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Poetic Stanziel Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 1924	Posted - 2013.03.29 01:18:00 - [1] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: ]Wrong. Our freedom of speech does not extend to hate speech. Not much to be done about it, since our Supreme Court has upheld the notion that hate speech is not protected. I'm asking your personal opinion, what with you defending Fon Revedhort's hate speech and all. My thought is that it was WRONG. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com
Poetic Stanziel Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 1924	Posted - 2013.03.29 01:20:00 - [2] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: Maybe some of you should take a step back as frankly I am not seeing much difference between the neo-** who would abolish peoples human rights and the neo-** haters that would abolish peoples human rights. Fascism can take root in any quarter. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com
Poetic Stanziel Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 1924	Posted - 2013.03.29 01:41:00 - [3] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: My thought is that it was WRONG. That what was wrong? Please be specific, this is going to be one of those enlightening moments I think. You need to be specific. The trials of Ernst Zundel happened in the 1980s. All I recall is that he wrote a bunch of anti-Jewish, anti-Holocaust literature. I do not recall him engaging in any violent behaviour. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com
Poetic Stanziel Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 1924	Posted - 2013.03.29 02:15:00 - [4] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: You need to be specific. The trials of Ernst Zundel happened in the 1980s. All I recall is that he wrote a bunch of anti-Jewish, anti-Holocaust literature. I do not recall him engaging in any violent behaviour. Funny, you didn't need specificity when you said "My thought is that it was WRONG.". Why now? Because I'm sensing a trap. :) So, ask specifically what you want to ask. I'm no Ernst Zundel expert. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com
Poetic Stanziel Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 1924	Posted - 2013.03.29 02:31:00 - [5] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: Because I'm sensing a trap. :) So, ask specifically what you want to ask. I'm no Ernst Zundel expert. I actually wasn't looking for specifics, I was asking what you thought of his treatment in general, both from the 80's trials and his subsequent deportation in 2005 (when he hilariously tried to claim refugee status in the wake of a German arrest warrant). I just found it odd that you answered the question first and then asked what part I meant specifically. Like I said ... he wasn't a violent man, nor were his writings explicitly endorsing violence. He simply wrote some anti-Jew and anti-Holocaust literature. I think, as a society, we can bear some ignoramuses, in favour of free speech of all forms. As for his deportation, he did leave the country, and his immigrant status expired. The only instance where I don't condone free speech is where it explicitly incites people towards violence. If Ernst had written a booked called "Kill All The Jews", then the government can step in to shut him the hell up. But he wasn't doing that. By the same token, Fons isn't inciting violence. He's simply spewing ignorance from time to time. Fons is certainly a racist. That is not a crime. As for him being a neo-** ... I'm not so sure. He's a nationalist, for sure. He disagrees with Russia's immigration policies. He disagrees with Russia's multicultural policies. Those things I know for sure. And like I said, he'd be right at home in any U.S. State bordering Mexico I've quoted Lenin in the past ... doesn't mean I'm a communist. By the same token, just because Fon quoted David Duke does not make him a neo-** or a Clansman. I find his viewpoints reprehensible ... but I do not think he's done anything inherently wrong, other than out himself as ignorant and petty and jealous. His life is likely terrible, and he finds it easier to blame everyone around him but himself. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com
Poetic Stanziel Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 1924	Posted - 2013.03.29 04:19:00 - [6] - Quote Kirk Stane-Muller wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: Snow Axe wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: My thought is that it was WRONG. That what was wrong? Please be specific, this is going to be one of those enlightening moments I think. You need to be specific. The trials of Ernst Zundel happened in the 1980s. All I recall is that he wrote a bunch of anti-Jewish, anti-Holocaust literature. I do not recall him engaging in any violent behaviour. Actually it was in the 90s - and he and his gang published hate speech, then terrorized those who opposed them, then of course there was the battle/riot at Sneeky Dee's when they thought it'd be "laughs" to track down and beat on of the girls. What are you talking about? That had nothing to do with Zundel. Zundel's trials were 1985 and 1988. I did more research ... and Zundel was eventually acquitted in 1992 by the Supreme Court. So good on the Supreme Court of Canada for upholding freedom of expression, even if such expression is abhorrent. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com
Poetic Stanziel Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 1924	Posted - 2013.03.29 05:10:00 - [7] - Quote mynnna wrote: Running for CSM is not a "human right". It's a capsuleer's right, and a nerd's privilege. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com

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