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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.09.03 11:01:00 -
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Two options:
1-Put back plates like they were (they got a 50% boost or something like that a few patches ago didnt it?).
2-(MY FAVOURITE) ADD A FRGGIN 3200mm Plate, strictly for battleships (not even BC can fit it)!!!
DOH! 
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Denrace
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Posted - 2005.09.03 11:15:00 -
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How about...no?
Why does everyone complain about not being able to kill a plated ship?
You can fit plates aswell, and if one saves your ship - you dont come whining then do you.
Also, a big mofo of a plate (3200mm+) for BS is a great idea. That would be fantastic! Like a 5800HP bonus hehe 
Plates are FINE. Fix heavy missiles instead. Oh, and the Cerberus
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.03 12:02:00 -
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however, IMO, plates give armor tankers a huge advantage over shield tankers
either fix extenders, or nerf plates. your choice
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TekRa
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Posted - 2005.09.03 12:02:00 -
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plates are ok, it's fitting oversized plates to frigates/cruisers that is the problem (with no penalty). intys with 400mm plates that are just as good as AFrigs are getting stupid now.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.09.03 12:06:00 -
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Plates should give sig radius boosts and inertia boosts (less agility).
End of story.
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Diana Merris
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Posted - 2005.09.03 13:34:00 -
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Or make the speed penalty a percent and have them add mass like afterburners do if you really fell that oversized plates are a problem.
/shrug
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.09.03 14:15:00 -
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 Originally by: HippoKing
however, IMO, plates give armor tankers a huge advantage over shield tankers
either fix extenders, or nerf plates. your choice
apparantly you have never tried fitting plates, you sacrafice a hell of alot, and If you are smart enough, you know to to beat those as people using plates are resricted to using certain wepons...
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.09.03 15:02:00 -
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I was using 400mm plates before the +50% patch and I'd quite happily use them afterwards too (as would many other users) so that kind of wouldn't work
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.09.03 15:30:00 -
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Both shield extenders and plates are perfect now. Pre patch few people used them. The only change I would like to see are Xlarge extenders and plates.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.03 15:42:00 -
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"Both shield extenders and plates are perfect now. Pre patch few people used them."
And post patch nearly everyone uses plates on anything, and hardly anyone uses shield extenders on ships smaller than battlecruisers. (yes i know you can mount shield extender on a Tristan. one frigate capable of it is more of a proof how badly things are screwed with small shield expanders)
No, they are by no means "perfect" now :/
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.03 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Both shield extenders and plates are perfect now. Pre patch few people used them. The only change I would like to see are Xlarge extenders and plates.
Perfect? Not exactly, their HP values are okay.. but the fitting requirements should be lower for shield extenders. Shield Extenders could use a buff.. we need XL Extender too.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.09.03 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Pottsey
Both shield extenders and plates are perfect now. Pre patch few people used them. The only change I would like to see are Xlarge extenders and plates.
Perfect? Not exactly, their HP values are okay.. but the fitting requirements should be lower for shield extenders. Shield Extenders could use a buff.. we need XL Extender too.
well, I used to fly always plated inties, expecially usefull for EW and tackling
even some nasty FoF cruise missles couldnt insta gank you
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.03 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: HippoKing on 03/09/2005 16:22:53
Originally by: Kaeten
Originally by: HippoKing
however, IMO, plates give armor tankers a huge advantage over shield tankers
either fix extenders, or nerf plates. your choice
apparantly you have never tried fitting plates, you sacrafice a hell of alot, and If you are smart enough, you know to to beat those as people using plates are resricted to using certain wepons...
