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Lone Gunman
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Posted - 2003.07.25 22:16:00 -
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EVE ONLINE: The Second Genesis
Space Junk By Arcadian Del Sol
Eve Online comes so close to being a great game. It is absolutely stunning to look at, and has one of the best collections of ingame music I have ever heard. Unfortunetly, this stunning mood is crushed by an interface that has all the charm of a TPS Report.
Your screen is a collection of pop-ups, and you spend tons of time performing click and drag operations. For example, after mining minerals from asteroids, you must dock at a station, open your ship window, open your station window, and then click and drag from one to the other before you can process it.
If by some heroic measure of tolerance you are able to move passed that, you'll discover that the game is not ready for prime time. Bug fixes are bolted on to it, only to removed when the remedy turns out to be worse than the disease, making the servers too frequently unavailable for a game that wants you to pay a monthly access fee. If that weren't bad enough, the support website has all the synergy of post-Cold War Russia, where every feature operates as an independent nation-state. The online support database, the support forums, the "ask a question" e-mail interface-each requires it's own login ID and password. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but for $13 a month, I expect a toll free phone number with a live voice at the other end.
On the positive side, and unlike other games in which your skill gains are bound by how quickly you can smelt iron or cleave trolls. Eve-Online uses an egg timer. You mark a skill to gain, and in the passing of time, it raises to the next level. So what? Well, the cool part is that the timer doesn't stop ticking when you log out. At higher levels you can train
in a skill, go on a holiday cruise, and find yourself ready for the next level by the time you get back home.
Finally, an online game that doesn't punish you for having a day job.
The bottom line? The game is not entirely unfun to play, but if you looking for a fast-paced interstellar-shooter, then keep looking.
VERDICT 2/5 Stars "Looks and sounds great, but there is no game here."
May the Flaming begin......
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Lexington Cabot
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Posted - 2003.07.25 22:22:00 -
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"Maybe I'm old fashioned, but for $13 a month, I expect a toll free phone number with a live voice at the other end. "
This person has obviously never tried to call their local cable company about repairs. 
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.07.25 22:24:00 -
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If you know those reviewer gave AC2 85%-90% rate, then you'll understand where they came from. They came from planet apes and have no clue about any game on planet earth.
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.07.25 22:33:00 -
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It seems that if a game doesn't give INSTANT gratification now-a-days that it get's poor reviews.
And about expecting a live voice on the otherside of the phone. Well they obviously have never played any other MMORPGs. On another note I had to call 6 different phone numbers (yes actually hang up and dial a different one) to get my FREAKING DSL line fixed, and even then all I heard was a machine.
So the motto for reviews seems to be "If it ain't twitch, we gonna *****". <--- hehe im creative.
Neways, that's just another reason I don't listen to critics.
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Keltin
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Posted - 2003.07.25 22:39:00 -
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I stopped giving reviewers a chance a long time ago.
If I am even remotely interested in something I am going to try it. I have been playing EVE Online less than a week, and I don't find much of what this reviews says as being true at all.
There is a cold hard fact in any MMORPG, you have to TRY at the game if you want to be spoon-fed like in your normal FPS you will not have fun. Reviewers, are not people that I have come to rely on for gaming information. If I have a friend from work or a friend that has played other games that gives me a breakdown I find it much more reliable. There is a lot that review leaves out, the objectiveness of the reviewer is a big question mark for me.
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.07.25 22:54:00 -
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"It seems that if a game doesn't give INSTANT gratification now-a-days that it get's poor reviews."
hahahahahaha... that's about the funniest quote I've heard in awhile.
So basically, you're saying a "GAME" doesn't always have to be fun? I thought that was the very definition of a game.... something to do...for FUN!
Now I've been playing eve since almost day 1. and I've mostly enjoyed it... and I enjoy it enough to slap 13/month down on it. But to suggest that the review doesn't have quite a bit of truth to it is just being a blind loyal robot.
