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Felsusguy Nuevo Atlas Corporation 29	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:14:00 - [1] - Quote Industry. It's not for everyone. And for that reason, only a few realize how broken it really is. It's important to emphasize that industry is important and thus requires a great deal of attention to make sure it works. This attention has not been given, at least not in a proper amount. Some may brush off this message, christening it as the null words of a butthurt industrialist. This is not the case. I fully understand that there are more important mechanics in EVE, but CCP has given its attention to those (or tried to). CCP has not given its attention to industry for a while. Industry affects everything. There is nothing out there left completely untouched by industry. As such, I will not try to list all things affected by industry, because that would be a very long and unnecessary list. There are so many faults in industry and so much room for improvement. We need to end this dark age and stop the stagnation. I call upon everyone, industrialist or not, to realize the importance of improving industry. Just to make my point, I will list just some of the faults found in this system. Planetary Interaction - Risk free ISK for everyone. No effort beyond initial preparation. Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling. Datacore Farming - Risk free ISK for the altmongers. No effort beyond initial preparation. Ice Harvesting - Inexhaustible source of ISK for miners. Little effort, just unload Ice periodically. 50-Job Factory Stations - Minuscule demand for manufacturing slots in high-sec. POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics. Of course, when I say risk free and talk about effort, I mean during the actual harvesting, not transportation. Transportation is never risk free for anything. If you care about EVE, you must care about the industry of New Eden. And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm. Try-Cycle Mining Industry recruiting!
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us 1165	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:18:00 - [2] - Quote Felsusguy wrote: POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics. Felsusguy wrote: Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling. Anyone else seeing the issue with the OP? CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 3837	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote Felsusguy wrote: Datacore Farming - Risk free ISK for the altmongers. No effort beyond initial preparation. Unfortunately, most of this has been moved to the Combat paradigm, bizarrely. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 2914	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:20:00 - [4] - Quote So youre saying we need to shoot more industry people. Got it. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 3837	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:20:00 - [5] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Felsusguy wrote: POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics. Felsusguy wrote: Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling. Anyone else seeing the issue with the OP? I see truth. If there is an issue that YOU see, why so reluctant to enlighten others ? There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Stray Bullets Perkone Caldari State 36	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:29:00 - [6] - Quote Felsusguy wrote: Planetary Interaction - Risk free ISK for everyone. No effort beyond initial preparation. Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling. Datacore Farming - Risk free ISK for the altmongers. No effort beyond initial preparation. Ice Harvesting - Inexhaustible source of ISK for miners. Little effort, just unload Ice periodically. 50-Job Factory Stations - Minuscule demand for manufacturing slots in high-sec. POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics. Regarding the issues on your list. PI - The balance in risk vs reward is mostly correct regarding sec status of the systems. Effort to upkeep said facilities will come (hopefuly) with the ramp up in integration with DUST. Don't forget that PI is half the feature. Dust is the other half. Moon Mining - I'd rather see it moved to some other sort of mining, like the sugested ring mining, but it is by definition the most risky kind of mining there is. Try and grab a tech moon and let me know how "not risky" it is! ;) If you have one, let me know if it's easy to keep! Datacore Farming - Like someone said before me, it's not so much of an issue as it was moved to a combat paradigm. Not that much profit in it. (read "there's bigger things to fix") Ice Harvesting - Agreed. Even though ice mining brings a crap income on any sec status, the belts should be limited in amounts. It would still be a massive amount, but you wouldn't systems like Halaima with 150 ice miners on grid on prime time. 50-Job Factory Stations - Agreed. NPC manufacturing should basically be nerfed, in iterations, to the worst place to do manufacturing or any kind of indy. Should be a last resourt or be there for personal needs. POS System - That horse is dead. No point in beating it any further. CCP know what they have to do or at least they know what's our expectation for POSs.