apparantly you have never tried fitting extenders
the sacrifice for plates is a lot smaller than the sacrifice for fitting extenders: an oversized extender eats 2/3 of your CPU - and fitting smaller guns doesn't save anywhere near as much CPU as it saves PG. an oversized extender gimps a setup TOTALLY with a smaller boost to HP
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2005.09.03 16:37:00 -
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Ok, i am going to need someone to help me out here. I am confused as to why I've noticed a lot of forums and players complain that BS don't have a large plate. I do agree that it's not large enough, but right now the system is complete. Frigs have 50/100, cruisers have 200/400, and BS have 800/1600. Just wondering why lots of people think BS should have 3 sized plates for it. Yes i also know that an 800 on a BS is not such a good idea. I think plates should go the way of cruise missiles when it comes to frigs, if it's meant for something bigger, you just can't do it. CCP could just say that the smaller ships don't have enough material for the oversized plates to hold on to or something to the effect.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.09.03 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: KrakizBad
Ok, i am going to need someone to help me out here. I am confused as to why I've noticed a lot of forums and players complain that BS don't have a large plate. I do agree that it's not large enough, but right now the system is complete. Frigs have 50/100, cruisers have 200/400, and BS have 800/1600. Just wondering why lots of people think BS should have 3 sized plates for it. Yes i also know that an 800 on a BS is not such a good idea. I think plates should go the way of cruise missiles when it comes to frigs, if it's meant for something bigger, you just can't do it. CCP could just say that the smaller ships don't have enough material for the oversized plates to hold on to or something to the effect.
Frig: 50mm/100mm/200mm and only 200mm is useful generally
Cruiser: 400mm/800mm and only 800mm is useful generally
Bs: 1600mm and more than one plate is a waste generally
You challenge that ? 800mm plate is a BS mod ? For 230 pg (t2 version) ? Then, why are you able to fit one on most cruisers with at most 1 power upgrade and still use medium sized weapons ? You are not confused at all 
1400hp armor interceptors and 5500hp armor cruisers are maybe not penalized enough for fitting an oversized plate. But any penalty harsher than twice the current speed penalty only for oversized plates (400mm on frigs and 1600mm on cruisers) will not have any effect, as two smaller plates will be used instead of power upgrade + oversized plate.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.09.03 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 03/09/2005 17:42:56
ôapparantly you have never tried fitting extenders
the sacrifice for plates is a lot smaller than the sacrifice for fitting extenders: an oversized extender eats 2/3 of your CPU - and fitting smaller guns doesn't save anywhere near as much CPU as it saves PG. an oversized extender gimps a setup TOTALLY with a smaller boost to HPö
As I said many times before itÆs all down to the ship you fly. Using my ship 1 shield extender takes up 23% of the ships CPU and 18% of the PG leaving enough for weapons. While the same size plate takes up 48% of the PG making weapons and other modules hard to fit.
I would rather take 23% CPU used up for 1 extender over 48% PG for 1 plate. Sometimes plates are easier to fit sometimes extenders.
ôan oversized extender eats 2/3 of your CPU ûô
At least you have free CPU on some ships an oversized plate takes up as much as 140% of the PG. ThatÆs 40% more PG then I have.
ô(yes i know you can mount shield extender on a Tristan. one frigate capable of it is more of a proof how badly things are screwed with small shield expanders)ö
It wasnÆt 1 frigate I showed 1, T1 frigate and 2, T2 frigates that all worked better with extenders then plates. I really donÆt see any problems. I got extender to work on everything from Assault ships to Covert op ships.
You need to look at the ships job sometimes plates are better sometimes extenders. But both are fine and donÆt need changing. Perhaps small tweaks but I dont think the problem is as bad as most people say, not when the extender Assault ships can stand up to the plate Assault ships and the Covert Op extender ship beats the Covert Op plate ship. Then there are all the other setups that just dont work with plates.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Both shield extenders and plates are perfect now. Pre patch few people used them. The only change I would like to see are Xlarge extenders and plates.
Not in the slightest.
Fitting requirements are overboard for extenders and plates give a much better HP boost that the passive regeneration doesn't compensate at all, even with you trying to compute the regeneration from both basic shields + extenders instead of that of the extender alone (even armortankers get the basic shield regen in the first place).
I'm not even getting in how convenient it is to fit a plate and still have the free medslots for web/scrambler/disruptor/whatever while shield tanking is hard pressed putting the medslots to good use, reason why I armor tank some Caldari ships.
Extenders still have their use as 'buffer' on larger ships, like the Cerberus (with assault launchers) or the Ferox which has a very good base shield recharge rate, but they are certainly not balanced compared to plates.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 04/09/2005 08:33:27
ôNot in the slightest.