So.... first off, the second this game stops being fun ALL the time, I'm outta here... it's only a game and I only play it for fun. That's not a critisism...that's just the facts.
and secondly, it's got great potential, but that means it's not what it should be yet. I'm hoping it gets there, but there are some really badly implemented things in the game, and eventually it will probably be one of those things that finally drives me to hit the cancel button...but hopefully they get fixed.
Personally I'm about 50% there.... I actually re-installed diablo-LOD the other day for my wife to play .... and I've actually been having more fun at that...so who knows...
I would always rather hear what's wrong with a game rather than whats right... That's where you learn what to fix.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.25 23:22:00 -
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Its got no slugs in it - of course Arcadian wouldn't like it.
Go figure.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.07.25 23:27:00 -
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What I found most interesting is the last comment:
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but if you looking for a fast-paced interstellar-shooter, then keep looking.
Did he actually know what kind of game he was reviewing? EVE was never designed to be "a fast-paced interstellar-shooter" 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.25 23:33:00 -
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"So basically, you're saying a "GAME" doesn't always have to be fun? I thought that was the very definition of a game.... something to do...for FUN!"
I'd think it's more of a specific combination of 'fun' and 'challenge' -- while the participation in the latter often results in the former, this is not always the case. In particular, many people do not enjoy the part of challenge that is losing to someone....as you can clearly observe in lots of threads on these boards.
For that matter, the former element doesn't always require the latter as well; quite an amount of fun can apparently be derrived from game activities which are no challenge at all.
So... a game should be fun, yes; i wouldn't go as far as to say it has to *always* be fun or it isn't a game, though...
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.25 23:41:00 -
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Did he actually know what kind of game he was reviewing? EVE was never designed to be "a fast-paced interstellar-shooter
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He will have done, yes.
Arcadian is a fairly well known MOG-blogger and pundit of MOGs. He's pretty clued-up on MOGs, though I've never seen him write for a magazine before.
The transfer from being able to write endless pages on a blog and 500 words for a magazine review is fairly traumatic - his original piece may not have read anything like the end piece. (Or might have been worse)
You can neither review a MOG in 500 words not in one month.
He should have realised that and turned the fifty bucks down - then again, no slugs anyore so....
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.07.26 03:36:00 -
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Eve needs to offer a bit more stuff to do, and some more action. It can be a pretty boring game at times. A lot of people I know have gotten bored of Eve because they feel the game is nothing but a mining simulator. It's kind of hard to find the real game in Eve, it's just lacking in a lot of ways right now.
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Blood Silver
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Posted - 2003.07.26 03:42:00 -
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hmm
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Did he actually know what kind of game he was reviewing? EVE was never designed to be "a fast-paced interstellar-shooter
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nono
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Posted - 2003.07.26 04:09:00 -
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LOL!
It seems if the truth hit you in the face you still wouldn't acknowledge it. That's review number TWO to hit it spot on.
Quote "If by some heroic measure of tolerance you are able to move passed that, you'll discover that the game is not ready for prime time. Bug fixes are bolted on to it, only to removed when the remedy turns out to be worse than the disease,"
Where did he get this from while testing the game? Going to deny this too?
Your an ADDICT, you can't see the light because your already blind. Unfortunately so am I. But I'm not going to deny the truth when I see it. I keep hanging on for god knows why. Maybe this time coming down won't be so bad.......just one more fix and I'll quit honest.
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.26 08:28:00 -
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journalist, and particulare for computermagazines, and even more so reviers for those magazines are uneducated people, getting bribes from big computer corporations. I much more trust these forums, my friends and my own opinion.
Which all are in quite agrement that this game is the best MMORPG made:
its had one of the best launches a MMORPG has had
its more complex then any other MMORPG
its much more clever then any other MMORPG
it offers much more of a challenge then any other MMORPG.