Beckie DeLey Living From Scraps 373	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:30:00 - [7] - Quote Felsusguy wrote: And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm. Who? Thanks, but there's already a Goonswarm member with an industrial and marketeering agenda running. That guys going to ~10058~ the whole election anyways and is going to make all the relevant points already. No need for someone else on that front. So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve It has a manufacturing guide that is updated almost once every two months! Check it out!
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 3838	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:40:00 - [8] - Quote Stray Bullets wrote: Ice Harvesting - Agreed. Even though ice mining brings a crap income on any sec status, the belts should be limited in amounts. It would still be a massive amount, but you wouldn't systems like Halaima with 150 ice mining ISBoxers on grid on prime time. Just fixing for clarification. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Felsusguy Nuevo Atlas Corporation 30	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:42:00 - [9] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Felsusguy wrote: POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics. Felsusguy wrote: Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling. Anyone else seeing the issue with the OP? The frustrating mechanics are mostly ones related to preparation. And there are too many problems for me to be able to list all of them, because ain't nobody got time for that. Also note that many other frustrating mechanics, such as the refining mechanics, don't involve moon mining. Try-Cycle Mining Industry recruiting!
Rebecha Pucontis Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 75	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:38:00 - [10] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: So youre saying we need to shoot more industry people. Got it. I like your analysis of his post here. :)
Rebecha Pucontis Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 75	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:44:00 - [11] - Quote Felsusguy wrote: Planetary Interaction - Risk free ISK for everyone. No effort beyond initial preparation. Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling. Datacore Farming - Risk free ISK for the altmongers. No effort beyond initial preparation. Ice Harvesting - Inexhaustible source of ISK for miners. Little effort, just unload Ice periodically. 50-Job Factory Stations - Minuscule demand for manufacturing slots in high-sec. POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics. [/list] I have to disagree with you on nearly all these aspects. In fact, all of it. :) Most of it either requires a lot of thought and setting up, and is all subject to the eb and flow of the market forces. Also moon mining nearly risk free? What about defending the POS and transporting all the minerals from null sec to high sec? That's hardly risk free, along with all the other stuff which is either not risk free, or yields such pitiful amounts of isk. Also your last point makes you sound like a butt hurt womhole guy to me.
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 1324	Posted - 2013.03.27 00:05:00 - [12] - Quote On the broad point, yes. Industry requires more development time, although I don't necessarily agree with your list of things needing changing. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Felsusguy Nuevo Atlas Corporation 32	Posted - 2013.03.27 02:44:00 - [13] - Quote Rebecha Pucontis wrote: Felsusguy wrote: Planetary Interaction - Risk free ISK for everyone. No effort beyond initial preparation. Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling. Datacore Farming - Risk free ISK for the altmongers. No effort beyond initial preparation. Ice Harvesting - Inexhaustible source of ISK for miners. Little effort, just unload Ice periodically. 50-Job Factory Stations - Minuscule demand for manufacturing slots in high-sec. POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics. [/list] I have to disagree with you on nearly all these aspects. In fact, all of it. :) Most of it either requires a lot of thought and setting up, and is all subject to the eb and flow of the market forces. Also moon mining nearly risk free? What about defending the POS and transporting all the minerals from null sec to high sec? That's hardly risk free, along with all the other stuff which is either not risk free, or yields such pitiful amounts of isk. Also your last point makes you sound like a butt hurt womhole guy to me. Interesting. You pick and choose which parts you read. Like I said, nearly risk free for big power blocs, and I already mentioned that transportation wasn't included in the risk factoring. Further more, I am not a wormhole guy in particular, I just realize that any attempt to create a real industrial operation in wormhole space outside of looting exploration sites and sending it back is frustratingly difficult to bring into fruition. No moon materials, no ice, reliance of POSes for refining and manufacturing (which doesn't work all that well due to the bad POS system). I'm just giving my honest opinion that POSes really don't lend themselves to bettering wormhole industry. Try-Cycle Mining Industry recruiting!