Fitting requirements are overboard for extenders and plates give a much better HP boost that the passive regeneration doesn't compensate at all, even with you trying to compute the regeneration from both basic shields + extenders instead of that of the extender alone ô
How many times do I have to prove you wrong here passive regen more then makes up for the HP diffrance? I showed you assault ship with full weapon systems that have more shield hitpoints and more HP regen then a plate assault ship. I showed you Covert op ships with more shield hitpoints and more HP regen then a plate Covert op and both ships could do there jobs perfectly.
Using my ship 1 shield extender takes up 23% of the ships CPU and 18% of the PG leaving enough for weapons. While the same size plate takes up 48% of the PG making weapons and other modules hard to fit.
As for fitting requirements being overboard for extenders then tell me how 23% CPU for an extender is overboard but taking up 48% PG is considered ok for plates? There are also skills to lower the requirements for extender but none for plates. I also dont have problems fitting extenders and all my ships modules. So requirements are ok.
ô(even armortankers get the basic shield regen in the first place).öö
Your comparing 10HP regen on an armor tank to 100hp+ regen on a shield tank.
Then there are real battles take a Dominix V Raven, no gank setup the plate ship has to kill the target in 3 or 4 minuets or its dead. The passive shield tank can stay there 24/7 all week 1v1 and the shields never drop.
Every single battle I have ever done has the passive shield tank lasting longer then the plate ship. In fight club my passive tank lasted about 5 times longer then the plate ships against a T2 gank ship with large T2 weapons. There are times when plates are better like fleet battles but I dont do that.
Surly if the passive shield regen lets you tank ships none stop while the plate ships can only last 3 minuets then the passive regen is not useless. You keep saying passive regen doesnÆt compensate for less hitpoints, it about time you proved it. Explain how 90 to 120+ HP regen is useless. The average regen gives over 18k shields back in the average length battle. So Explain how 18k+ shields back dureing the battle is not usefull. That 18k+ more then makes up for the hitpoints difference between plates and shields.
I'm not even getting in how convenient it is to fit a plate and still have the free medslots for web/scrambler/disruptor/whatever while shield tanking is hard pressed putting the medslots to good use, reason why I armor tank some Caldari ships.
You missing the cap regen problems plate ships have. Once you fit plates and a few midslot cap recharge modules to run your stuff and weapons you donÆt have slots free to run the modules you want. Then you have to fit PG boosts in more slots as you plates are taking up lots of PG. While the shield tank module that boost hitpoints also boost cap regen and PG so you get 3 for 1 in 1 module. No cap recharge and no PG modules needed in extra slots means youÆre free to fit other stuff.
Passive shield tanks can use high cap draining setups like Cap neutralizeÆs while plate ships donÆt have enough cap regen to run large weapons none stop. In the same way its hard to run EW setups with a passive shield tank its hard to run damage mods and Cap neutralizeÆs on a passive plate tank.
Then there is resistance the passive shield tank can add 30% to all resistance modules while the plate ship is stuck at 20% to all resistance giving the shield tank more resistance.
Both plates and extenders have a different set of advantages and disadvantage and thatÆs how it should be. I donÆt want any more balancing to make them similar.
Considering the amount of ships and ship setups that work well with extender ships I donÆt think the is a problem.
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.09.04 08:38:00 -
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Plates were increased in an attempt to increase the Time of engagments.
All the increase has done is made them better for everyone. I fitted 400mm Plates to ceptors Before And After Patch, Guess what, so did every one else. All its done is drawn out engagements a bit longer which was the over goal.
Theres nothing wrong with them in my opinion.