Now, really, the bugs are but non existing, in comparison to other MMORPG:s this soon after launch, though I agree that CCP should in a rather fast pace implementing new stuff...Then again, they are doing just that, at a much higher pace then any other MMORPG
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.26 08:51:00 -
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journalist, and particulare for computermagazines, and even more so reviers for those magazines are uneducated people, getting bribes from big computer corporations.
Err...ya. Just to flip the script a bit, if I said that CCP was exploiting solidarity to get it's good reviews, I'd get flamed.
How about you just accept that what you think, what I think and what someone else thinks can all be 3 totally different thoughts?
As for game reviewers being uneducated, I'll make sure I tell a friend of mine that. As a published author, she'd get a kick out of that
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Sukura
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Posted - 2003.07.26 08:51:00 -
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They got the game review spot on - a totally boring game with nothing to do apart from mine, trade and loot - after one day - you could have done it all. Then you do it in a bigger ship - but, hey, everyone else has a bigger ship too - so it is still all relative - then you mine, trade and loot again and again and again.
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Grimmacker
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Posted - 2003.07.26 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Grimmacker on 26/07/2003 11:29:24
Even though I am loyal to eve, I believe he did come close. It doesnt take a whole lot of time to review this game because it can all be done so fast execept for the pvp interaction which takes time to build up.
I do love the game but I also dont think it was ready for prime time either. I read an earlier post about the invesors wanting their money back and would have to go along with that fact and an early release.
I have one question though, what happened to all this beta testing that was supposed to be happening. These things come right out and slap you in the face, were they missed , overlooked or just didnt have the time to fix them. Something just doesnt add up.
Well like I said I see this game having great potential and Im addicted to it already. Just needs more work to be that shining example of a great game.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.26 12:57:00 -
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journalist, and particulare for computermagazines, and even more so reviers for those magazines are uneducated people
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You really are a complete and total buffoon.
Having been one of those uneducated computer magazine game reviewers:
14 O levels
3 AO level
4 A Levels
and a Honours Degree (1st class)
(we wont go into international scholarships and published scientific papers, but i have those also)
so, Mr Educated, how do you measure up?
morsus mihi
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.07.26 13:18:00 -
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Heh, well, if you want to count positive reviews vs negative reviews, the positive side does win. I think most reviews gives eve about 80-90%.
Of course, EVE does have some problems. Both bugs and content that isn't implemented yet. The choice you have to make is if it's worth waiting for, or not. And even though there are lots of complaints on these forums, although mostly from the same small crowd, you seem to have made the choice to stay and wait. We can see that easily because you're still here posting.
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Pappabare
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Posted - 2003.07.26 13:24:00 -
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Mokt, do you ever get the point?
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Tos' Lavoch
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Posted - 2003.07.26 14:02:00 -
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The thing with reviews is at the end of the day it's just someones opinion.
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Princess Akmazara
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Posted - 2003.07.26 20:10:00 -
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The PC Gamer review was even worse 50% score. It said the game was "directionless".
I think this is a fun game.
Princess Akmazara
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Kashre
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Posted - 2003.07.26 20:20:00 -
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Bah. Game reviews are like film critics, meaning you should never ever listen to what they have to say.
The only site I ever get reviews from is Gamespot, and then I only go there because they have that little "user review" box where it tells you how many NORMAL people have played it, and what their average score is. EvE got an average of 7.4 from 154 people. That seems like a fair assesment to me.
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TauTut
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Posted - 2003.07.27 00:37:00 -
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Quote:
"Looks and sounds great, but there is no game here."
*Wonders what he's been doing for the last X months.*
Thing about games these days - they're so specialist that it all comes down to a matter of taste.
Personally - I find the more time I spend on this game, the longer term my plans become. I have newer MMO releases gathering dust on the shelf at the moment.
