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Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.07.31 19:14:00 -
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Alright Jamella honestly I am stick of this post and the other 3 or 4 you started like it. If all you're going to do is complain about us please stop talking. If you're going to do something about then thats different.
Truth hurts hmm?
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.07.31 20:31:00 -
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Jamella, you can't even grasp reality, much less the truth.
How can you say that M0O only fights when the odds are for them? Did you somehow miss the week when half of the threads in this topic were about 7 or so M0O fighting a fleet of dozens of attackers?
It sounds to me like we killed/podded one of your characters, and you're just bitter about it. Let it go!
And as for me whining about it being hard to webify/warp scramble a ship: I'm not whining. I agree that it -should- be hard! I'm simply saying that it's impossible to expect to request a toll without the 'client' getting away.
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Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.07.31 21:34:00 -
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Who said anything about moo?
Read the title, of this post.
I have not had the pleasure of running your blockades yet...
So I couldnt possibly comment on your behaviour.
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csebal
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Posted - 2003.08.01 02:56:00 -
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Alright Jamella honestly I am stick of this post and the other 3 or 4 you started like it. If all you're going to do is complain about us please stop talking. If you're going to do something about then thats different.
Guess what i found in the FAQ:
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Question
How does CCP define "grief tactics"?
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A "grief player" or "griefer" is a player who devotes much of his time to making other players' lives miserable, in large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players without provocation. This should not be confused with a standard conflict which might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently and negatively interfering with the game experience for others may receive a formal warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
Lets see. Killing other player's ships against their will. It could be called griefing, yet we can say, they may hold something valuable, and they didn't stopped (most of the time, u didn't ask either)
Killing the pod after the ship. Definitely an act of griefing. Pointless, unprovoked, and highly agressive act, you do not get anything from, except for the sick pleasure of ruining one's day.
So Cro:
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If all you're going to do is find excuses for griefing
Please STOP! And be happy that the devs are not taking their own rules by letter.
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This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way.
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Jenn
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Posted - 2003.08.01 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: csebal on 27/07/2003 10:54:00
... im talking about podkills, noone cares about ships you blow up...
Have you ever compared the ISK value
of a decent clone to that of a decent ship ?
I don't really care about loosing a pod
right after loosing a ship.
In fact, getting pod-killed has some advantages:
It lights up the map for others, and,
at least the pod-kill gets you 'home' quickly 
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2003.08.01 11:05:00 -
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OMG!!! WHO CARES ABOUT THAT DAMN TOPIC OR M3G4 OR W/E!!!
CRO!! WHERED YOU GET THOSE CHILLIN GLASSES!?!
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Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.08.01 11:43:00 -
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Probably the people who read the thread 2718 times...
On a sidenote, forget his glasses! Where did you get your capslock key from!?
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2003.08.01 11:44:00 -
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hahahahaha, alright who's alt is this? come on fess up!
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.08.01 14:42:00 -
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Jamella: Sorry if you weren't flaming at me, but you quoted me, touched on the quote, and then directly afterward said,
"Of course you would never do this because you are cowards. You dont feel safe when not holding each others hands, or holding on to a jump gate."
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Cro Ramel
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Posted - 2003.08.01 15:52:00 -
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Propehcy - Special order from the 1980's. Had to collect many tolls to purchase these things.
Gate camping isn't grieving. Gate campers don't go out of their way to cause grief, they sit there. If you have a problem, go around.
"If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
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Anastasia Grimoire
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Posted - 2003.08.01 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Anastasia Grimoire on 01/08/2003 16:42:08
No offense, Cro, but that statement is a bit like standing a toll booth with a loaded gun, threatening people to pay or 'use another booth'. Of course, you don't give them the option to back their car out, either, if they don't *want* to pay. You pretty much just whip out the big 'ol RPG and lay waste. :P
The fact that you so generously offered an alternative doesn't give you the right to screw with people who unwittingly picked your lane to travel. And, again, hey, that's cool. I don't endorse the thought of y'all being kicked from the game because someone found a loophole in CCPs EULA. I simply condone the extermination of your entire, pathetic corporation.
Yes, that thought really does make me smile. LOL
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Anastasia Grimoire
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Posted - 2003.08.01 16:49:00 -
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And while I'm at it, I'll give a clear-cut example of what I consider to be both acceptable griefing and unacceptable griefing.
Aceeptable would be gate-camping. It's a good tactic, moderately effective on a small scale. It's annoying as hell, but really, that's a fact of life. Since anyone you blow up doing it is gonna be annoyed.