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xOm3gAx
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Posted - 2005.09.04 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: TekRa
plates are ok, it's fitting oversized plates to frigates/cruisers that is the problem (with no penalty). intys with 400mm plates that are just as good as AFrigs are getting stupid now.
i actually agree with this and yes i do fly an inty and an af... puttin the plate on kinda kills the reason i got the af in the first place. Plates should only be nerfed slightly in the way that a 400mm wont fit on a frig. 200mm's are ok though. and yes shield extenders need love... lots of love... like 2x what they give now =) though id settle for 1.5x
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Posted - 2005.09.04 10:50:00 -
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Enough with tthe nerfing. Plates are good. Shields need a bost. CCP has wanted cruisers tobe better and with 1600mm plate they are. Shields just need to be better too. I do likr the idea of 3200mm plate tho
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.09.04 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 04/09/2005 11:35:31
I dont use plates and iv never been killed by one fyi.
I did however, use a Duramaller when i was young in this game, at that time, very few ppl knew the plate maller trick, i was one of the first to use it. It brings me good memories, thats why i dont want them nerfed, thats why i suggest 3200, just like cruisers can get a lot of HP with 1600 and frigs with 400, battleships could get over 10k with one 3200mm plate. I dont call that nerf, i call that balance!
As for giving some love to shield extenders, im all for it! One of the reasons caldari cruisers (and tech II) suck is because their defense (shields) arent good enough to make up for the lack of damage they do (They have no dmg bonus to rails and missiles totaly suck against undersized targets).
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Orius Nix
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Posted - 2005.09.04 11:50:00 -
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Plates need to be fixed like they did ab's and mwd's, you can't fit oversized. a 1600mm in a cruiser is a bit extreme.
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VILA Restal
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Posted - 2005.09.04 12:03:00 -
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1600mm plates being available for cruisers make cruisers more likely to be seen in small and large fleet engagements.
We'll be back to battleships and frigates only again if they are not allowed.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.09.04 12:13:00 -
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Plates are fine as far as u can fit them. And deimos can't. So they are not fine.
Noob(9mil sp) in munin with 1600mm nano plate and t1 guns and 2x WCS pwn deimos(~20mil sp) :) Really nice, no comment.
Oh and it was not me in deimos, but a fix pilot.
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.09.04 13:00:00 -
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Oh yaa i can see a noob in this topic LUKEC... you know, even a Taranis can beat a Armageddon in the right situation you know?
friggin *******s
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Posted - 2005.09.04 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ô(even armortankers get the basic shield regen in the first place).öö
Your comparing 10HP regen on an armor tank to 100hp+ regen on a shield tank.
Then there are real battles take a Dominix V Raven, no gank setup the plate ship has to kill the target in 3 or 4 minuets or its dead. The passive shield tank can stay there 24/7 all week 1v1 and the shields never drop.
Every single battle I have ever done has the passive shield tank lasting longer then the plate ship. In fight club my passive tank lasted about 5 times longer then the plate ships against a T2 gank ship with large T2 weapons. There are times when plates are better like fleet battles but I dont do that.
Surly if the passive shield regen lets you tank ships none stop while the plate ships can only last 3 minuets then the passive regen is not useless. You keep saying passive regen doesnÆt compensate for less hitpoints, it about time you proved it. Explain how 90 to 120+ HP regen is useless. The average regen gives over 18k shields back in the average length battle. So Explain how 18k+ shields back dureing the battle is not usefull. That 18k+ more then makes up for the hitpoints difference between plates and shields.
I really, really, want to know your Raven setup Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.09.04 15:01:00 -
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"I really, really, want to know your Raven setup Pottsey"
I donÆt fly a Raven I fly a Domi I meant an extender Domi V a normal active tank Raven and a plate Domi against a normal active tank Raven. The extender domi can sit there tanking all day while the plate domi would die over time without damage mods. ThatÆs why I donÆt think the passive regen is useless.
If I was in a Raven I might do something like this high slots, 6 cruise launchers, mid 4 large t2 extenders, 1 EM hardnre, 1 shield recharger.
Low Shield Relays. I would also look at a Invulnerability field setup with PDS modules over relays.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.04 15:09:00 -
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"It wasnÆt 1 frigate I showed 1, T1 frigate and 2, T2 frigates that all worked better with extenders then plates. I really donÆt see any problems."
That's what i meant: that you got a semi-useful shield extender setup on one _tech.1_ frigate out of how many of them is out there..?
