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Markus Reese Incertae Sedis 323	Posted - 2013.03.20 23:04:00 - [1] - Quote Since the navy still would have power over all transit systems, would be silly to, for example, turn off fw or faction npc flagging. With all the tools at FW disposal, possibly can have a "Call to arms" Where NPC staging base can open a jump bridge into caldari prime. Gives a good target too, take out whatever might happen, take out jump bridge, etc. If caldari win, they can go home. If they lose, they are better off dead anyways. Just a thought to bring caldari supporters easier into the fight.
Caellach Marellus Aideron Technologies 734	Posted - 2013.03.21 00:00:00 - [2] - Quote The downside is that IIRC all the highsec Cyno Jammers are under CONCORD control. Enjoy your gaming. http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com
Skilfer Azizora Nova Corps Marines Group Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6	Posted - 2013.03.21 00:48:00 - [3] - Quote The area has already been flagged as a danger zone by CONCORD. This could in theory provide the basis for a conflict to take place without fear of CONCORD intervention ;) This is just an assumption of course, but I feel that it is all too convenient.
Dex Nederland Lai Dai Infinity Systems The Fourth District 140	Posted - 2013.03.21 01:39:00 - [4] - Quote I think the reference is actually the fact that there is a Gallente High-Sec system between Luminaire and Caldari Space and anyone with -5 Gallente Federation standing or in the STPRO will cause the spawning of Fed Navy NPCs in both systems. Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Skilfer Azizora Nova Corps Marines Group Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6	Posted - 2013.03.21 01:48:00 - [5] - Quote Dex Nederland wrote: I think the reference is actually the fact that there is a Gallente High-Sec system between Luminaire and Caldari Space and anyone with -5 Gallente Federation standing or in the STPRO will cause the spawning of Fed Navy NPCs in both systems. Be sure to remember that Luminaire is also the home system of Gallente Prime. The only part of the system that belongs to the Caldari is that one planet, Caldari Prime, so it makes sense that there would be Federation Navy NPC in Luminaire.
Xindi Kraid The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 153	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:53:00 - [6] - Quote I can imagine ongoing conflict in the system could cause the Federation navy's coverage in that system to become spotty. They can make the navy stop spawning in that system outside of certain areas then militia can fly in in pods while a third party drops off war materials in the stations.
Evi Polevhia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 91	Posted - 2013.03.21 04:04:00 - [7] - Quote "They can do this" and "They can do that" The problem is I don't think they can. At least not on this time table. I'm just guessing here but I think if Eterne/Falcon -could- shut off the FW rats from taking out any Caldari Militia that try to come help....I don't think they would, and I don't think they could. I mean it sucks massively. After Algogille and now Luminere, it seems like the Caldari Militia have no chance to defend the State. But then again, they are doing this inside Federation territory. There is no earthly(or otherwise) reason why it should be easy for a Caldari Militia taskforce of any kind to pop over into Federation space to assist the Titan. Once again I know it sucks, but there isn't a reason why it should be easy or fair. You wanna talk fair? You at least have a Militia to fight for. My peeps in EVE are a plot device isk faucet. Tell me about suck and fair. :) And second point the point on whether or not they could. I could be wrong but I don't think they have stated yet whether or not this is technicly possible for them to do. Over the last year the rallying cry at CCP has been "OH GOD OUR PROGRAMMERS GOT LOST FOR FIVE DAYS IN THE CODE". There has never really been a reason to have a "Turn Off FW In This System" button installed, and last I checked Falcon is not a super ultra mega programming wizard. I do however recall him once mentioning that even they are subject to the rules of the game. There are certain things coded in that are simply rules that they do not have the ability to break. CCP cannot currently have a titan use stargates. They cannot cyno into cynojammed systems. Etc. So asking them to rip out FW rats on a temporary basis is something that is theoretically possible, but probably not possible to get coded right any time this expansion.
William Loire Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction 25	Posted - 2013.03.21 05:23:00 - [8] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: Edit: If the Militia -reeeeaaaally- want to get in, I do have a suggestion. I am not fully up on how FW rats behave. If they will spawn in with you on grid no matter where you are to try to kill you then this won't work. BUT. Maybe try and get an non-Militia friendly Orca to move in ships. But do not meet in/on a station. Have a pre set safe spot offgrid from everything. Have the Milita come in in pods (Quickly so other plays don't kill you). Meet up with the orca. Press button, recieve ~~bacon~~ ships. This does not work. The Federation Rats spawn on any grid in Luminaire without repercussion, including the grid with the Caldari fleet on it. The Caldari fleet does not appear to attack the rats and the rats will focus solely on you.Even as an Amarr combatant with, not so terrible Gallente standings, I cannot participate in this event despite my desire to aid the Caldari fleet.
