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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
756
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:24:00 -
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Many cultures are often granted 'teachable moments' to illuminate errors in judgement and leadership.
In our recent past the Amarr suffered a great defeat to the Jove... compounded by opportunistic Federation meddling in arming , supplying, and inciting rebellion among our rightful property the Matari.
This was not the fault of the Jove, nor the Matari, nor the Federation; it was solely the fault of inept leadership leading to hundreds of years of navel-gazing, shattered psyche, and loss of proper purpose among many of the Amarr. Something the Amarr are just now clawing their way out of, despite the current deplorable situation in the Empire (another topic perhaps).
The State has recently suffered a great defeat to the Federation. Again this defeat was not the fault of the Federation, nor the brave combatants, but solely the fault of inept leadership. This deplorable situation for the State if left uncorrected I'm afraid will also lead to decades of Caldari navel-gazing, second guessing, and a loss of purpose.
Caldari would be wise to study Imperial mistakes, especially the mistakes after the loss at Vak A'tioth, in order to perhaps steer a brighter, swifter path back towards success.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
734
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:01:00 -
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Worry not, Lady Vitalia.
We are paying attention. |

Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
612
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:15:00 -
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The only way things in the State will get better is if they get rid of Heth. That must be step one. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
756
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:56:00 -
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You seem to be quickly developing a habit of telling the Caldari how we should behave, respond, react and develop.
You may not have noticed, we're not overly fond of that. ~Malcolm Khross
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
757
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:01:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:You seem to be quickly developing a habit of telling the Caldari how we should behave, respond, react and develop.
You may not have noticed, we're not overly fond of that.
I believe you are also not fond of losing territory and being hobbled by Federals in front of billions of onlookers while being led by a shell of a man. Re-evaluations are in order.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
757
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:02:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:You seem to be quickly developing a habit of telling the Caldari how we should behave, respond, react and develop.
You may not have noticed, we're not overly fond of that.
On second thought perhaps you are right, Mr. Khross. I think you people are only going to learn the hard way. Unfortunate. Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
756
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:03:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: I believe you are also not fond of losing territory and being hobbled by Federals in front of billions of onlookers while being led by a shell of a man. Re-evaluations are in order.
What you believe is irrelevant. Re-evaluations may be in order, but that is for us to decide. I appreciate your attempt to be a solid ally and offer advice but you are crossing the line between acceptable counseling and patronizing. ~Malcolm Khross
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Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
405
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:14:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: I believe you are also not fond of losing territory and being hobbled by Federals in front of billions of onlookers while being led by a shell of a man. Re-evaluations are in order.
What you believe is irrelevant. Re-evaluations may be in order, but that is for us to decide. I appreciate your attempt to be a solid ally and offer advice but you are crossing the line between acceptable counseling and patronizing.
I believe she is a Blood Raider, or close enough, so..."ally" might be taking it a bit far. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
757
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:17:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: I believe you are also not fond of losing territory and being hobbled by Federals in front of billions of onlookers while being led by a shell of a man. Re-evaluations are in order.
What you believe is irrelevant. Re-evaluations may be in order, but that is for us to decide. I appreciate your attempt to be a solid ally and offer advice but you are crossing the line between acceptable counseling and patronizing.
I'm interested in a Strong State for many reasons.
But as my sage advice seems unwanted, you all have fun with the whole thing.
Some lessons need be learned the hard way.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Nicoletta Mithra
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
230
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:44:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:In our recent past the Amarr suffered a great defeat to the Jove... compounded by opportunistic Federation meddling in arming , supplying, and inciting rebellion among our rightful property the Matari.
Ms. Vitalia, you're not Amarr anymore, you're a heretic. Don't act as if you are, what you're not: You're not one of the chosen. You turned away from God. You're the worst a human can be and and as un-Amarrian as it gets, a twisted being and a caricature of what the Lord intended you to be.
You are not Amarr, so don't speak as if you belong to us, the faithful servants of Lord God.
As to the Caldari reading her poisonous words, please keep in mind that she is a heretic and antithetic to what the Empire stands for. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
757
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:52:00 -
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Off topic, dear.
And I know many of you all better than you know yourselves. What lies in your heart and the will that burns so very brightly.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
4
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:58:00 -
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Ms. Vitalia, you're simply confirming our belief that you are arrogant and patronizing. Perhaps it may be best to stop before you reinforce this belief further yet. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
757
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Posted - 2013.03.25 22:07:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Ms. Vitalia, you're simply confirming our belief that you are arrogant and patronizing. Perhaps it may be best to stop before you reinforce this belief further yet.
Don't shoot the messenger, they do occasionally bring you something useful.
But as said earlier, I'll let it drop. Let's bury this whole little thread now.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Esna Pitoojee
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
258
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Posted - 2013.03.25 22:26:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
Don't shoot the messenger, they do occasionally bring you something useful.
But as said earlier, I'll let it drop. Let's bury this whole little thread now.
And occasionally they bring you a bag full of rotten worms.
In which case the usual procedure regardless of culture is to wonder whether the messenger is insane, so ignorant they didn't notice, or are willfully spiting you. |

Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis
344
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Posted - 2013.03.26 00:47:00 -
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One big difference is that the state can not only survive, but thrive with this. A harsh live breeds strong body and mind, filters out the weak. Reports are that the caldari have retained the surface. To the caldari, this is not a crushing blow, but a rally cry. That is for me who was there!
Now imagine the filtered news being fed the Caldari populous. I hardly think it is going to be tales of loss and woe. Just not our way. |

Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
406
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Posted - 2013.03.26 01:17:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:One big difference is that the state can not only survive, but thrive with this. A harsh live breeds strong body and mind, filters out the weak. Reports are that the caldari have retained the surface. To the caldari, this is not a crushing blow, but a rally cry. That is for me who was there!
Now imagine the filtered news being fed the Caldari populous. I hardly think it is going to be tales of loss and woe. Just not our way.
My dear sir, if you think that we capsuleers and immortal soldiers can actually affect the flow of events, you are sadly deluded. |

Gwen Ikiryo
Hoderi's Folly
77
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Posted - 2013.03.26 01:44:00 -
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Looking back, the occupation was obvious folly through and though. There was no viable way we might've held the planet with a single small fleet in the long term, especially with it in the middle of foreign territory. At best, we might've hoped to inflict a great deal of destruction against the Federation alongside our inevitable own.
It, like Heth's instatement into power in the first place, was a ridiculous and opportunistic affair based on an illogical and emotionally driven decision at a national scale. An utter divorce from reality to achieve a shallow, quick-fix to a far deeper problem. One that has quite possibly persisted since the Caldari peoples pride was struck so many years ago in being made subservient and reliant upon the Gallente at the dawn of their shared interstellar civilization.
In all he did, the Executor lulled, us, lulled the State, into a pleasant and soothing dream - But it was a dream still, and nothing more. |

Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
7
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:12:00 -
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I have to say I lost most of my interest when you refered to people being property. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
384
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:26:00 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote: In all he did, the Executor lulled, us, lulled the State, into a pleasant and soothing dream - But it was a dream still, and nothing more.
It is not a dream. It is a goal. Goal, that we have to reach, and to reach it we have to act. Together. As one. As the State. And when one starts to dream about goal without really acting, it is truly becomes only a dream. We shouldn't allow it happen! We must remain strong with will and resolution! |

Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
8
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:28:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Gwen Ikiryo wrote: In all he did, the Executor lulled, us, lulled the State, into a pleasant and soothing dream - But it was a dream still, and nothing more.
It is not a dream. It is a goal. Goal, that we have to reach, and to reach it we have to act. Together. As one. As the State. And when one starts to dream about goal without really acting, it is truly becomes only a dream. We shouldn't allow it happen! We must remain strong with will and resolution!
So you want more death over this foolishness? Its because of people like you that I'm glad the titan is gone. One less gun in the sky. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
384
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:35:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote: So you want more death over this foolishness? Its because of people like you that I'm glad the titan is gone. One less gun in the sky.
This is not a foolishness, this is a goal, that can be reached. And no, I don't want more deaths. But, unfortunately, deaf to words gallente can't be disposed of by peaceful means.
And maybe titan is gone and his valorous crew, that fought bravery in the sight of outnumbering forces, has joined ancestors, we still have many other guns, and in this battle we took down much more guns than lost.
Unfortunately, loss of our "gun" made the planet vulnerable. But these treacherous dogs has recieved a huge blow, so huge, so one of their supercarriers flee in terror from the battlefield. We have shown them the Caldari spirit!
And this is not the end. |

Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
8
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:41:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote: So you want more death over this foolishness? Its because of people like you that I'm glad the titan is gone. One less gun in the sky.
This is not a foolishness, this is a goal, that can be reached. And no, I don't want more deaths. But, unfortunately, deaf to words gallente can't be disposed of by peaceful means. And maybe titan is gone and his valorous crew, that fought bravery in the sight of outnumbering forces, has joined ancestors, we still have many other guns, and in this battle we took down much more guns than lost. Unfortunately, loss of our "gun" made the planet vulnerable. But these treacherous dogs has recieved a huge blow, so huge, so one of their supercarriers flee in terror from the battlefield. We have shown them the Caldari spirit! And this is not the end.
Uh, they 'fled' after the Caldari fleet was gone and let idiot capsuleers fight amongst themselves. I think after a battle you are supposed to go back to dock, not stay hovering over a planet like the Titan was. Rearm, refuel and some rest. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
384
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:01:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote: Uh, they 'fled' after the Caldari fleet was gone and let idiot capsuleers fight amongst themselves. I think after a battle you are supposed to go back to dock, not stay hovering over a planet like the Titan was. Rearm, refuel and some rest.
At the end of the battle Gallente strike force was reduced only to two moroses. And add to this a supercarrier Nyx that run away during the battle. I don't know how many of them run during the battle, but knowing gallentean nature I wouldn't be surprised if something else run away before battle ended. I noticed only supercarrier, that I was shooting. |

Vlad Cetes
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
25
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Posted - 2013.03.26 21:36:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Many cultures are often granted 'teachable moments' to illuminate errors in judgement and leadership.
In our recent past the Amarr suffered a great defeat to the Jove... compounded by opportunistic Federation meddling in arming , supplying, and inciting rebellion among our rightful property the Matari.
This was not the fault of the Jove, nor the Matari, nor the Federation; it was solely the fault of inept leadership leading to hundreds of years of navel-gazing, shattered psyche, and loss of proper purpose among many of the Amarr. Something the Amarr are just now clawing their way out of, despite the current deplorable situation in the Empire (another topic perhaps).
The State has recently suffered a great defeat to the Federation. Again this defeat was not the fault of the Federation, nor the brave combatants, but solely the fault of inept leadership. This deplorable situation for the State if left uncorrected I'm afraid will also lead to decades of Caldari navel-gazing, second guessing, and a loss of purpose.
Caldari would be wise to study Imperial mistakes, especially the mistakes after the loss at Vak A'tioth, in order to perhaps steer a brighter, swifter path back towards success.
Correct, the captain of the Shigeru was an idiot. He should have forced the Gallente into making a choice they could not. Either leave the field or lose Gallente Prime.
I do not think the Gallente could have stood having Oblivion and a full barrage of torpedos fired at Gallente Prime. |

Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1396
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Posted - 2013.03.26 22:08:00 -
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Was the Shiigeru pinned down and warp scrambled?
She was a deterrence against the Gallente assaulting the Homeworld directly, why was she not moved to orbit of Gallente Prime, revelived by a second Titan over the Homeworld and remind the Gallente we were holding back? Statisticaly we Caldari Navy has the newest and largest Battleship Squadrons, why were these not bridged into Caldari Prime Orbit?
I am frankly disgusted by the assault the Gallente perpetrated, the blatant disregard for the Gallente Civilian population had the Shiigeru been forced to fire her Doomsday in anger at the Crystal Boulevard.
We want out Homeworld, not an Empire build on the Gallente. We are better than that, and thought better of the Gallente too.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. |

Hotuban Klimut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.03.26 22:51:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: Don't shoot the messenger, they do occasionally bring you something useful.
But as said earlier, I'll let it drop. Let's bury this whole little thread now.
Hueh. The irony is palpable. |

Laerise
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
43
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Posted - 2013.03.29 20:49:00 -
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Ah, "Vak'Atioth"
The TC have dismissed that claim. |
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