You have to admit the situation where tech.1 module intended for tech.1 frigates (small shield extender) appears completely useless on all these frigates, and when tech.1 module intended for small cruisers can be used on _one_ tech.1 frigate, while armour plate intended for the same small cruisers is useful for way many more of these tech.1 frigates... that's a joke. As is saying one doesn't really see any problems with that situation. :/
Next thing i know we're all gonna pretend 50mm & 100mm armour plates are useful, too... >>;;
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Posted - 2005.09.04 16:09:00 -
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Plates add HP to a ship and therefore add to its mass. This should be shown in an impact to inertia/agility.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 16:31:00 -
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Posted - 2005.09.04 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Pottsey
Both shield extenders and plates are perfect now. Pre patch few people used them. The only change I would like to see are Xlarge extenders and plates.
Perfect? Not exactly, their HP values are okay.. but the fitting requirements should be lower for shield extenders. Shield Extenders could use a buff.. we need XL Extender too.
Agreed (yes, I'm agreeing with Jim :P)
Plates are fine as they are, shield extenders need bringing up to their level.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.09.04 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dred 'Morte
Oh yaa i can see a noob in this topic LUKEC... you know, even a Taranis can beat a Armageddon in the right situation you know?
friggin *******s
Not really. Point is: some ships fit plates easily, some cant. Feck, they cannot even think of biggest guns. And if u tell me how can *****munin with 2x wcs and 180mm ACs t1 beat t2/faction deimos... GL.
Plates will be fine when all ships will have viable setups with them.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.09.04 17:06:00 -
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can we please stop talking about shield extenders
its just pottsey will never understand us, and we will never understand her
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Posted - 2005.09.04 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 04/09/2005 19:25:59
ôwhen tech.1 module intended for small cruisers can be used on _one_ tech.1 frigate, while armour plate intended for the same small cruisers is useful for way many more of these tech.1 frigates...ö
ThatÆs the bit I donÆt agree with. Sure I only have one T1 frigate that can fit an oversized extender but I also only have one T1 frigate then can fit an oversized amour plate and still fit other things.
ôcan we please stop talking about shield extenders[
its just pottsey will never understand us, and we will never understand herö
I do understand I just donÆt agree. Take this line thatÆs often used ôextenders and plates give a much better HP boost that the passive regeneration doesn't compensate at allö
But when you compare plates to extenders the hitpoints are the same pretty much.
A 400mm plate is 842hitpoints and a medium shield extender is 840 hitpoints. I hardly call 2 hitpoints a much better HP boost and for sure the passive regen more then makes up for the 2 hitpoints.
Small extenders are 210hitpoints and 100mm plates is 210hitpoints but then again a small extender is only 4.5 PG compared to 6 PG on the plate. The extender has more CPU requirements but thatÆs dues to the passive regen boost.
The problem is must people dont understand the plates donÆt perfectly match up to extenders. You have the small extender to 100mm plates. There are no 200mm or 800mm version of extenders. Medium extenders match 400mm plates and large extender match 1600mm plates.
As for fitting requirements a large extender is 330 PG while a 1600mm plate is 575PG and you can lower the PG for the extender another 5%.
Pretty balanced if you ask me as it makes sense extender take up more CPU and less PG over plates.
I just donÆt think itÆs fair to say an oversized extender gimps a setup TOTALLY. Not when a 1600mm plate take up 57% more Powergrid over a large extender T2. If anything plates gimp you setup just as much as extenders.
Extenders do have a worse CPU requirement then plates but thatÆs not that bad considering the passive regen bonus you get. Which you should use, comes down to which you have more off on your ship. Not all ships have lots of PG and little CPU some ships and ship setups have lots of CPU and little PG.
I donÆt think we should see 200m and 800m version of extender as balancing modules does not mean everything has to be similar. Though it would be nice to see Xlarge plates and extenders.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.09.04 19:30:00 -
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Thing is:
I never fit extenders on my cruisers, but I fit plates
why?
cause I have 5/6 lowslots and only 3/4 midslots which needs modules
same for inties with mostly 2/3 vs 3/4 where all the good stuff has to get into midslots
and fine if you like extenders, but I and lots of others dont like them at all
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Posted - 2005.09.04 19:38:00 -
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"ThatÆs the bit I donÆt agree with. Sure I only have one T1 frigate that can fit an oversized extender but I also only have one T1 frigate then can fit an oversized amour plate and still fit other things."