Arronicus vintas industries Mistakes Were Made. 428	Posted - 2013.03.27 04:02:00 - [14] - Quote I agree with the general idea, that industry is flawed, and that it needs a serious overhaul, but I disagree with many of your statements, including the lack of risk involved in moon mining, PI, and the solutions, or lackthereof, that you propose to fix this issue. There have been some really good threads around this, and I'd suggest instead of making ANOTHER lacklustre thread, why not add your opinion (and bump) the already good ones that are out there that may have just fallen back a page or two? Search is a wonderful thing.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1224	Posted - 2013.03.27 04:04:00 - [15] - Quote Just keep in mind that when you pew-pew fanatics go cranking up the threat level to mining & industry the side effect is going to be less stuff for you to go pew-pew with and it's going to cost a lot more. If you bite the hand that feeds you then hunger is not far behind. Live Events are neither.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 541	Posted - 2013.03.27 05:00:00 - [16] - Quote Felsusguy wrote: Planetary Interaction - Risk free ISK for everyone. No effort beyond initial preparation. Moon Mining - Nearly risk free ISK for the big power blocs. Little effort beyond initial preparation and fueling. Datacore Farming - Risk free ISK for the altmongers. No effort beyond initial preparation. Ice Harvesting - Inexhaustible source of ISK for miners. Little effort, just unload Ice periodically. 50-Job Factory Stations - Minuscule demand for manufacturing slots in high-sec. POS System - Too many problems to list. Pitiful wormhole industry and frustrating mechanics. PI: high sec planets have suck production and high taxes. An entire month of messing with high sec PI produces less ISK than a single orca load of ore. Moon Mining: You mean capturing and defending sov in null? Capturing and holding moons in low? Yeah, no effort or risk there.... Datacore Farming: Again a month's worth of data cores are worth less than an orca load of ore. And where are most of the agents? Oh, right... low sec Ice Harvesting: Low pay commensurate with the AFK ability of it. 50-job factory stations. You'd prefer the jobs were run at POSes? Let me see if I can summarize the OP. I'm gong to spew from my hind end, then tell people who to vote for for CSM. Let me guess, you don't actually want the advertised candidate to win, do you.
Bi-Mi Lansatha Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association 11	Posted - 2013.03.27 07:16:00 - [17] - Quote Felsusguy wrote: Unforgiven Storm - "...Nullsec Industry needs to be revamped, it needs to become better than High Sec..." From your link. My question: why?
Pepper Mind Spicy Enterprises 18	Posted - 2013.03.27 08:05:00 - [18] - Quote I don't even know, how to vote the CSM
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3982	Posted - 2013.03.27 09:16:00 - [19] - Quote Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: Felsusguy wrote: Unforgiven Storm - "...Nullsec Industry needs to be revamped, it needs to become better than High Sec..." From your link. My question: why? Because this is just another "nerf everywhere else than where I play" thread, in disguise. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Degren Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2364	Posted - 2013.03.27 09:25:00 - [20] - Quote Planetary Interaction should be like Sim Earth, so I don't have to keep alt tabbing to play Sim City. Hello, hello again.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3982	Posted - 2013.03.27 09:36:00 - [21] - Quote Degren wrote: Planetary Interaction should be like Sim Earth, so I don't have to keep alt tabbing to play Sim City. Edit: Admit it, you got a little erect at the thought of it. Edit: Then quickly softened back up when you realized how much effort would be involved in your ~pos fuels~ No, it quickly softened back up when you realized that while Tyrannis was an underwhelming expansion, you could easily end up in something like Sim City's DRM debacle. Playing Sim City or other EA games is getting like a continuous kick in the balls. Right now I can open almost any random window in this game I already fully paid for and I find a "if you spend MORE then we unlock this basic feature every game ever had as basic foundation since 1980". Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Arronicus vintas industries Mistakes Were Made. 433	Posted - 2013.03.27 09:47:00 - [22] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Degren wrote: Planetary Interaction should be like Sim Earth, so I don't have to keep alt tabbing to play Sim City. Edit: Admit it, you got a little erect at the thought of it. Edit: Then quickly softened back up when you realized how much effort would be involved in your ~pos fuels~ No, it quickly softened back up when you realized that while Tyrannis was an underwhelming expansion, you could easily end up in something like Sim City's DRM debacle. Playing Sim City or other EA games is getting like a continuous kick in the balls. Right now I can open almost any random window in this game I already fully paid for and I find a "if you spend MORE then we unlock this basic feature every game ever had as basic foundation since 1980". That's because EA has introduced a new genre of games. Pay to free to play, or should I say, free to pay to play. Oh ho, see what I did there? Not only do you get to pay fully to play the game, but then they get to jew you with microtransactions too. Just so you don't feel like you're missing out. They even throw in crappy login servers, poor hosting, and lots of bugs to give things that true 'F2P feel'
Bi-Mi Lansatha Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association 11	Posted - 2013.03.27 10:34:00 - [23] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Because this is just another "nerf everywhere else than where I play" thread, in disguise. I am shocked... I didn't see the 'disguise'.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3982	Posted - 2013.03.27 10:36:00 - [24] - Quote Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Because this is just another "nerf everywhere else than where I play" thread, in disguise. I am shocked... I didn't see the 'disguise'. Well the disguise is the proposal of a guy for CSM while "injecting" not so subliminal "nerf this" messages. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3982	Posted - 2013.03.27 10:51:00 - [25] - Quote Arronicus wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Degren wrote: Planetary Interaction should be like Sim Earth, so I don't have to keep alt tabbing to play Sim City. Edit: Admit it, you got a little erect at the thought of it. Edit: Then quickly softened back up when you realized how much effort would be involved in your ~pos fuels~ No, it quickly softened back up when you realized that while Tyrannis was an underwhelming expansion, you could easily end up in something like Sim City's DRM debacle. Playing Sim City or other EA games is getting like a continuous kick in the balls. Right now I can open almost any random window in this game I already fully paid for and I find a "if you spend MORE then we unlock this basic feature every game ever had as basic foundation since 1980". That's because EA has introduced a new genre of games. Pay to free to play, or should I say, free to pay to play. Oh ho, see what I did there? Not only do you get to pay fully to play the game, but then they get to jew you with microtransactions too. Just so you don't feel like you're missing out. They even throw in crappy login servers, poor hosting, and lots of bugs to give things that true 'F2P feel' Hopefully they will default and end in a pile of manure. Subbed one MMO of them (they always charge AAA title fees for everything of course) and the abysmal support, lack of expansions, rampant unfixed exploits etc. totally ruined it. Started SWTor to see how it looks like and while it's nothing new or revolutionary, it's a nice pass time. Could even have shelled for a sub, after all I do have a dozen of subs spread across serveral MMOs I seldom play and would not care to add another. But no, they have: - hostile attitude. "You MUST be an hacker or an hacker-in-the-make so we impose all sorts of DRM on you and WILL inconvenience you in all the possible ways (see Sim City) till you'll REALLY give up, crack the game and really become an hacker, as we thought you were since the beginning". Anyone see the circular idiocy in this EA reasonment? - overly greedy. "2011 EvE: Greed is good?" Come on, CCP Hilmar is an hobbyst compared to EA. You can't literally play the game, you can't open a single window without a corner reminding that you - full Deluxe box + pre order + AAA title subber - are still a poor piece of crap, you should buy more and MORE just to unlock the most basic features. GW2 (yes I played most MMOs), a sub-less game entirely based on micro transactions asks for 1/10 of the money SWTOR asks whilst still requiring a sub (else you almost can't play, you can't even hold enough money to buy most level 50 useful items). GW2 won't gouge you for something as stupid as being able to post stuff on the auction house or just to be able to wear decent gear. GW2 won't forbid you to train 3 craft schools before you shell out additional money (still required for SWTOR even if you paid and became "preferred player". EA are just terrible, a pall in the gaming industry (heavy handed approach to their studios), a pall in the business practices, a pall in the producer-consumer relations. