What happened wasn't sandbox, everything was scripted and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

You can't tell a story in EVE and truly involve the players because they'll just destroy everything and then spam local, every time. We're lucky that we were able to see an important Titan according to the lore go down at all.

BUT CCP SAID THAT WE CAPSULEERS ARE IMPORTANT. HOW DARE THEY LIE TO US

Only way this could have been avoided is if they handwaved everything, and that's lamer than allowing people to be there as events unfold. You're entitled, and in reality, this doesn't affect the gameplay of any capsuleer at all. This is just lore, and is for people that RP. Not everything is to be catered to you.

People don't appreciate being lied to their face, breaking news! (CCP advertised the event as something capsuleers could influence)

What people don't take into the equation (due to their previously mentioned entitlement issues) is that players in EVE are limited in their response when there are tons of people in a system. I mean, if the lore director in CCP wants to tell a neat story between X an Y and this titan being downed is the catalyst for this to occur, then he should be completely allowed. Why? Because you can't have everything in lore dictated by who has the bigger blob.

What people don't take into the equation (due to their previously mentioned entitlement issues) is that players in EVE are limited in their response when there are tons of people in a system. I mean, if the lore director in CCP wants to tell a neat story between X an Y and this titan being downed is the catalyst for this to occur, then he should be completely allowed. Why? Because you can't have everything in lore dictated by who has the bigger blob.

You're right but being right doesn't change the fact that CCP lied by advertising the event as being one that could be influenced. And they didn't need to lie. And people don't like being lied to.

You're also right that CCP should've made the event more friendlier to blobbing.

But this whole notion that Live Events can be steered by smallsons that fleet up and head out to ~ruin the RP'ers fun~ is stupid. CCP should get up, distance themselves from the "emergent gameplay" crowd and focus on telling the story their way, and allowing capsuleers to just watch.

You're also right that CCP should've made the event more friendlier to blobbing.

But this whole notion that Live Events can be steered by smallsons that fleet up and head out to ~ruin the RP'ers fun~ is stupid. CCP should get up, distance themselves from the "emergent gameplay" crowd and focus on telling the story their way, and allowing capsuleers to just watch.

The point of a sandbox and an MMO is to give the players the chance to influence the fate of the world.

If CCP wants to tell a story without capsuleer influence then make a trailer, they're good at that.

Don't advertise the event as something capsuleers will decide and then drop 20 Moros' on top of the Caldari fleet point blank range.

Nobody cares that the Titan went down. We all want to see that pretty wreckage in DUST matches. We do care (especially us Caldari players) that an important event in Caldari history was determined by a bunch of Developers in capital ships purposefully putting one side's capital ships in a ****** tactical position.

What people don't take into the equation (due to their previously mentioned entitlement issues) is that players in EVE are limited in their response when there are tons of people in a system. I mean, if the lore director in CCP wants to tell a neat story between X an Y and this titan being downed is the catalyst for this to occur, then he should be completely allowed. Why? Because you can't have everything in lore dictated by who has the bigger blob.

Go read a book if you want a set in stone story arc. Meanwhile, I'll play EVE. Side note, TS-F loves our Activists.

You know, it not a single one of your posts do you acknowledge the lie that occurred. It just hit me.

This would imply that EVE's story isn't set in stone. It much-so is, save for interactivity with lore characters. But capsuleers have never directly influenced anything, and I think I'm not the only one who is fine with that.

You apparently missed the subtle hint about a Live Event that was very much influenced by Capsuleers.

We do care (especially us Caldari players) that an important event in Caldari history was determined by a bunch of Developers in capital ships purposefully putting one side's capital ships in a ****** tactical position.

Better than an important event in Gallente history be already notched in stone in downtime with zero participation from anyone, which is how that titan got there in the first place.

Take a look at EVE Kill, just as a rough guide.

See how many battleships took part?

If 1000 Battleships shot the same target as the Caladari Navy then they'd have downed each of the Gallente dreads in short order.

There ya go, an opportunity for player influence.

That so many chose to fly frigs, cruisers and destroyers and shoot each other tells you why it didn't have to be scripted.

I missed the part where all 1000 Battleships were not only on grid at the same time but each and everyone was a Caldari supporter.

And how exactly were 750 Caldari players (being generous here) of varying corporations, alliances and TS channels, going to organize coherently as well as figure out exactly what the Caldari fleet was attacking? And how exactly would this magically organized fleet have taken down all 20 Moros' before CCP Falcon, or whoever was FC'ing, decided to primary the titan and instantly melt it? Especially while they are under fire from an equally sized Gallente force?

"Man this **** is so easy they should have just organized stupid Caldari. Twenty strong Moros fleets are easily dispatched by subcapital fleets all the tiiiiimmmee."



The Caldari NPC fleet was outnumbered due to (reasonable) lore reasons. I would also like to point out the extreme difference in damage potential between a Phoenix and a Moros. All else being equal the Moros will melt the Phoenix every. single. time. We're talking about the most powerful dreadnaught versus the weakest dreadnaught.

In some regards you're correct. Had no Gallente capsuleers arrived then the fight may have gone the other way (unlikely though because the Moros fleet was strong enough to vaporize the Titan nearly instantly, not to mention there were unfielded backups in Luminaire at the time as well.) However both the Caldari and the Gallente showed up. Tthe Gallente NPC fleet could not be stopped by the Caldari capsuleer fleet with everything else going on.

What happened wasn't sandbox, everything was scripted and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

You can't tell a story in EVE and truly involve the players because they'll just destroy everything and then spam local, every time. We're lucky that we were able to see an important Titan according to the lore go down at all.

BUT CCP SAID THAT WE CAPSULEERS ARE IMPORTANT. HOW DARE THEY LIE TO US

Only way this could have been avoided is if they handwaved everything, and that's lamer than allowing people to be there as events unfold. You're entitled, and in reality, this doesn't affect the gameplay of any capsuleer at all. This is just lore, and is for people that RP. Not everything is to be catered to you.

Can someone show me where it specifically said you would be able to stop the titan getting popped?

you see, i read 'the events can be influenced by players' ...

that to me means that the end result of who CONTROLS Caldari Prime can be influenced.
not that you can stop a rather impressive story-arc within the battle for control of caldari prime from happening.

seriously. all these tears, while amusing, are in danger of drowning the hamsters.
HTFU.