Evi Polevhia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 91	Posted - 2013.03.21 06:57:00 - [9] - Quote William Loire wrote: Evi Polevhia wrote: Edit: If the Militia -reeeeaaaally- want to get in, I do have a suggestion. I am not fully up on how FW rats behave. If they will spawn in with you on grid no matter where you are to try to kill you then this won't work. BUT. Maybe try and get an non-Militia friendly Orca to move in ships. But do not meet in/on a station. Have a pre set safe spot offgrid from everything. Have the Milita come in in pods (Quickly so other plays don't kill you). Meet up with the orca. Press button, recieve ~~bacon~~ ships. This does not work. The Federation Rats spawn on any grid in Luminaire without repercussion, including the grid with the Caldari fleet on it. The Caldari fleet does not appear to attack the rats and the rats will focus solely on you.Even as an Amarr combatant with, not so terrible Gallente standings, I cannot participate in this event despite my desire to aid the Caldari fleet. How strong are the rats? Can they be tanked or delt with by a strong coordinated group? If not then I sugguest dropping corp if you can asap, otherwise.....Shrug It's enemy territory. Sorry. =/
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 1080	Posted - 2013.03.21 07:00:00 - [10] - Quote Well you can't your standing don't allow for it... but you can make an alt
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 1146	Posted - 2013.03.21 10:53:00 - [11] - Quote Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers? Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008.
Mabego Tetrimon Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis 8	Posted - 2013.03.21 11:24:00 - [12] - Quote i just wonder how one of our FW-members can camp Jita and get all these kills http://spdr.eve-kill.net (look up Dav Varan #3 on killboard....direct link not working for whatever reason)
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 1080	Posted - 2013.03.21 11:42:00 - [13] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers? The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 1147	Posted - 2013.03.21 12:15:00 - [14] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers? The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp If the Gallente want to take down the titan, they will want capitals there themselves. To get them there, they need to turn off the cyno jammer. This in turn will open a window for the Caldari Navy to react. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008.
Caellach Marellus Aideron Technologies 736	Posted - 2013.03.21 13:01:00 - [15] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers? The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp If the Gallente want to take down the titan, they will want capitals there themselves. To get them there, they need to turn off the cyno jammer. This in turn will open a window for the Caldari Navy to react. This is based on two things. 1: The Gallente needing to bring in Capitals from outside and not having them in Deadspace all along. 2: CONCORD turning off the Cynojammer for them if they asked anyway. Enjoy your gaming. http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 1081	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:02:00 - [16] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers? The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp If the Gallente want to take down the titan, they will want capitals there themselves. To get them there, they need to turn off the cyno jammer. This in turn will open a window for the Caldari Navy to react. This is based on two things. 1: The Gallente needing to bring in Capitals from outside and not having them in Deadspace all along. 2: CONCORD turning off the Cynojammer for them if they asked anyway. But from what i understand each faction can freely move capitals on there territory/sov, or maby they have to ask CONCORD every time for permission ?
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 102	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:25:00 - [17] - Quote If getting to Caldari Prime is a problem then maybe Sansha Kuvakei could have called a temporary truce with the caldari state and provided a worm hole connection from New Caldari to Caldari Prime seeing that he was born a caldari.
Toluijin Chagangan Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 31	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:36:00 - [18] - Quote The standings issue for Caldari FW pilots is totally within EvE Lore. Remember that the problem with even maintaining the fleet defending the titan over caldari prime is the lack of a supply route, which makes the cost of having it there rise exponentially. does it put the caldari attempt to defend the titan at a disadvantage? yes. Should it? also yes. Defending that planet is meant to be a tactical, logistic and financial nightmare for the state. you can try to turn up, but Roden and FedNav police will be hot on your tail.
Toluijin Chagangan Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 31	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:38:00 - [19] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Caellach Marellus wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers? The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp If the Gallente want to take down the titan, they will want capitals there themselves. To get them there, they need to turn off the cyno jammer. This in turn will open a window for the Caldari Navy to react. This is based on two things. 1: The Gallente needing to bring in Capitals from outside and not having them in Deadspace all along. 2: CONCORD turning off the Cynojammer for them if they asked anyway. But from what i understand each faction can freely move capitals on there territory/sov, or maby they have to ask CONCORD every time for permission ? CONCORD cyno jammers only affect freelance capsuleers. (i.e players) however, their insta-kill abilities work on anything in high sec. therefore the empires don't generally go against the YC treaty... well... apart from that one day... when CONCORD went offline.
