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Eve Amada
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:26:00 -
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I think CCP should give us 5 slots for characters on each account.
I NEED MOAR SLOTS! :P |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1786
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:20:00 -
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Eve Amada wrote:I think CCP should give us 5 slots for characters on each account.
I NEED MOAR SLOTS! :P
Aurum for moar slots. I'm in.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1786
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:22:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:I was told I would have to cope with the consequence of any action I take in this game. Why is it not the case as long as you use an alt?
Each of your alts has its own list of consequences to deal with. You have to deal with all of them individually. Merging them is up to you.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
67
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:48:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Each of your alts has its own list of consequences to deal with. You have to deal with all of them individually. Merging them is up to you.
The point is that you can use one alt to avoid consequences being suffered by another.
I agree that it's overpowered because low SP alts can be used and recycled endlessly to avoid all kinds of consequences. sec status, wars, bounties for posting spam in jita. and they can be recycled or placed on a second account so even API key checks won't show up spies/awoxers, thiefs etc.
not that these things are bad but if they had real consequences then perhaps people would make their actions worthwhile rather than just seeing what they can get away with because they have nothing to lose. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1180
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:49:00 -
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S'Way wrote: so would then have a valid point about older players having an unfair advantage.
... ummm?
Live Events are neither. |

Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
7
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:56:00 -
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LOL..... imagine not having ur alt to find your entrance back to your wormhole.... |

Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
423
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:19:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote:CCP allows players to have 3 characters per account. Only one character per account can be online, so in most cases only a single character will regularly undock. This allows countless opportunities for the evasion of repercussions within EVE. I consider scout alts, scam alts, troll alts (etc) to be brutally overpowered as they allow you to mask your true affiliation and identity.
If someone scams you on an account that never undocks, you can never have your revenge. Heck they can even biomass the character and make a new one for exactly the same purpose. Think about what EVE would be like if you could only have one character per account. Everything anyone ever did or wrote would be on a character that undocks, so if you didn't like the, you could grief them at a later date (a common theme within EVE).
Would this make the game better or worse?
The only way this would work is if CCP reduced the sub cost. If thats not happening and they take away 2 characters from my account, my subscription just lost a ton of value. It's no longer worth the 15 bucks a month we pay. I cant think of any MMO that only allows you one character slot. It's just too limiting. ESPECIALLY a pay to play MMO. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |

Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
67
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:25:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:The only way this would work is if CCP reduced the sub cost. If thats not happening and they take away 2 characters from my account, my subscription just lost a ton of value. It's no longer worth the 15 bucks a month we pay. I cant think of any MMO that only allows you one character slot. It's just too limiting. ESPECIALLY a pay to play MMO.
it wouldn't be limiting in the usual sense as eve doesn't place limitations on character roles. ie you aren't limited to race or career. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2801
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:32:00 -
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This is a new and exciting gripe. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1175
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:39:00 -
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0/10
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1512
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:44:00 -
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Being able to play with Alts is one of the best things about EVE online. For example, I shoot rats in null sec with 3 characters (that I control, I don't use isboxxer or anything)/. It's fun coming up with new set up and exploration doctrines (like my mach and 2 tengus, or my Triple dominix 10/10 squad etc etc).
It nice to be able to say "not feeling null sec today, i guess i'll log in my low sec lvl 5 crew" or my incursion runner or my faction warfare throw-away HAM caracal alt etc.
The op is probably someone who got suicide ganked and rather than learn how to mitigate risk would rather change the entire rest of the game for everyone else.
Seems to be a lot of that around these parts lol. |

Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
67
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Posted - 2013.03.22 16:54:00 -
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multiboxing accounts is a whole other topic.
I don't think anyone would seriously expect CCP to remove alts (at this stage) but I know how to sell it:
the beautiful serenity and peace that is a jita local that knows about 2000 100,000 ISK bounties payable on pod kill are a good reason NOT to post that thing. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
423
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:23:00 -
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Yea, one character slots are just a bad idea in general. For roleplayers is bad as they wanted to make a new character, they have to pay 14 bucks again.
For outlaws it's game breaking. Yes they can rely on others for logistical support. But guess what, not everyone plays the game 24 hours a day or plays on your timezone all the time. Sometimes you just need to do **** yourself. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |

Maxpie
MUSE Apprenticeship
267
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Posted - 2013.03.22 17:30:00 -
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Eve would be the most groundbreaking and immersive game around if there were no alts/second accounts. Consequences would matter. You would be your character, for better or worse. This is how I choose to play and I enjoy it far more than the times over the years that I've actually tried playing with an alt.
Obviously CCP won't ever get rid of alts and would not be able to eliminate multiple accounts even if they wanted to (which they never would), but I am convinced it would be a far, far better game.
No good deed goes unpunished |

Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
40
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:09:00 -
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If a single character per person model was possible to implement it would make the game better.
Having a good set of industrialists would matter, instead of just being one use alts. Miners would matter, and corps would have incentive to protect them or else they go to the competition. PvPers would matter to protect your other corp mates. Probers would matter, instead of being one use ponies then cloak and minimize the window. Haulers would matter. Logistics would matter. Boosters would matter. EWAR would matter. Interdiction would matter.
As it stands so many alts are one trick ponies while people play their combat main. It would honestly make the game a lot better, and it would open up the sandbox idea a lot to have various play-styles, but it's just not possible to implement. |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
367
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:14:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote: I think people would skirt around the tax by space trading valuable items. Abandon a frigate full of Morphite at a safe spot. .
That'd create some pretty awesome gameplay. Crime reporters scoping out back system cash handovers between industrialists and pirates, thieves trying to scoop the loot for themselves, maybe a bit of blackmail. |

Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
11727
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:15:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:We had this discussion several times already. Yes, NPC corp alts are so powerful that they have regrettably become a necessity for every player. What we need is an encouragement to have "menial" tasks done by actual corp members and not outsource all vulnerable logistics and infrastructure to npc corps.
I have always been in favor of a "transaction" tax whenever you transfer money in between characters. This tax could be at zero if both characters are in the same corp, very low if they are in the same alliance and rather high if one or both of them are in an npc corp. Sec status should largely affect the transaction tax...if a sec 5.0 industrialist alt sends large amounts of money to his sec -9.9 pirate main, it is money laundry after all and concord shouldn't like that. I think people would skirt around the tax by space trading valuable items. Abandon a frigate full of Morphite at a safe spot.
..and suddenly a part of the daily transactions becomes vulnerable to carefully laid traps and ganking. I love your idea and think out-of-station-trading for tax avoidance has a lot of potential for emergent gameplay. A thousand pirates are yarrring in joy. 
Please don't feed me. |

Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
424
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:53:00 -
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Let's say CCP decided to eliminate alts. What would you do with people that had fully trained but dedicated alts?
Refund? S.O.L.? Delete?
I dont see an easy answer to this. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |

Kathern Aurilen
42
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Posted - 2013.03.23 00:23:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Vincent Athena wrote: I think people would skirt around the tax by space trading valuable items. Abandon a frigate full of Morphite at a safe spot. .
That'd create some pretty awesome gameplay. Crime reporters scoping out back system cash handovers between industrialists and pirates, thieves trying to scoop the loot for themselves, maybe a bit of blackmail. Keeping a eye out for loot drops would bring more people out for exploration No cuts, no butts, no cocanuts!
Forum alt, unskilled in the was of pewpew! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
6875
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Posted - 2013.03.23 00:34:00 -
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Opertone wrote: make new alt, gank, biomass your character
I've deliberately and maliciously edited the quote to make a point. If you do the above, expect a warning or a ban, biomassing a gank alt, which by definition has a negative security status, is a violation of the EULA
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |

Arronicus
vintas industries Mistakes Were Made.
373
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Posted - 2013.03.23 00:34:00 -
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Terrible solution to a non issue. Seems to me the only problem here is that you are having trouble controlling your personal feelings toward people who have slighted you. Eve is hard, so HTFU. Deception, trickery, scamming, and theft, are all encouraged, so why would CCP act in a fashion that not only makes those more difficult, but heavily penalizes the vast majority of their subscribers, most of which who take no part in said activities?
I'd compare this to banning the wearing of boots, because of weasel stomping day. This thread must have been written while OP was high on ALL the drugs. |

Dash Bishop
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:54:00 -
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Mag's wrote:All I read was: "Almost everyone else copes with the rules and mechanics of Eve. But I don't, so want CCP to change it around me."
Viva la care bear revolution! |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2748
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:54:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I'll dec the next one who uses words as overpowered, nerf etc etc....... HTFU and play eve..... 
Highsec carebears are overpowered & need a nerf. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2748
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:58:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:I was told I would have to cope with the consequence of any action I take in this game. Why is it not the case as long as you use an alt?
I use my main for most of the 'bad' things I do & there seem to be no consequences of note. It's easier for the victims to demand a nerf on the forums. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |

Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1509
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:59:00 -
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i literally lolled... in a game where the majority of people have multiple accounts, youre complaining about alts? rriiiigggghhhhtttt......
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
405
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Posted - 2013.03.23 03:16:00 -
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I am actually trying to figure out why alts are bad. About the only reason is the listed one about taking away the newbie friendly jobs to well. And for that I have no real idea.
Also I am trying to build an overpowered nerf combustion cannon for use in a future event, should I use ABS or PVC tubing? |

DrunkenNinja
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2013.03.23 08:11:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Terrible solution to a non issue. Seems to me the only problem here is that you are having trouble controlling your personal feelings toward people who have slighted you. Eve is hard, so HTFU. Deception, trickery, scamming, and theft, are all encouraged, so why would CCP act in a fashion that not only makes those more difficult, but heavily penalizes the vast majority of their subscribers, most of which who take no part in said activities?
I'd compare this to banning the wearing of boots, because of weasel stomping day. This thread must have been written while OP was high on ALL the drugs.
If EVE is so hard then why do you need to rely on alts bro? All of those things are encouraged and so is RETRIBUTION. That would be a lot easier to have with one character per account. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.03.23 11:36:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote:Everything anyone ever did or wrote would be on a character that undocks, so if you didn't like the, you could grief them at a later date (a common theme within EVE).
1). WRONG !!! I have an account with only 1 characte that NEVER undocks....
2). You suggest griefing someone? Griefing is against the EULA...
3). Quit whining...
DrunkenNinja wrote:Arronicus wrote:Terrible solution to a non issue. Seems to me the only problem here is that you are having trouble controlling your personal feelings toward people who have slighted you. Eve is hard, so HTFU. Deception, trickery, scamming, and theft, are all encouraged, so why would CCP act in a fashion that not only makes those more difficult, but heavily penalizes the vast majority of their subscribers, most of which who take no part in said activities?
I'd compare this to banning the wearing of boots, because of weasel stomping day. This thread must have been written while OP was high on ALL the drugs. That would be a lot easier to have with one character per account.
1). EVE is hard...
2). Quit whining... |
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