Non-acceptable griefing would be some of the things I've seen in local after a fight broke out, both on the sides of the pirates/campers and the people they killed. There is *no* call for racial slurs, name-calling, or other behaviour like that.
Unless they're Galliente. Then it's perfectly acceptable to make a ***** about them pointing their turrets into the air and yelling 'WE SURRENDER!' because of their French origins. :)
(Yes, I'm kidding. LOL)
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Cro Ramel
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Posted - 2003.08.01 17:06:00 -
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Just to pose a question. Jamella what sort of PvP isn't grieving in your eyes?
"If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
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Cro Ramel
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Posted - 2003.08.01 17:14:00 -
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Csebal - A "grief player" or "griefer" is a player who devotes much of his time to making other players' lives miserable, in large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players without provocation. This should not be confused with a standard conflict which might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently and negatively interfering with the game experience for others may receive a formal warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
Thats funny because this game is based a lot around competition. I would say that constantly being under-cut by people on the market is consistently and negatively interfering with my game experience. Those people must be griefers too. Lets not declare war on any corporations because wrecking their ships and disrupting their operations might give those players a negative game experience. Lets take all those NPC pirates out of the game too, they're ruining my mining experience with their grief tactics. Sigh, and I don't even gate camp...
"If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
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csebal
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Posted - 2003.08.01 18:24:00 -
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Csebal - A "grief player" or "griefer" is a player who devotes much of his time to making other players' lives miserable, in large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players without provocation. This should not be confused with a standard conflict which might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently and negatively interfering with the game experience for others may receive a formal warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
Thats funny because this game is based a lot around competition. I would say that constantly being under-cut by people on the market is consistently and negatively interfering with my game experience. Those people must be griefers too. Lets not declare war on any corporations because wrecking their ships and disrupting their operations might give those players a negative game experience. Lets take all those NPC pirates out of the game too, they're ruining my mining experience with their grief tactics. Sigh, and I don't even gate camp...
Someone mentioned, that podkilling is not that big of a problem. WELL, IT IS. A decent clone costs almost as much as the ship itself, and if you are over a given skillpoint ammount, you'll lose precious weeks of training time.
Then come back and tell me again which is better: working two days for a new cruiser, or losing a weeks (or even just days) worth of training time.
Cro:
I just quoted the FAQ of CCP. If you would take the time to read my post, you would notice me mentioning, that while normal gate camping may not classify as griefing (If you really try, you can find reasons why you had to blow up that ship), podkilling everyone in your way certainly is.
Again i add, that i DO NOT CARE about you or your actions. My only problem here was, that u fabricate stupid excuses, ideologies to explain why you are griefing.
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This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way.
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Anastasia Grimoire
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Posted - 2003.08.01 19:20:00 -
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LOL, that could be too f'ing funny, if ya worded it differently.
"All you people, moaning about the unfairness on this forum, are repeatedly denying me the pleasure of being a gate-camper. Your accounts should be suspended."
That one should go in teh quote books.
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Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.08.01 22:23:00 -
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Just to pose a question. Jamella what sort of PvP isn't grieving in your eyes?
True PvP is where both parties involved want to engage in combat.
Griefing/PK'ing because you can is simply being a bully picking on weaker opponents.
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2003.08.01 22:42:00 -
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Hmmm... Just curious to know what you consider to be true pirating as regards to this game?
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CreepyLonghair
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Posted - 2003.08.02 00:08:00 -
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Hmmm... Just curious to know what you consider to be true pirating as regards to this game?
It's pretty simple really...threats of death,harm or damage in an attempt to extort money or goods.
A million miles away from the usual M3G4 style of ;
Victim "err why did you just PK me?"
M3G4_Numpty "hehe..LOL..haha"
Victim "?"
M3G4_Numpty "LOL..hehe...rofl...coz I can"
M3G4 really should teach the concept to some of their members....you never know they may even start turning a profit if they can get the hang of it.
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Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.08.02 00:23:00 -
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Pirating with regards to this game would involve, disrupting mining or trading operations. This does not necessarily involve killing.
Combat should be the last course of action, not the first.
Killing for the sake of killing is not pirating. Asking for tolls at a gate, IMO is not pirating..
I wouldnt waste my time or ammo shooting everything I see, just because I can.
I believe the majority of the EVE players would not like to see pirates go from EVE, but there are so few real pirates in the game at the moment. There are more and more players PK'ing and hiding behind the guise of "pirating"... this isnt what is wanted.
As I stated before, you are suppose to be pirating to earn some good money... If you were serious about pirating then you would research various mining operations, and then ambush them. Its not all gate camping.
