had kindly boosted my wallet.
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.08.24 19:20:00 -
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You made a stupid mistake and learned a lesson. That's the unfortunate reality. I'm surprised you even posted this. The 'rules' of a game do not follow the 'rules' of life, it is after all a game.
Certain precautions always prevail, such as never give out your CC. Sorry to hear you got shafted.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.08.26 05:04:00 -
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Cheers Jenny.
And as so far as "I dont know why you are posting this" It's cos I am a far less nicer person that the one that has been coned in this situation, and I know the guys real name and address (but I would not print it here cos that would be beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned).
Mr oh-so-wise. Trust is a comodity that can only be traded once, I know this, and the reason
I am posting this is cos someone close to me was hurt, I hope that you have someone close enough one day to feel the same way and if you do then you would also do the same.
Half a continant is to far for the money involved.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.08.26 05:48:00 -
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.26 07:17:00 -
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You can reverse the cc payments as stolen cc info... go see your bank... CPP will not be happy and will probably launch a fraud investigation agaisnt that user.
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Emarald Sween
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Posted - 2005.08.26 08:49:00 -
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I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you guys. The thing is, as long as there are nice people around, there will be jurks to exploit them.
But don't be disapointed. This is a good lesson to be learned. Think about it, it could've been worse.
Anyway, remember that there are still good people on this earth. They are only hard to find.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.08.26 08:57:00 -
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Quote:
Most credit card companies, while disputing liability, will pay out if someone loses money because of fraud or unauthorised use. Some will pay out if foreign goods bought on credit turn out to be faulty. But they insist that the consumer must try and sort the matter out with the trader first.
Your girlfriend gave Neo7 the authorisation to use her credit card details for at least one payment so I am not sure where you stand legally to claim it back.
Any further use of the credit card would fall under the rules quoted.
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Jags
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Posted - 2005.08.26 09:07:00 -
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Legally you may be a bit borked in trying to get a refund from the CC company , but you may as well try.
As far as I can gather from speaking to a few of the legal bods around here its 50/50 whether we would pay out on this one but in their opinion it is best to submit a claim and then get told no.
Also cancel that card asap. You dont know what else he may be putting on it.
Bit of a daft mistake to make there giving someone your CC details but its something thousands of people do every day and it usually results in a lot worse than 6 months subs to eve being done on it.
IMO CCP would be interested to hear this as well , why not submit an evemail to the mods (dunno if a petition would do any good tbh as this is in effect a RL issue not an in game one)
Good luck in getting yer cash back , by all means try every means possible but i wouldnt hold out any great hope and just write the cash off and move on. If you get it back then it is a bonus and you can then take your good lasy out for food and beers on it
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.26 09:20:00 -
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if u live in the same country try small claims corp - dunno how u will go - still never never give out CC details its just askign to be ripeed off i have met 3 people in eve already who have had best friends (other friends take their credit cards and use for fraud) one guys BS even got 5 years in jail for fruad.
At least here in australia we can get a smartcard with photo ID - and a PIN number (which to make purchases u need to use) so if someone doesnt have the PIN then they are stuffed.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.08.26 10:12:00 -
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You know, if this was me, I would already have made arrangements to have this guy "sorted out", either by myself or anyone close by.
It's one thing to make a mistake yourself and get butchered for it; you accept it as a ****ty thing and move on. But it's different to see someone you love be betrayed like that. The protective instincts kinda turn on, yah? Which is why I, after exploring legal options, would consider alternative approaches.
This may sound like I'm encouraging "street justice", but I tend to think of it as a retro-active way to protect those you love.
P.S. Please note that I'm a terrible person in-game, and frequently associate with similar scumbags. I, however, differentiate real life from online life. CC theft is below me. Robbing a corporate hangar and ruining the game for a dozen people is not. Neither is hunting down newbies for more than a week in order to force them out of the game just so that I'll get paid by a contractor, or in some cases for practice.
Evil? Maybe. But being the predator beats being the victim, by far. EVE is a duplicate of real life without all the little barriers society has erected to protect us.
I get the feeling Neo7 mixed the two up, however... either that or he really is a slimy little maggot. I mean, come on! Credit card fraud? Might as well pickpocket tourists in London. If you want to scam someone, it always works better to manipulate their greed than trust. Plus you can always claim poetic justice and sleep proper at night.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.26 10:14:00 -
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in eve certain ebil things that are within the game and allowable ie corp theft alt spies etc are ok . But u need to remmeber RL isnt a game and real life fraud - theft etc and this guy has basically broken the law hope it works out for u
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.08.26 11:41:00 -
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Hrrm I used to be in Deathstar with Neo7, never struck me as the type to not pay stuff back.
I'm guessing the account has been 'passed on' since that time.
Was your Neo7 from manchester?
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.08.26 12:46:00 -
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See kids? This is what happens when you trust people online.
If you really gave your CC details to him you should be happy he didn't ram a $5000 bill down your throat.
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2005.08.26 12:54:00 -
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I've come close to paying for some of my friends to play but they've always managed to find the cash before it was too late.
Small claims? The amount you'll spend on that will outweigh the amount the guy nicked.
I've done exactly the same with my missus, though. Have to spend a lot of time stopping her from going to teh dark side by subbing her with free ceptors:)
Also be very careful introducing your girl to a bunch of 12-40 year old males who spend most of their time infront of a PC. Because they may try and steal her from you 
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John Stye
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Posted - 2005.08.26 13:28:00 -
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The problem isn't that you gave someone your credit card info in an attempt to help them out, I applaud such compassion...
The problem here is you gave it to someone named neo7...red flags were all over this situation, but that was the first...
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Belshamarothx
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Posted - 2005.08.26 14:09:00 -
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Erm, I may be wrong but I don't even think the OP is actually looking for sympathy/advice on this situation.
As I read it its an information post, highlighting a RL mistake (for compassionate reasons) and posted as a warning to others so they do not make the same mistake.
Is it not possible to maybe sympathise with the OP but leave it at that?
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Virida
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Posted - 2005.08.26 14:34:00 -
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use gamecards! you can simply give the number on the card in either email or inside eve, simple and safer.
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Judas Jones
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Posted - 2005.08.26 14:35:00 -
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Trust is a fragile thing, your first priority, imo, is to make sure your girl friend does not loose faith, betrayl in real life sucks. Try and petition this with CCP, if they don't view ebayers with love and affection then I'm sure they shouold not look upon this indidvidual with a kind attitude.
Eve is secondary tho, just make sure the g/f is doing alright, best to you both.
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