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Tinilla
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:19:00 -
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I'm almost done setting up to get my first Assault ship and wondering which would be better to start with.
I have no missile skills to speak of so -1 on the Enyo, I do have a good deal of drone skills (drones 5, drone interface 3, heavy drones 4, gallente drone spec 4, scout drone op 3) so +1 for the Ishkur.
However, the Enyo's turret tracking bonus looks very nice compared to a bit more drone space on the Ishkur.
Any experianced pilot suggestions on how the two compare?
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Arte
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:30:00 -
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I'd guess it depends on what you want to use it for.
If it's pvp then I'd guess the enyo would be great. Seen and heard a lot of great things about it. The missile slot isn't going to make the difference in a battle, perhaps load a rocket launcher and defenders to ward of torpedos (probably useless against other missile types). Won't take you long at all to train up to use it. This is what I'd go for without knowing more about what you can do in combat skills wise.
The Iskur is going to make best use of your skills though by the sounds of it. Drones in pvp are usually a 'clincher' though, and not necessarily to be relied on, as you can lose them if you have to warp away, or they get blown up. They'll obviously make a difference though and if you're comfortable using them (the upcoming patch will make their use in combat easier with "return and scoop") and tactics warrant it, then go for it and spend a little more time on your drone skills to take full advantage.
If you're doing NPC's then which ever suits your play style best would be the choice and judging by your skill specialization, then that would be the ishkur.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:33:00 -
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Forgot missiles on an Enyo. Its just not worth trying to fit anything after the launcher PG increase. Enyo is awesome for killing other assaults and cruisers, Ishkur is mainly good against frigs and is cheaper.
The enyo tracking bonus is mostly worthless as you will be fitting 125mm's or Ion's. In theory it makes 150's good against fast frigs, but fitting 125's and two damage mods gives more damage then 150's with one. And you will be sorely pressed fitting 150's and much else.
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franny
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Posted - 2005.08.31 01:25:00 -
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with electronics 4 and weapon upgrades 4 a standard missile launcher fits(125mm rails, mag stab, std launcher, the rest of a normal setup)
and with the missile changes, the only missiles that actually hurt the enyo are light and heavy explosives(resist gap), the rest are kinda like big flys
so defenders are nice to have in the cargo, but i've used umm 11, where as I use light missiles for added dmg like candy
back on topic, it looks like the ishkur would use much your skills more fully, but both ships are fun and it comes to personal choice(so says the person with 2 enyos and 1 ishkur in the same hanger) |
Ante
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Posted - 2005.08.31 04:18:00 -
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IMO the Ishkur is only worth while if you can make a decent fitting out of it. With tweaked setups the Ishkur edges the Enyo out dps wise by about 15-20 dps. Also I find that the Enyo is better vs frigates than the Ishkur because the frigs are better at taking out your drones than say cruisers or battleships.
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Franky B
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Posted - 2005.08.31 04:23:00 -
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4x150mm T2 rails, 1xarbalest standard launcher
1 web, 1 eutectic cap charger
1x small armor repper, 1 xexplsive membrane/1x adaptive membrane, 2 cap relays.
tanks like a mofo (runs everything on that list forever)
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Orvas Dren
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Posted - 2005.08.31 05:01:00 -
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My favorite so far is the Enyo, I run all my LVL 3 missions with it. Look at this as a setup...
4 x 125mm II
1 x Arbalest Standard
1 x 1MN AB II
1 x X5 or Fleeting Web
1 x Small Armor Rep II
1 x Energized Adaptive or Explosive plate (Explosive for Angel's or PvP)
1 x Mag Stab II
1 x Cap Relay II
Fits just barely, tanks anything a LVL 3 pumps out so long as you take out webbers fast. Stay away from Blasters, they leave you lacking when something webbs you from 8km away...
For your skills though, and if you are decent with drone control techniques, you should do just fine with the Scout drone range. If I remember correctly, you can send light drones out WAY far with that.
Especially if you upgrade to a bunch of T2 Lights.
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Zac Paris
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Posted - 2005.08.31 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zac Paris on 31/08/2005 07:45:02
 Originally by: Orvas Dren
My favorite so far is the Enyo, I run all my LVL 3 missions with it. Look at this as a setup...
4 x 125mm II
1 x Arbalest Standard
1 x 1MN AB II
1 x X5 or Fleeting Web
1 x Small Armor Rep II
1 x Energized Adaptive or Explosive plate (Explosive for Angel's or PvP)
1 x Mag Stab II
1 x Cap Relay II
Fits just barely, tanks anything a LVL 3 pumps out so long as you take out webbers fast. Stay away from Blasters, they leave you lacking when something webbs you from 8km away...
For your skills though, and if you are decent with drone control techniques, you should do just fine with the Scout drone range. If I remember correctly, you can send light drones out WAY far with that.