Mhm not sure about this bit really; it'd seem that as long as the frigate has two or more low slots and at least 30 mw of grid (preferably 35) it might be possible to use the 400 mm plate on it to effect that at least can make you consider it... and the option becomes even more appealing when you start considering 200mm plates, whereas the small shield extenders appear about as popular as the 50mm & 100mm plates... i.e. not really popular at all.
(in similar way, am not sure if there's much use for medium shield extenders on the cruisers, while quite a few cruisers seem to enjoy 800mm plates, let alone the 1600mm version. It can have something to do with the fact the shield requires quite a few mid slots to be protected from common weapon types that otherwise eat it in blink of eye, extended hp or not... and these on cruisers tend to be scarce)
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Posted - 2005.09.04 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 04/09/2005 20:04:45
Originally by: j0sephine
"ThatÆs the bit I donÆt agree with. Sure I only have one T1 frigate that can fit an oversized extender but I also only have one T1 frigate then can fit an oversized amour plate and still fit other things."
Mhm not sure about this bit really; it'd seem that as long as the frigate has two or more low slots and at least 30 mw of grid (preferably 35) it might be possible to use the 400 mm plate on it to effect that at least can make you consider it...
Well, i did some testing with that. I came up with rather crap setups, but i'll mention them - for comedy value as much as experiment value:
Punisher:
Can be tanked with a 400mm plate, awesome tank even (for a t1 frig, that is). The problem is that the ship is heavy and lacking speed and, in that regard, is vastly inferior to the plated rifter. No shield extender does fit so well, in any case.
Tristan:
Same issue than the punisher, severly lacking speed but can tank ok (for a t1 frig, that is) and fit guns with a plate. To my knowledge, one of the two t1 frig that can fit a medium extender.
incursus:
Can fit a 400mm plate and autocannons, plus standard tackling gears (mwd+web+scram), and is quite fast. Even though it is lacking some damage as compared to the standard plated rifter (at best doing 60-70% of the damage of the rifter), three mid slot make up for it in some cases. Autocannons on an incursus sounds wrong, though.
merlin:
Similar to the tristan, it can fit a medium extender. It is even better due to superior cpu, iirc, and can have some 1.4k shield and 50/60/40/60 resists. Useless except as a punching bag, though.
kestrel:
Can fit 400mm plate ok, i don't know about shield extenders. I'd prefer ew in it anyway.
rifter:
King of the 400mm plate, useless with a shield extender.
All in all, i don't have a working t1 frig/ t1 cruiser that can use shield extenders correctly. Mids are just too valuable for that, and shield resists are overall not impressive. I'll just fit plate + energized nano membrane + EW and not bother sticking shield extenders just to claim i made it.
Pottsey is often right and usually come with interesting ideas, but in this case i think that shield extenders should not be overestimated.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Edit: I remember telling you, pottsey, that the rifter was probably the best frig to use with a 400mm plate. I don't remember telling you that it was the only one, though. Sorry if that wasn't clear in that particular post.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy
Edit: I remember telling you, pottsey, that the rifter was probably the best frig to use with a 400mm plate. I don't remember telling you that it was the only one, though. Sorry if that wasn't clear in that particular post.
The kestral is far superior. 400mm plated kestral is arguably tied best ship (with the platerax), iskwise, in the game. Vigil is up there too.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
The kestral is far superior. 400mm plated kestral is arguably tied best ship (with the platerax), iskwise, in the game. Vigil is up there too.
As much as I'd hate to face that ship/setup in another frig, I'd hate to get caught between 10km - 20km by a faster ship running a disruptor while flying it. Granted, it's a disposable frig, so there's no big deal.
But, yeah, this setup is mean. Props to who found it 
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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Posted - 2005.09.05 12:13:00 -
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Well we might not agree on current extenders and plates but what about Xlarge plates and extenders. Assuming you want to see them what specs would you give the Xlarge modules?
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