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Turbo Geordi The Naked Guns 0	Posted - 2013.03.24 04:31:00 - [1] - Quote The problem: Salvaging a wreck with Plastic Wraps or single items above 27.5k (Cargo Container size) m3 destroys both. I noticed CCP 'fixed' salvaging in a sense, allowing wrecks with more than 27.5k to be salvaged. I didn't notice anything in the patch notes, except maybe http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=74000 this one. It's a little old (Retribution release patch notes, Dec 2012), but... Quote: Salvaging a wreck with packed ships inside is now using the correct volumes for deciding if the wreck can be salvaged at all. That sounds to me like there is still a metric for deciding whether a wreck can be salvaged; it seems to me like any wreck can now be salvaged, at the cost of wraps + items like packed battleships. Everything else drops in a number of cans. Try it. Get a Charon and put a packed Battleship in your cargo. Blow it up until it drops, or at least until the killmail says it drops (try SiSi). It won't drop! Same with Plastic Wraps. They just poof into thin air. Tried petitioning this once or twice, but the GM wouldn't talk about the actual issue itself, just deny reimbursement. Here's my idea: make a Plastic Wrap-esque container that drops for particularly large wrecks. It would save the trouble and more readily identify cans that have been salvaged. Alternatively, reinstate the "no salvaging wrecks with more than 27.5k" rule, except please fix the Plastic Wrap problem because that was there before whatever patch changed the salvaging rule. That should cover it. Anyone else run into this? It's one of those things that happens every time. I can't imagine that this is by design, considering the old rule to prevent salvaging wrecks above 27.5k m3 was meant to protect loss of items into thin air.
Rutger Janssen Xanadu 68	Posted - 2013.03.24 13:00:00 - [2] - Quote Did you file a bug report? Get it attached to a defect, and try petitioning again. It worked for me on an issue over 2 years ago. Bug report processing seem to be really really slow again, had to reopen a bug report with retribution 1.1, still not processed.
Turbo Geordi The Naked Guns 20	Posted - 2013.03.24 15:55:00 - [3] - Quote I did submit a bug report, this seemed like a good course of action as well. Also, I don't imagine I'd be able to petition every single time salvaging kills things and be able to expect the GMs to do much of anything about it on a case-by-case basis. "Somebody salvaged this wreck and now the Vindicator's gone." "Welp, we can't give you the Vindicator, and we obviously can't have a re-do."
Turbo Geordi The Naked Guns 21	Posted - 2013.03.25 00:46:00 - [4] - Quote It's apparently a known issue, and is attached now to a defect. Now to wait forever for CCP to fix it.
Turkey Baster Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished 0	Posted - 2013.03.29 04:43:00 - [5] - Quote Tried petitioning this but GMs don't seem to want to do anything about it once it's happened, and won't say anything about fixing the issue. :-/
youaredumb Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished 7	Posted - 2013.03.29 04:46:00 - [6] - Quote This is really sad that a dev won't even swing by and say "we'll check it out."
Powers Sa 618	Posted - 2013.04.20 09:15:00 - [7] - Quote This specific problem is really getting a lot more obvious during Burn Jita 2 Vote Nullsec for CSM8 Mynnna \|\| Kesper North \|\| Kaleb Rysode \|\| Malc00nis \|\| Artctura \|\| Unforgiven Storm
Kalenn Istarion Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 10	Posted - 2013.04.20 23:23:00 - [8] - Quote This is an issue that should be fixed. Try Harder.
Liarali Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 8	Posted - 2013.04.21 09:17:00 - [9] - Quote Kalenn Istarion wrote: This is an issue that should be fixed. Not empty quoting.
Ivana Twinkle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 331	Posted - 2013.04.21 09:17:00 - [10] - Quote :CCP:
Dredboss Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2013.04.21 09:18:00 - [11] - Quote Please do the needful
Warr Akini Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 26	Posted - 2013.04.28 14:19:00 - [12] - Quote I have a confirmed bug report from the bug interface, but it seems like the GM side can't get its act together and decide whether or not this is "working as intended." Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if a bug was what CCP intended.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety 117	Posted - 2013.05.01 18:46:00 - [13] - Quote Warr Akini wrote: I have a confirmed bug report from the bug interface, but it seems like the GM side can't get its act together and decide whether or not this is "working as intended." Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if a bug was what CCP intended. Just keep in mind that this affects SMAs too.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band 489	Posted - 2013.05.04 05:32:00 - [14] - Quote I don't see why there is a cargo limit to the cans jettisoned from a salvaged wreck. It's not like you can put stuff in them and use them for storage. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's.
Warr Akini Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 28	Posted - 2013.05.06 03:26:00 - [15] - Quote Got one GM saying it's a bug, bug reporters saying it's a bug (I assume they know what they're talking about), but other GMs saying it's not. No one seems to want to comment publicly, though. They could just as easily make a special can for the big fat wrecks that drop; it'd be prohibitively expensive to make those wrecks/cans just for storing things, and the normal jetcan would be the usual size. OR, you could make it so that wrecks don't get destroyed on salvage, they have their own salvage resource that can be depleted while keeping the wreck intact.