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Mhax Arthie Pagan INC 9th Company 47	Posted - 2013.03.27 11:16:00 - [26] - Quote Beckie DeLey wrote: Felsusguy wrote: And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm. Who? Thanks, but there's already a Goonswarm member with an industrial and marketeering agenda running. That guys going to ~10058~ the whole election anyways and is going to make all the relevant points already. No need for someone else on that front. And whos the other guy? I saw only Unforgiven Storm involved in the indy front and he has a pretty serious and good agenda, the rest are just with the usual yadda yadda. And I agree, EA (along Ubi) is the worst gaming company in the history. Never ever buy anything marked with their logo, they are the goons of the game industry :D
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 72	Posted - 2013.03.27 11:26:00 - [27] - Quote Arronicus wrote: That's because EA has introduced a new genre of games. Pay to free to play, or should I say, free to pay to play. Oh ho, see what I did there? Not only do you get to pay fully to play the game, but then they get to jew you with microtransactions too. Just so you don't feel like you're missing out. They even throw in crappy login servers, poor hosting, and lots of bugs to give things that true 'F2P feel' It's for Your own protection, so You don't spend to much time in front of Your PC, go out in a while, playing in the sun, jogging, picnic with Your girl. See how much EA cares about You? There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3982	Posted - 2013.03.27 11:28:00 - [28] - Quote Mhax Arthie wrote: Beckie DeLey wrote: [quote=Felsusguy] And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm. And I agree, EA (along Ubi) is the worst gaming company in the history. Never ever buy anything marked with their logo, they are the goons of the game industry :D Goons are not stupid like EA / Ubi are. They have their plans and are able to make them happen and tend to look more than one inch ahead of their wallet. Said by someone who can be accused off everything except being a Goon fan. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Velicitia Arma Artificer 1303	Posted - 2013.03.27 12:28:00 - [29] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Mhax Arthie wrote: Beckie DeLey wrote: [quote=Felsusguy] And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm. And I agree, EA (along Ubi) is the worst gaming company in the history. Never ever buy anything marked with their logo, they are the goons of the game industry :D Goons are not stupid like EA / Ubi are. They have their plans and are able to make them happen and tend to look more than one inch ahead of their wallet. Said by someone who can be accused off everything except being a Goon fan. This is eve, we can accuse you of anything On topic -- yes, the points raised by the OP show things that can be (are) considered to be broken. However, the reasons why point more to "I want it better for me" than "I want it better overall" One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8
Mhax Arthie Pagan INC 9th Company 47	Posted - 2013.03.27 12:41:00 - [30] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Mhax Arthie wrote: Beckie DeLey wrote: [quote=Felsusguy] And if you care for the industry of New Eden, vote for Unforgiven Storm. And I agree, EA (along Ubi) is the worst gaming company in the history. Never ever buy anything marked with their logo, they are the goons of the game industry :D Goons are not stupid like EA / Ubi are. They have their plans and are able to make them happen and tend to look more than one inch ahead of their wallet. Said by someone who can be accused off everything except being a Goon fan. They are not stupid. A stupid cannot scam so many people for years without any consequences. On the other hand, there are many idiots who actually can't stop getting scamed. I have a lot of friends who bought simcity5, even if I warned them that the so called MP/online play is nothing else than a cheap cover for their ****** DRM and a horrible gameplay, there is no multiplayer in that game just a faint illusion. Now they feel bad. Frak... next time you wanna buy a EA product, better donate your money to a childcare foundation, at least your money will get a good use and you will feel good.. or at least you should. Dont feed anymore those fat fuks. Ok, now back on topic. The industry... yeah, it's important.

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