-TT
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.07.27 00:55:00 -
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Of course, EVE does have some problems. Both bugs and content that isn't implemented yet. The choice you have to make is if it's worth waiting for, or not. And even though there are lots of complaints on these forums, although mostly from the same small crowd, you seem to have made the choice to stay and wait. We can see that easily because you're still here posting.
This is a typical My dog is better than your dog argument.
The only problem is that the particepents and sometimes the spectators watching the "Big dogs rule" vrs "No little dogs are better" groups go at it forget:
How much fun they are having at the dog show!
If there were not passonate people about there point of view, then you would have to worry. It's when people do not care what changes you make that flag when a game is in trouble.
Keep that in mind always. (besides you and I know the other side is wrong  )
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illuminati
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Posted - 2003.08.02 11:12:00 -
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If you add all reviews up and get the average, putting aside the occasional "off-the-center" ones you usually hit the spot.
This game is addictive.
This game is still in beta/balancing/game-mechanics/bugfix.
This game would score like a 70-80% on average
and I for one feel that is correct and that score will go up as the game completes more.
If you want this game to be faster and more amusing, it shouldnt be so hard replacing ships and equipment. I would risk a bit more and have more fun fighting if that was true.
It is too much mining/trading/jumping atm imo, lower the min-reqs for stuff and get the rush of player combat more often and you please a bigger crowd.
And yes, I will keep playing to see what comes later, the word potential was mentioned in nearly all the reviews :)
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.08.02 11:34:00 -
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.."making the servers too frequently unavailable for a game that wants you to pay a monthly access fee"...
Sorry but of all the things, that is simply twuntish twoddle.
It goes down an hour a day scheduled. OK we've had recent extensions to this 1 hour hehe, but games like SWG have servers that just aren't up without any info period. But anyone playing SWG just go "ooh l can't wait for it to let me on" in some kind of fanboi Lucas-phile drool.
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Indira Firebrand
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Posted - 2003.08.02 12:04:00 -
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The reviewer seems to totally bypass the fact that you can blow up that little pr**k that stole your ore or blew you up days or weeks ago!
It can be alot of fun searching for and smoking that thief or griefer, even if it takes days.
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Anikst Xoloco
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Posted - 2003.08.02 12:35:00 -
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"For example, after mining minerals from asteroids, you must dock at a station, open your ship window, open your station window, and then click and drag from one to the other before you can process it"
Someone should teach him the "minimize window" function...
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Porno
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Posted - 2003.08.02 13:00:00 -
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There is always a certain amount of cognitive dissonance about MMORPGs - the sheer investment in time and effort makes you less likely to see things objectively.
Having said that, I am of the view that MMORPGs should be reviewed in an entirely different light to other "quick fix" games. It would be interesting to know how long this particular reviewer actually spend playing the game before giving his review. You need 2 months at least, when in real terms most game reviews are written after about 2 hours at most.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.08.02 13:40:00 -
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MMO's attract certain people, the type/theme of an MMO diversifies that group of people again.
Well now, if Mr. Arcadian can't even stand moving some items around a few floating windows, I can't say I deem him to be suited to play this kind of game in the first place.
And if he can't objectively review a game, they should simply not let him review a game like EVE at all.
If they'd let me review Counterstrike I would probably not rate it very high either, while it *is* a good game/mod (or so they say ;) )
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Rual Storge
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Posted - 2003.08.02 14:29:00 -
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Well on the note of reviewers who tend to give bad ratings due to lack of instant gratification...
I used to spend time working with Computer Gaming Mag., PC Gamer (only two occasions), and some magazines I still can't find on the market.
Which I wrote hardware and software reviews. Often reviewers a press for like 1 week to have a review made :/ by the time the reviewer even skims the game surface his review is already running late this = crappy review.
My word of advice. for MMOs go by player and friend's comments over magazines.
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.08.03 20:20:00 -
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http://www.subspacehq.com/
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.08.03 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 03/08/2003 20:28:45
I used to play Subspace all the time, great little game. Then I left for EVE when the SWR zone went to ****.
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