You can pirate without even firing a shot.
I have no problem with pirates, they add content, and it is great fun, beating them down, when their eyes are bigger than their bellys.
I do have a problem with players who deliberately go out to cause destruction to all other players, who they happen to come accross. Destroying a ship and destroying an escape capsule for no reason at all is griefing, I dont care what excuse people give.
I guess it takes a level of maturity to grasp this.
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2003.08.02 00:54:00 -
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All I can say is, I ask you to stop, you do and pay, your free to go, Don't stop and pay or don't stop and start trash talking then that's where it starts to get interesting, that's when you insist on making my job really hard, and for that consequences will come of it, I personally didn't get into pirating so i could shoot people's ships out from under them every time i see somebody, I'm in it for the chance to make money without having to work for it just like real-life modern day pirates out in the south pacific. Occasionally theirs going to be bad days and there's going to be good days, I'll take them both with equal stride, But yeah I'm more interested in making the moolah than any kinda random killing all over the place.
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DEMON
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Posted - 2003.08.02 02:18:00 -
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Just a point that csebal made and i quote
" Some of you say, you would hate mining so you fight. Well, fight then, go out to 0.0 and kill those npc cruisers with a frigate if you need challenge. "
aaargh!! this is an online game. dumbass.. the npc element ruins it. let the pirates be real let the police be real etc. killing npc pirates for a challenge.?? lol i can do that kinda stuff with an offline game 
i pay subscription to eve BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO PLAY AGAINST NPC i want to pit my wits against people that the whole point of being ONLINE DUH!!! and as for m3g4 corp ..
so what! thats their business at least they aint paying subscription to hug rocks all day they are actually doing something different. if there were more corps like them then we would sell more ships more ammo etc .
remember this game relies on sales of goods and your selling SHIPS and AMMO and GUNS and they are for KILLING and DEFENCE.. you cant make a living here selling bread. or toys .. so its thanx to the player pirate corps killing ppl that the eve world actually goes around. the damn game is close enough to a mining simulator as it is..
i have been blown up by lord zap and his gang twice lost my moa my guns my goods everything but i didnt care cos he was a real player he defeated me. i dealt with it. life goes on.
if i died to npc player then i would have probably gone mental cos that really sux.
shut up moaning and mind your own business and do your own thing.. do u see pirates slaggin miners off sayin "duh they must be retards paying subscription 12 dollars a month to look at boulders and jettison every few seconds " duh!!
your life in eve is your own business what ever ppl chose to do .. deal with it.
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.08.02 08:29:00 -
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::bolts a tampon dispenser to this thread::
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Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.08.02 09:08:00 -
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Did DEMON completly lose the plot with this thread or is it just me?
Everyone wants pirates in the game, but what everyone does not want is griefers, who say they are pirates.
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.08.02 09:23:00 -
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This 'griefers' bull**** reminds me of the 'weapons of mass destruction' Bushgasm. I think it's cute that the *****ing has taken another step toward standardization. All we need now is a post template for the flaming bitter! Choices would look something like:
() Haha, you pirates always jump thru the starg8s, LMAO ROFL!!!!! n00bz!!!
() The only reazon you griefers kill ppl is bcuz u enjoy making others suffer! I know this becuz I was a business major, and am very well versed in psichologie.
() o man you M0O/M3G4/SINC/SI (this might have to be a drop-down box) are such pussies!~!~!~!11!~!1 (another dropdown box for commonly flamed names, e.g.: Ywev, Rancid, etc.) was killed by only 3 battleshipz~~~!! LOL!!! you sux0r!
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2003.08.02 11:06:00 -
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xeno, let me be 1st to congradulate you on an excellent post, and quite amuzing if i might add.
Congrats!
Proph
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg
Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.08.02 12:16:00 -
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The only reazon you griefers kill ppl is bcuz u enjoy making others suffer!
Of course. Im glad you recognise that.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.08.02 15:00:00 -
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The only reazon you griefers kill ppl is bcuz u enjoy making others suffer!
Of course. Im glad you recognise that.
Miss quoting, people isnt clever, just shows how pig headed you are!
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Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.08.02 18:38:00 -
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Miss quoting, people isnt clever, just shows how pig headed you are!
Nobody said it was, but while you are on the subject on being clever...
It isnt clever to go round destroying everything you see, and then killing pods either.
Thank you please!
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Valen L'eganas
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Posted - 2003.08.02 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Valen L'eganas on 02/08/2003 19:33:45
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hell when i pod people it saves them a long slow walk home!
Well said!!! 
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