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Helios Aquiness
The Rising Stars Academy
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:34:00 -
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I get the fact that this game is based in Iceland and on their time frame. I get the fact that server nodes can only handle so many people. Hell I dont even care if the whole thing was scripted. But why was this a one time thing? Why couldnt the titan respawn and be destroyed once every 4-6 hours all weekend? More people would be able to see the event. I dont know if the majority of others disagree with me then I guess Im just the odd man out. |

Ingkala
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:36:00 -
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Because there is only one Shiigeru (the titan that got killed). Not several. It's not how EVE works. |

Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:37:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote:I get the fact that this game is based in Iceland and on their time frame. I get the fact that server nodes can only handle so many people. Hell I dont even care if the whole thing was scripted. But why was this a one time thing? Why couldnt the titan respawn and be destroyed once every 4-6 hours all weekend? More people would be able to see the event. I dont know if the majority of others disagree with me then I guess Im just the odd man out.
(( Live events create the backstory for eve and dust. Titans are super expensive, and well, the factions dont really have the amount of cash that the null sec alliances do. Pretending they do and spawning multiple titans would seriously impact lore, as well as who would captain all the titans? Its not like a faction is going to trust just anyone to do it... )) |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1156
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:45:00 -
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The point of unique events is that they are unique. Make them to a scheduled recurring event and the whole story turns to a joke, like every mission. Or when was the last time you read through the story part of a mission and felt immersed in it? Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
702
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Posted - 2013.03.23 00:39:00 -
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Popsikle wrote:Helios Aquiness wrote:I get the fact that this game is based in Iceland and on their time frame. I get the fact that server nodes can only handle so many people. Hell I dont even care if the whole thing was scripted. But why was this a one time thing? Why couldnt the titan respawn and be destroyed once every 4-6 hours all weekend? More people would be able to see the event. I dont know if the majority of others disagree with me then I guess Im just the odd man out. (( Live events create the backstory for eve and dust. Titans are super expensive, and well, the factions dont really have the amount of cash that the null sec alliances do. Pretending they do and spawning multiple titans would seriously impact lore, as well as who would captain all the titans? Its not like a faction is going to trust just anyone to do it... ))
Popsikle, the only in-character forum is the IGS, everything else is out of character. Don't need the brackets! :)
Otherwise, +1. |

Helios Aquiness
The Rising Stars Academy
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:21:00 -
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Fair points. But I'm not saying that it should always happen or that it should be a new Titan every time. It would not hurt the lore, in my opinion atleast, to kill the same Titan all weekend for an event then have the lore say it was killed once and move on from there. |

Ingkala
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 10:51:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote:Fair points. But I'm not saying that it should always happen or that it should be a new Titan every time. It would not hurt the lore, in my opinion atleast, to kill the same Titan all weekend for an event then have the lore say it was killed once and move on from there.
It would, because it could only die once. The Titanic didn't sink twice - only once. |

Daved Hunter
Covert Intell Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.23 13:56:00 -
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My question to all of this is why there is people playing in this game that do not have to pay to do it as the rest of us have to. |

Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
288
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Posted - 2013.03.23 15:30:00 -
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Ingkala wrote:Helios Aquiness wrote:Fair points. But I'm not saying that it should always happen or that it should be a new Titan every time. It would not hurt the lore, in my opinion atleast, to kill the same Titan all weekend for an event then have the lore say it was killed once and move on from there. It would, because it could only die once. The Titanic didn't sink twice - only once. Firstly, you don't get suspension of disbelief.
Second, wow. That's...wow.
Okay lemme break this down for you. A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died. It's more comparable to watching James Cameron's Titanic. Because that's entertainment.
You don't show a movie only once. And lots of people voluntarily watch a given movie multiple times. Sometimes twice in one opening weekend. Get it?
To OP: From what I could tell CCP wasn't flipping a switch and letting AI controlled boats go at each other, so I would just let it go. Maybe in the future they'll wisen up and set up a live event to repeat. |