Vena Saris GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6	Posted - 2013.05.06 03:28:00 - [16] - Quote How is this even still a thing? SUCKING CHESTWOUNDS
Nethras GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33	Posted - 2013.05.06 03:30:00 - [17] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I don't see why there is a cargo limit to the cans jettisoned from a salvaged wreck. It's not like you can put stuff in them and use them for storage. This does seem to be the simplest solution - a single resulting can with everything in it would be ideal, an overfilled jetcan should work fine right? No idea how the code would actually handle that at the moment, but it seems like you'd just be unable to put anything else into the can until there was space, storing the data for what's in the can comes down to number of items not their size in m3, and I believe that maximum is the same for cargo holds and jetcans right?
David Laurentson Laurentson INC StructureDamage 43	Posted - 2013.05.06 10:59:00 - [18] - Quote Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Warr Akini wrote: I have a confirmed bug report from the bug interface, but it seems like the GM side can't get its act together and decide whether or not this is "working as intended." Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if a bug was what CCP intended. Just keep in mind that this affects SMAs too. I thought that (assembled ships not dropping) was intentional?
Warr Akini Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 29	Posted - 2013.05.13 12:29:00 - [19] - Quote David Laurentson wrote: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Warr Akini wrote: I have a confirmed bug report from the bug interface, but it seems like the GM side can't get its act together and decide whether or not this is "working as intended." Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if a bug was what CCP intended. Just keep in mind that this affects SMAs too. I thought that (assembled ships not dropping) was intentional? Given that assembled ships can be couriered and dropped via plastic wrap, I wouldn't be surprised if CCP didn't really know what it wanted to do with assembled ships. Also, all quiet on this front. No comments by GMs, no one seems to have a clue what they're doing.
Borgelin University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.14 08:58:00 - [20] - Quote I'm a fairly new player, and I'm not comfortable with all the issues emerging on these forums with so little response from the developers.
Rutger Janssen Xanadu 77	Posted - 2013.05.14 09:34:00 - [21] - Quote Borgelin wrote: I'm a fairly new player, and I'm not comfortable with all the issues emerging on these forums with so little response from the developers. The forums aren't the place to discuss bugs, as a matter of fact its a violation of rule 15 of the forum rules (not that it's really enforced) so that devs don't respond isn't that worrying. What is worrying is that it takes years to get the "small" stuff fixed. Ofcourse they're getting around "fixing" things from the past with crimewatch, ship rebalance etc, but the small independent technological bugs are seemingly ignored.
Lize Alann Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:43:00 - [22] - Quote Ran into this today. A++ would get boned by a bug again
Sixx Spades GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 141	Posted - 2013.06.03 14:58:00 - [23] - Quote Confirming that this is still an issue. Ended up losing a plastic wrap due to someone salvaging. We've also lost numerous faction battleships in the past because they didn't fit in a standard jettison container. Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
SilvermanaZ GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.03 14:59:00 - [24] - Quote It sucks to expect something and getting the complete reverse.
Gaara's sniper Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation 5	Posted - 2013.06.03 15:04:00 - [25] - Quote Replying in this thread because i'm mad at current badly thought out mechanics. Even plastic wrap that is only 13350m3 gets destroyed.
Cynoseros Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.03 18:46:00 - [26] - Quote http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for Look what didn't get fixed?
Warr Akini Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 48	Posted - 2013.06.04 13:18:00 - [27] - Quote Yup.
Flaky Barbershop Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.06 12:26:00 - [28] - Quote Rutger Janssen wrote: Ofcourse they're getting around "fixing" things from the past with crimewatch, ship rebalance etc, but the small independent technological bugs are seemingly ignored. Read Odyssey patchnotes, saw a bunch of fixes to stuff that doesn't actually affect people. Nice.
fiskvik Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13	Posted - 2013.06.07 15:56:00 - [29] - Quote Pretty much game breaking this, the fact that you can't salvage the full amount
fiskvik Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13	Posted - 2013.06.07 16:01:00 - [30] - Quote I don't think this is an issue tbh
Flaky Barbershop Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 10:07:00 - [31] - Quote Apparently CCP is looking into this now, but how hard is it to say "sorry meight, can't salvage this" until you fix the root problem?
Warr Akini Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 61	Posted - 2013.06.27 02:48:00 - [32] - Quote Patch note after patch note rolls by, and this thing that got broken in Retribution is still broken. EDIT: Oh right, the Plastic Wrap thing has been broken since forever, I think.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band 571	Posted - 2013.06.27 12:29:00 - [33] - Quote I don't understand why eruption containers should have a volume limit. It's not like you can put anything back into them. Every single bit of stuff in one has an excuse for being there, every time. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's.
Sir Marksalot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 512	Posted - 2013.06.30 17:15:00 - [34] - Quote Warr Akini wrote: Patch note after patch note rolls by, and this thing that got broken in Retribution is still broken. EDIT: Oh right, the Plastic Wrap thing has been broken since forever, I think. How much isk have we lost on this already? 30b-40b at least?

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