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GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.03.21 22:36:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:i-AA wrote:Hi, without wanting to search for an answer Im posting here instead  Search for ISBoxer.
how about he searches for the other 40 broadcasting software thats also freeware? |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2013.03.21 23:18:00 -
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To be fair in regards to ISboxer, it is somewhat CCPs fault for these types of programs. With how much CCP promotes alt accounts and multiboxing, it shouldn't be surprised these programs exist and are favored by the playerbase.
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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
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Posted - 2013.03.22 00:24:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:Whitehound wrote:i-AA wrote:Hi, without wanting to search for an answer Im posting here instead Search for ISBoxer. how about he searches for the other 40 broadcasting software thats also freeware?
ISBoxer is free, but to run it requires purchasing an Inner Space license from Lavish Software. $15 for 90 days.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2013.03.22 00:58:00 -
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Which makes it not free.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.22 02:47:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Stray Bullets wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:i-AA wrote:Cool, thanks guys I knew it was possible before just heard some multiboxing policies have changed recently as well as the new launcher etc, i was septic as to if I could have multiple accounts logged without being at risk of a ban  Thanks all There have been no such policy changes I'm aware of. One of the GMs explicitly said the policy on ISBoxer had not changed. People go read the discussion on the dev blog from the security team. There has been changes to the policy regarding ISBoxer. GM Lelouch was the one who said it was ok, but 3 days ago, he edited the 3 year old post to change the policy, basically saying that they can't say if it's ok or not.... use at your own risk as they are not sure it's not breaking the EULA. Sources: Devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74632GM Lelouch post with the reedit: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274 They had to revise their statement, because ISBOXER does break the EULA. "You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play." Since ISBoxer does provide a single player, with advantages over another single player not using it, it's against the EULA.
"Compared with ordinary gameplay" - ISboxer doesn't accelerate anything, it makes it slightly easier to make multiple accounts do the same thing. This is something that can also be done with out ISboxer with a little more :effort:
Some reading material for you. I would speculate that the reason for the policy change is due to ISboxer now offering users the capability to bot if they want to pay extra money or put a little effort in to coding the new module. Using it to multibox is still just fine according to CCP.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.03.22 03:17:00 -
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Rosewalker wrote:GreenSeed wrote:Whitehound wrote:i-AA wrote:Hi, without wanting to search for an answer Im posting here instead Search for ISBoxer. how about he searches for the other 40 broadcasting software thats also freeware? ISBoxer is free, but to run it requires purchasing an Inner Space license from Lavish Software. $15 for 90 days.
Your joking, you have to buy a subscription? 
That's just too funny, just goes to show that money can't solve stupid.....
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.03.22 03:21:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Stray Bullets wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:i-AA wrote:Cool, thanks guys I knew it was possible before just heard some multiboxing policies have changed recently as well as the new launcher etc, i was septic as to if I could have multiple accounts logged without being at risk of a ban Thanks all There have been no such policy changes I'm aware of. One of the GMs explicitly said the policy on ISBoxer had not changed. People go read the discussion on the dev blog from the security team. There has been changes to the policy regarding ISBoxer. GM Lelouch was the one who said it was ok, but 3 days ago, he edited the 3 year old post to change the policy, basically saying that they can't say if it's ok or not.... use at your own risk as they are not sure it's not breaking the EULA. Sources: Devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74632GM Lelouch post with the reedit: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274 They had to revise their statement, because ISBOXER does break the EULA. "You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play." Since ISBoxer does provide a single player, with advantages over another single player not using it, it's against the EULA. "Compared with ordinary gameplay" - ISboxer doesn't accelerate anything, it makes it slightly easier to make multiple accounts do the same thing. This is something that can also be done with out ISboxer with a little more :effort: Some reading material for you. I would speculate that the reason for the policy change is due to ISboxer now offering users the capability to bot if they want to pay extra money or put a little effort in to coding the new module. Using it to multibox is still just fine according to CCP.
Stop drinking the koolaid.
Person 1:
Runs 20 accounts, No ISBoxer
Person 2:
Runs twenty accounts with ISboxer.
Do you really want to claim that that doesn't provide an huge advantage? Trying to justify it's use?
Doesn't matter, CCP is hooked on Alts, so the more you buy, the better...
Who knows, in a couple of years, you may be playing with yourself....
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.22 04:08:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Stop drinking the koolaid.