Ingkala
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
10
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Posted - 2013.03.23 15:49:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Ingkala wrote:Helios Aquiness wrote:Fair points. But I'm not saying that it should always happen or that it should be a new Titan every time. It would not hurt the lore, in my opinion atleast, to kill the same Titan all weekend for an event then have the lore say it was killed once and move on from there. It would, because it could only die once. The Titanic didn't sink twice - only once. Firstly, you don't get suspension of disbelief. Second, wow. That's...wow. Okay lemme break this down for you. A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died. It's more comparable to watching James Cameron's Titanic. Because that's entertainment. You don't show a movie only once. And lots of people voluntarily watch a given movie multiple times. Sometimes twice in one opening weekend. Get it? To OP: From what I understand CCP wasn't flipping a switch and letting AI controlled boats go at each other, so I would just let it go. Maybe in the future they'll wisen up and set up a live event to repeat.
It can be likened to the event. The film is merely just a recording (if you will) of the event. If you want, you can watch a recording of the destruction of the titan, but the event itself only happened once. A film does not offer interaction - a game does, thus to have it repeat would break the immersion and meaning of the event. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1432

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Posted - 2013.03.23 16:00:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Ingkala wrote:Helios Aquiness wrote:Fair points. But I'm not saying that it should always happen or that it should be a new Titan every time. It would not hurt the lore, in my opinion atleast, to kill the same Titan all weekend for an event then have the lore say it was killed once and move on from there. It would, because it could only die once. The Titanic didn't sink twice - only once. Firstly, you don't get suspension of disbelief. Second, wow. That's...wow. Okay lemme break this down for you. A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died. It's more comparable to watching James Cameron's Titanic. Because that's entertainment. You don't show a movie only once. And lots of people voluntarily watch a given movie multiple times. Sometimes twice in one opening weekend. Get it? To OP: From what I understand CCP wasn't flipping a switch and letting AI controlled boats go at each other, so I would just let it go. Maybe in the future they'll wisen up and set up a live event to repeat.
We won't. EVE is a living universe that has consequences - things happen once. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
96
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Posted - 2013.03.23 16:01:00 -
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Daved Hunter wrote:My question to all of this is why there is people playing in this game that do not have to pay to do it as the rest of us have to.
If you're talking about the Titan and other capital ship pilots at the Live Event? They work at CCP. It's their job to work on this game. That Titan pilot was in orbit for what, 7 hours? It's not like s/he could just say "Nah, I'm done for the day" after a few. S/he had to stay there and stay in character.
It's like acting. Quite a few actors consider it fun to act. So many non-actors consider acting to be so fun, they rush off and make games of acting (Live action role play). But at the end of the day, being an actor is still a job. One where who you are and what you do and for how long you do it is controlled by your boss and it may not be fun. But you do it. Because it's a job, not a game, for these people. |

Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
96
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Posted - 2013.03.23 16:03:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died.
You do realize the irony here, right? Do you even know what the crew of the Shiigeru was? |

Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
288
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Posted - 2013.03.23 16:21:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died. You do realize the irony here, right? Do you even know what the crew of the Shiigeru was?
You missed the entire part where I compared an entertaining event to an entertaining event, while you compared an entertaining event to a tragedy? And I explained why that's a bad comparison? Good lord. |

Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
288
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Posted - 2013.03.23 16:22:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Ingkala wrote:Helios Aquiness wrote:Fair points. But I'm not saying that it should always happen or that it should be a new Titan every time. It would not hurt the lore, in my opinion atleast, to kill the same Titan all weekend for an event then have the lore say it was killed once and move on from there. It would, because it could only die once. The Titanic didn't sink twice - only once. Firstly, you don't get suspension of disbelief. Second, wow. That's...wow. Okay lemme break this down for you. A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died. It's more comparable to watching James Cameron's Titanic. Because that's entertainment. You don't show a movie only once. And lots of people voluntarily watch a given movie multiple times. Sometimes twice in one opening weekend. Get it? To OP: From what I understand CCP wasn't flipping a switch and letting AI controlled boats go at each other, so I would just let it go. Maybe in the future they'll wisen up and set up a live event to repeat. We won't. EVE is a living universe that has consequences - things happen once.
Please hold events only during Euro primetime then. Please. |

Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
155
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Posted - 2013.03.23 16:38:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died. You do realize the irony here, right? Do you even know what the crew of the Shiigeru was? You missed the entire part where I compared an entertaining event to an entertaining event, while you compared an entertaining event to a tragedy? And I explained why that's a bad comparison? Good lord.
Do you realise the irony here? Comparing a live event to the world's worst maritime tragedy is wrong... but comparing it to a movie based on said tragedy is not only acceptable, it's entertaining? :P
The solution to maintaining the unique aspect is to go with something along the lines of your last suggestion: timezone rotation.
Attending all the events can be very predictable and quite consumerist. However it's refreshing to attend some events and then read about others. Much like in the real world. You'll rarely pick up a newspaper and say "I was there" to every article.. You won't even read every article. And that is the type of experience CCP is trying to create with their virtual world. :) Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |

Helios Aquiness
The Rising Stars Academy
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Posted - 2013.03.23 17:31:00 -
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Im not one of those guys thats gonna moan about this forever. I would have liked to see the event yes but CCP did what they thought was best for their game. Thanks everyone for answering my question with minimal flaming. |

Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.23 17:55:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote:Im not one of those guys thats gonna moan about this forever. I would have liked to see the event yes but CCP did what they thought was best for their game. Thanks everyone for answering my question with minimal flaming.
must. not. troll!
 CCP are the French gate camping=/=PVP everything else is fair game |

Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
288
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Posted - 2013.03.23 18:17:00 -
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Tavin Aikisen wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died. You do realize the irony here, right? Do you even know what the crew of the Shiigeru was? You missed the entire part where I compared an entertaining event to an entertaining event, while you compared an entertaining event to a tragedy? And I explained why that's a bad comparison? Good lord. Do you realise the irony here? Comparing a live event to the world's worst maritime tragedy is wrong... but comparing it to a movie based on said tragedy is not only acceptable, it's entertaining? :P The solution to maintaining the unique aspect is to go with something along the lines of your last suggestion: timezone rotation. Attending all the events can be very predictable and quite consumerist. However it's refreshing to attend some events and then read about others. Much like in the real world. You'll rarely pick up a newspaper and say "I was there" to every article.. You won't even read every article. And that is the type of experience CCP is trying to create with their virtual world. :) Entertainment being entertaining, a mystifying concept. And you still don't understand how suspension of disbelief can apply to a repeating event.
Here's a smiley for you too XD |

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
164
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Posted - 2013.03.23 18:41:00 -
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As annoyed I was that I didn't get a chance to do anything in this event, I'd prefer it only happened once.
So, good on CCP. |
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MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada
166
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:06:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote:I get the fact that this game is based in Iceland and on their time frame. I get the fact that server nodes can only handle so many people. Hell I dont even care if the whole thing was scripted. But why was this a one time thing? Why couldnt the titan respawn and be destroyed once every 4-6 hours all weekend? More people would be able to see the event. I dont know if the majority of others disagree with me then I guess Im just the odd man out.
It would never work for something like this event. It was a one off unique thing.
Maybe different live events could be be like a prolonged war for an area of space (think faction warfare style) that last for a weekend. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1722
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:32:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Ingkala wrote:Helios Aquiness wrote:Fair points. But I'm not saying that it should always happen or that it should be a new Titan every time. It would not hurt the lore, in my opinion atleast, to kill the same Titan all weekend for an event then have the lore say it was killed once and move on from there. It would, because it could only die once. The Titanic didn't sink twice - only once. Firstly, you don't get suspension of disbelief. Second, wow. That's...wow. Okay lemme break this down for you. A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died. It's more comparable to watching James Cameron's Titanic. Because that's entertainment. You don't show a movie only once. And lots of people voluntarily watch a given movie multiple times. Sometimes twice in one opening weekend. Get it? To OP: From what I understand CCP wasn't flipping a switch and letting AI controlled boats go at each other, so I would just let it go. Maybe in the future they'll wisen up and set up a live event to repeat. We won't. EVE is a living universe that has consequences - things happen once. How many times has Zor died?
CCP Goliath, you need to have a bit more imagination. The Caldari could have had several replacement Titans ready. After one drops, the replacement shows up. Different ship name, maybe the same captain. The Feds would announce to the player "Intel has indicated there are a total of 6 Titans, and they all need to be destroyed to free Caldari Prime". Now the task for the Gallente is to destroy them all, in a specified time frame. If CCP did that:
If the Gallente were a little slow the event would end with a Titan in orbit, and the Caldari would have won. Even so you would still get the crashed Titan landscape for Dust. The event would have persisted alot longer and more players would have had a chance at it.
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
155
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:12:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote: Entertainment being entertaining, a mystifying concept. And you still don't understand how suspension of disbelief can apply to a repeating event.
Here's a smiley for you too XD
You can't have suspension of disbelief when the exact same event is occuring repeatedly in a non-linear world... That's the whole point... Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |

Sobach
Fourth Circle
99
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:26:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:How many times has Zor died?
A mission is not a live event mkay?
Quote:CCP Goliath, you need to have a bit more imagination. The Caldari could have had several replacement Titans ready. After one drops, the replacement shows up. Different ship name, maybe the same captain. The Feds would announce to the player "Intel has indicated there are a total of 6 Titans, and they all need to be destroyed to free Caldari Prime". Now the task for the Gallente is to destroy them all, in a specified time frame. If CCP did that:
If the Gallente were a little slow the event would end with a Titan in orbit, and the Caldari would have won. Even so you would still get the crashed Titan landscape for Dust. The event would have persisted alot longer and more players would have had a chance at it.
TBH, your plan sounds like a terrible idea, if it was that easy for the Caldari to send such a massive fleet to Luminaire, why did they wait 'til now to do it? it took a surprise attack and multiple colossal failure on the Federation's part for the first titan to get there, and now you want a blob of them to simply waltz through the front door when all eyes are on them?
And just why the hell would they break up their blob of titans, for the other side to take down one by one? "The real titan is in the next castle!"  |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1443

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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:26:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Ingkala wrote:Helios Aquiness wrote:Fair points. But I'm not saying that it should always happen or that it should be a new Titan every time. It would not hurt the lore, in my opinion atleast, to kill the same Titan all weekend for an event then have the lore say it was killed once and move on from there. It would, because it could only die once. The Titanic didn't sink twice - only once. Firstly, you don't get suspension of disbelief. Second, wow. That's...wow. Okay lemme break this down for you. A live event for people to enjoy is not like the SINKING OF THE TITANIC. Because that's a tragedy where thousands of people died. It's more comparable to watching James Cameron's Titanic. Because that's entertainment. You don't show a movie only once. And lots of people voluntarily watch a given movie multiple times. Sometimes twice in one opening weekend. Get it? To OP: From what I understand CCP wasn't flipping a switch and letting AI controlled boats go at each other, so I would just let it go. Maybe in the future they'll wisen up and set up a live event to repeat. We won't. EVE is a living universe that has consequences - things happen once. How many times has Zor died? CCP Goliath, you need to have a bit more imagination. The Caldari could have had several replacement Titans ready. After one drops, the replacement shows up. Different ship name, maybe the same captain. The Feds would announce to the player "Intel has indicated there are a total of 6 Titans, and they all need to be destroyed to free Caldari Prime". Now the task for the Gallente is to destroy them all, in a specified time frame. If CCP did that: If the Gallente were a little slow the event would end with a Titan in orbit, and the Caldari would have won. Even so you would still get the crashed Titan landscape for Dust. The event would have persisted alot longer and more players would have had a chance at it.
We're going to have to agree to disagree. For me, this event would have been cheapened if we had handwaved an excuse to have it run 6 times consequentially. As someone pointed out above, there are other ways to run long events without compromising. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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iyammarrok
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
41
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Posted - 2013.03.24 15:06:00 -
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On the subject of Zor.
He's a capsuleer. not a very good one... seems he hasn't trained up his core skills but still... he can keep comming back because he's one of them pirate capsuleers
(the handwave here comes in the fact that he somehow warps his pod out before it appears on the overview.)
as for 'repeating live events' .... it boils down to the difference between the LE-incursions and the AI ones.
The LE ones were a lot more fun. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |

Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2013.03.24 15:34:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote:Hell I dont even care if the whole thing was scripted. I basically agree with OP. The problem was that it was scripted, so they couldn't let the players fight the titan multiple times. Otherwise at some point the whole playerbase might have decided to side on Caldari for a change and save the titan, and that was probably something CCP couldn't afford to happen. |

Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
862
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Posted - 2013.03.24 15:42:00 -
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It can't really be done more than once.. but that doesn't have to mean the story ends..
Those Moros that got brought in and the pilots that flew them need to be punished.
I'm thinking it's time the Caldari built a new Titan in honour of it, and then used said titan to bridge in a *massive* fleet right on top of the Gallente shipyards. |

MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada
166
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Posted - 2013.03.24 16:02:00 -
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iyammarrok wrote:On the subject of Zor.
He's a capsuleer. not a very good one... seems he hasn't trained up his core skills but still... he can keep comming back because he's one of them pirate capsuleers
(the handwave here comes in the fact that he somehow warps his pod out before it appears on the overview.)
as for 'repeating live events' .... it boils down to the difference between the LE-incursions and the AI ones.
The LE ones were a lot more fun.
RE Zor, you could argue you that the pod dies in the explosion and just keeps his clone nearby |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.03.25 00:11:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:We won't. EVE is a living universe that has consequences - things happen once.
This.
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