William Loire Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction 25	Posted - 2013.03.21 15:34:00 - [20] - Quote Toluijin Chagangan wrote: The standings issue for Caldari FW pilots is totally within EvE Lore. Remember that the problem with even maintaining the fleet defending the titan over caldari prime is the lack of a supply route, which makes the cost of having it there rise exponentially. does it put the caldari attempt to defend the titan at a disadvantage? yes. Should it? also yes. Defending that planet is meant to be a tactical, logistic and financial nightmare for the state. you can try to turn up, but Roden and FedNav police will be hot on your tail. The problem is the lore only works in one direction. I can get to the Titan grid without much hassle but as soon as I'm on the grid for more than a few seconds the gallente police attack without repercussion. The large fleet of Caldari ships doesn't even try to fend them off. From a lore perspective why would this happen?
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 1081	Posted - 2013.03.21 16:04:00 - [21] - Quote William Loire wrote: Toluijin Chagangan wrote: The standings issue for Caldari FW pilots is totally within EvE Lore. Remember that the problem with even maintaining the fleet defending the titan over caldari prime is the lack of a supply route, which makes the cost of having it there rise exponentially. does it put the caldari attempt to defend the titan at a disadvantage? yes. Should it? also yes. Defending that planet is meant to be a tactical, logistic and financial nightmare for the state. you can try to turn up, but Roden and FedNav police will be hot on your tail. The problem is the lore only works in one direction. I can get to the Titan grid without much hassle but as soon as I'm on the grid for more than a few seconds the gallente police attack without repercussion. The large fleet of Caldari ships doesn't even try to fend them off. From a lore perspective why would this happen? There goal is to suport the titan, not you.
William Loire Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction 25	Posted - 2013.03.21 17:22:00 - [22] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: William Loire wrote: Toluijin Chagangan wrote: The standings issue for Caldari FW pilots is totally within EvE Lore. Remember that the problem with even maintaining the fleet defending the titan over caldari prime is the lack of a supply route, which makes the cost of having it there rise exponentially. does it put the caldari attempt to defend the titan at a disadvantage? yes. Should it? also yes. Defending that planet is meant to be a tactical, logistic and financial nightmare for the state. you can try to turn up, but Roden and FedNav police will be hot on your tail. The problem is the lore only works in one direction. I can get to the Titan grid without much hassle but as soon as I'm on the grid for more than a few seconds the gallente police attack without repercussion. The large fleet of Caldari ships doesn't even try to fend them off. From a lore perspective why would this happen? There goal is to suport the titan, not you. How about we just admit the death of the fleet is a pre-ordained event then.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1173	Posted - 2013.03.21 21:56:00 - [23] - Quote William Loire wrote: How about we just admit the death of the fleet is a pre-ordained event then. It is. I'm looking forward to everyone just bailing on the whole terribly misnames "live event" and watching the Titan magically self-destruct. Live Events are neither.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 1153	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:01:00 - [24] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: William Loire wrote: How about we just admit the death of the fleet is a pre-ordained event then. It is. I'm looking forward to everyone just bailing on the whole terribly misnames "live event" and watching the Titan magically self-destruct. The destruction of the Titan is probably what will cause this weekend long fighting. Wouldn't surprise me if it goes down during downtime. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008.
Wolfgan Boisvert Federation Navy Auxiliary Fleet 0	Posted - 2013.03.22 07:59:00 - [25] - Quote Quote: But from what i understand each faction can freely move capitals on there territory/sov, or maby they have to ask CONCORD every time for permission ? Even if they cannot move capitals without CONCORD consent, you can build supercaps if you hold sov in the system. Who is holding sov in Luminaire? Gallente. So any capital can easily be handwaved in as "Yeah, we spent the last three years mining Veldspar and built them in our super-sikrit POS".
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space 17	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:06:00 - [26] - Quote Skilfer Azizora wrote: The area has already been flagged as a danger zone by CONCORD. This could in theory provide the basis for a conflict to take place without fear of CONCORD intervention ;) This is just an assumption of course, but I feel that it is all too convenient. They shoudl just make the Elders go bash concord a secodn time just for the LOLs :P

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