Person 1:
Runs 20 accounts, No ISBoxer
Person 2:
Runs twenty accounts with ISboxer.
Do you really want to claim that that doesn't provide an huge advantage? Trying to justify it's use?
Doesn't matter, CCP is hooked on Alts, so the more you buy, the better...
Who knows, in a couple of years, you may be playing with yourself....
Koolaid. I assume that is some kind of obscure American beverage?
ISBoxer doesn't accelerate the aquisition of ingame items compared to normal game play.
Yes, it makes playing with multiple accounts easier in some cases, more difficult in others, but does not break any rules. No need to justify.
I play with myself frequently.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:49:00 -
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Regarding ISBoxer, the thing that has changed is that it is no longer explicitly sanctioned. The reason, as stated by CCP in the botting dev blog thread is logical:
They can't permasanction 3rd party programs which change all the time, and CCP has no control over, nor the resources to follow every patch note of 3rd party releases for possibly EULA-breaching changes.
So while ISBoxer might not breach the EULA directly right now (I think it most certainly does but that's just imho), it might do it tomorrow and giving it a pre-emptive green light would put simply CCP in a difficult position.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:05:00 -
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"ISBoxer doesn't accelerate the aquisition of ingame items compared to normal game play."
You're claiming that executing a single keystroke or mouse click is not faster than doing the same thing 20 times. Or that 20 ships does not execute a task faster than one ship. It's really a matter of realistic perspective vs rosy glass perspective. Yeah, an ISBoxed character is not any more accelerated than normally played character.
But an ISBoxer is acquiring ingame items at an accelerated pace compared to normal player when both control the same number of characters.
Furthermore ISBoxer massively extends the maximum amount of accounts a single player can feasibly control.
Compare this to a mission-running bot running one account 23/7 - perfectly possible by human without external programs as well. Activating a module on 40 ships simultaneously- impossible for a human without external programs. Yeah yeah one can construct mechanical devices that replicate keypresses across accounts.
But so can one construct mechanical device that runs missions. And yet one is banned, other not.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:24:00 -
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Roime wrote:You're claiming that executing a single keystroke or mouse click is not faster than doing the same thing 20 times. Or that 20 ships does not execute a task faster than one ship.
I'm not saying that 20 accounts can't aquire stuff faster than one ship, that's just silly.
Roime wrote:Yeah, an ISBoxed character is not any more accelerated than normally played character.
Exactly.
Roime wrote:But an ISBoxer is acquiring ingame items at an accelerated pace compared to normal player when both control the same number of characters.
Not always. There are many instances where the person not using a program such as ISBoxer would be far more efficient than a person using it.
Roime wrote:Furthermore ISBoxer massively extends the maximum amount of accounts a single player can feasibly control.
It depends on the person. If you're talking the average person, who is lazy, then I would agree.
Roime wrote:Compare this to a mission-running bot running one account 23/7 - perfectly possible by human without external programs as well. Activating a module on 40 ships simultaneously- impossible for a human without external programs. Yeah yeah one can construct mechanical devices that replicate keypresses across accounts.
But so can one construct mechanical device that runs missions. And yet one is banned, other not.
If a person is running missions 23/7 then they should probably seek medical attention. Sleep deprivation kills.
There are ways to activate buttons simultaneously with out software people actually do this, regardless of your dismissal of the practice because :effort:.
Currently, people running ISBoxer for the purpose of multiboxing aren't at risk of being banned because they're not doing anything wrong. The people loading the new module available for the purposes of botting are & I suspect that the module in question is the reason for the rewording of the EULA regarding it.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Dominic karin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:47:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:i-AA wrote:Hi, without wanting to search for an answer Im posting here instead Search for ISBoxer.
That's a bit overkill for just 2 characters though don't you think? |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:00:00 -
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Shiptoasting in a stealth ISBoxer whine thread.
Malcanis for CSM 8.
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Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Apex Nebula Ventures
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:53:00 -
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T'Laar Bok wrote:Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:BTW, what sort of performance do you see running two instances of the game on one PC? "PC" covers a hell of a lot of hardware / software / configurations. My personal best about 2y ago on XP was 9 with max graphics. As a guesstimate on my hardware today 15 - 20.
Yeah, I was pretty vague. Based on your results I think I'd have no trouble running two at once on max settings.
FX6100
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Eve Amada
Lightspeed Enterprises
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:54:00 -
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I have a thousand accounts running at max settings on my HAL 2001. :P |
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