Especially if you upgrade to a bunch of T2 Lights.
I think I will try this setup. I really struggle to do lvl3s in my Enyo, I've already lost two, but I'm determined to do it.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.08.31 07:47:00 -
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 lvl3 is a peice of cake with an enyo
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Zac Paris
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Posted - 2005.08.31 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten
lvl3 is a peice of cake with an enyo
Some of them I can manage, but the Spy Stash gives me the most trouble. Obviously I'm doing something terribly wrong if they're supposed to be a piece of cake.
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Fuazzole
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Posted - 2005.08.31 10:02:00 -
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get the ishkur 1st,...can cost 12-14mill
and has flashing prong's
if money isn't an issue get both
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franny
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Posted - 2005.08.31 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zac Paris
Originally by: Kaeten
lvl3 is a peice of cake with an enyo
Some of them I can manage, but the Spy Stash gives me the most trouble. Obviously I'm doing something terribly wrong if they're supposed to be a piece of cake.
spy stash is vs angels right?
whats your EXPLOSIVE resist when you fight them?
you need an explosive hardener of some sort(passive, active) |
R31D
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Posted - 2005.08.31 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Fuazzole
get the ishkur 1st,...can cost 12-14mill
and has flashing prong's
if money isn't an issue get both
Yeah, the cattle-prods are cool once you get used to them. I'd have to disagree though,. The Enyo is an easier ship to fly and more forgiving. It'll help give you a feel for Assault Ships and how the perform. Then you can move onto the Ishkur and start having a bit more fun seeing as it's a less 'cookie-cutter' style ship
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Kuningatar
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Posted - 2005.08.31 15:40:00 -
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You buy both of course.
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Joshua Keeling
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Posted - 2005.08.31 15:46:00 -
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Actually the DPS is not that much different between the two.
If you've got scout drone V and are using 8 small tech II drones the enyo is only like 5 DPS ahead of the Ishkur, but the Ishkur has got that nossie slot or neutralizer which could easily shift a battle.
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:20:00 -
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The Ishkur took a lot of figuring out for me, but I've arrived at a setup I'm pretty happy with. The Enyo is a much neater ship, but they're definately both great fun. I would say try and get both.
Don't try to fit an Ishkur out like you would an Enyo, though. At least for PvP. You'll be disappointed because an Enyo is inherently better at being an Enyo than an Ishkur.
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babo
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:53:00 -
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enyo for more skills, ishkur for fewer skills.
both are amazing ships, but the ishkur is 'mean' in pvp if you have decent drone skills.. can do a vamp setup and dump out 9 lights on your foe while they sit there wondering what happened.
They enyo is a little DOT machine and just is good for pumping ammo into your foe.
Between the two, personally, I am more worried about the Ishkur.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: babo
enyo for more skills, ishkur for fewer skills.
both are amazing ships, but the ishkur is 'mean' in pvp if you have decent drone skills.. can do a vamp setup and dump out 9 lights on your foe while they sit there wondering what happened.
They enyo is a little DOT machine and just is good for pumping ammo into your foe.
Between the two, personally, I am more worried about the Ishkur.
I would say the opposite.
Enyo just needs goog gunnery skills and that's all.
Ishkur requires more than just gunnery skills.
oh and 150mm are best in enyo imho.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.31 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/08/2005 19:56:34
ishkur is the best PVP assault frig.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.08.31 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/08/2005 19:56:34
ishkur is the best PVP assault frig.
10 light drones ftw eh?
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Grimpak, all round nice guy |
DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.31 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/08/2005 19:56:34
ishkur is the best PVP assault frig.
10 light drones ftw eh?
No my drone skills suck 
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.08.31 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: R31D on 31/08/2005 22:08:52
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/08/2005 19:56:34
ishkur is the best PVP assault frig.
10 light drones ftw eh?
No my drone skills suck
4 mediums do more damage than 10 lights I seem to remember
edit: even if I'm wrong, with the ability to use 10 lights you canfit 5 mediums, which definitely outdamage them 
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franny
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Posted - 2005.08.31 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
No my drone skills suck
damn!, thats the main reason I don't really fly mine
my drone skills are crap 
i'll have to train my drone skills more, once i'm done with this learning skill |
Sten Eneth
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Posted - 2005.08.31 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: R31D
edit: even if I'm wrong, with the ability to use 10 lights you canfit 5 mediums, which definitely outdamage them
Well 10 light t2 OD 5 med t1.
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.08.31 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sten Eneth
Originally by: R31D
edit: even if I'm wrong, with the ability to use 10 lights you canfit 5 mediums, which definitely outdamage them
Well 10 light t2 OD 5 med t1.
Yes, but you see there you're comparing T2 to T1, which is stupid.
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