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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:01:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:Anathem - A stunning achievement of hard science fiction. This is how science fiction used to be, matched to the literary elevation of Dune. Yay ! Someone else likes it. My favorite novel OF ALL TIME. Read it 9 times so far. EDIT: (You left out the author's name here: Neal Stephenson, author of "Snow Crash"). But it is NOTHING like Dune at all. (  ) It's more of an assemblage of the entirety of Western Philosophical Thought from Plato to Wittgenstein and beyond ! Don't forget to read the 14 page Acknowledgements on the Web. I did better than list the author's name, I gave the link to the book on Amazon so he could see the author, the reviews, and order it. As for my comparison to Dune: Dune is one of the more amazing efforts in "world building" on par with Lord of the Rings. Like these two works, Anathem builds a unique vocabulary, though Stephenson does it much more seamlessly than Herbert. Like Dune, Anathem builds not only a world, but synthesizes realistic cultures from extrapolation (in the case of Dune), and abstraction in the case of Anathem. It is true that the narrative structures of Dune and Anathem are completely different. As are their messages as they speak to the reader. Dune's Big Idea brings together late 50's and early 60's drug culture, then new ideas on genetics, Herbert's own studies in environmental conservancy, and his studies of Zen mysticism and Arabic cultures. Herbert's underlying themes of religion-as-political-tool, tyranny, and freedom also shine through. As you mention, Stephenson breathes life into Platonic Idealism through the lens of modern physics and mathematics. As you read, you gain an education, in much the same way you do regrading desert ecology from reading Dune. These are the literary similarities I was referring to in spite of the fact that the two works are vastly different.
Fear not. I agree 100% with this.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:11:00 -
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As someone who has never read the Ringworld series. How is Niven's pros? Is it quite an easy read or is one a slog through the pages with a lot of heavy ideas to digest?
I'm looking for some more bedtime reading now I've driven through my current pile of Christmas books. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:24:00 -
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Graygor wrote:As someone who has never read the Ringworld series. How is Niven's pros? Is it quite an easy read or is one a slog through the pages with a lot of heavy ideas to digest?
I'm looking for some more bedtime reading now I've driven through my current pile of Christmas books.
He's not exactly the 'deepest' writer out there, lets just say that much.
"Ringworld" in fantastic, "Ringworld Engineers" is OK (helps to read his novel "Protector" first), "Ringworld Throne" is God-awful (Vampires.....seriously ?), "Children of Ringworld" is back to awesome. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Graygor
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:28:00 -
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Are they actually in sequence? Or if i skip the books you said to avoid I wont be missing out on essential plot and so on?
I'm not the worlds biggest SF Buff, largely because I find so much of the genre difficult to get into. I like my books to be light, yet thought provoking and provide a couple of laughs. Something I can get into bed with and have fun reading or enjoy a good captivating story. Not some long, overwinded tawdry balls up that a lot of SF ive come across is. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
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Athena Maldoran
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:33:00 -
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One of the best book i've read is "Cities in Fligth" by Thomas Blish.
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Frank Millar
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:43:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Graygor wrote:As someone who has never read the Ringworld series. How is Niven's pros? Is it quite an easy read or is one a slog through the pages with a lot of heavy ideas to digest?
I'm looking for some more bedtime reading now I've driven through my current pile of Christmas books. He's not exactly the 'deepest' writer out there, lets just say that much. "Ringworld" in fantastic, "Ringworld Engineers" is OK (helps to read his novel "Protector" first), "Ringworld Throne" is God-awful (Vampires.....seriously ?), "Children of Ringworld" is back to awesome. Agreed.
Larry Niven on his own is a bit of a casual affair, I feel. When he teams up with Jerry Pournelle (and Stephen Barnes), better things happen.
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Let's see... Charles Stross' Laundry-novels are a nice change of pace, mixing IT and occultism in an often hilarious and sometimes chilling fashion.
People have already mentioned Alastair Reynolds. I've almost finished Blue Remembered Earth and it's decent.
Richard Morgan. Altered Carbon and its successors (which are actually better), Market Forces and Black Man are pretty awesome. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.03.31 12:32:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Are they actually in sequence? Or if i skip the books you said to avoid I wont be missing out on essential plot and so on?
Yes, in sequence.
You can freely skip "Ringworld Throne". It belongs in the porcelain throne.
Long, boring, has stupid, stupid vampires, and contributes nothing important at all.
Call it a case of temporary insanity on Niven's part. TBH, I was a bit shocked at the badness. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Graygor
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Posted - 2013.03.31 12:38:00 -
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I'll get the first book and give it a whirl on my tablet then.
Always willing to try something new. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
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Jezaja
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Posted - 2013.03.31 13:42:00 -
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The "Otherland Trilogy" by Tad Williams
If you like Scifi + Cyberpunk + History + Philosphy and a freaking complex storyboard THIS is your choice :)
I really loved it. |

Jno Aubrey
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Posted - 2013.03.31 14:46:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jno Aubrey wrote:Since you like Larry Niven, I'd recommend his collaborations with Jerry Pournelle, especially "The Mote In God's Eye." I love "Ringworld", and I have a story about a very drunk Niven at WorldCon 1988 in New Orleans.
Haha it is very possible you and I were in the same room together  Name a shrub after me.-á Something prickly and hard to eradicate. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.03.31 15:02:00 -
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Graygor wrote:I'll get the first book and give it a whirl on my tablet then.
Always willing to try something new.
Ringworld was fairly mind-blowing back in 1970. Won both the Hugo and Nebula that year.
I read it in 1976 when I was 11 and it was the first 'adult' SF that I read. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.03.31 15:03:00 -
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Jno Aubrey wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jno Aubrey wrote:Since you like Larry Niven, I'd recommend his collaborations with Jerry Pournelle, especially "The Mote In God's Eye." I love "Ringworld", and I have a story about a very drunk Niven at WorldCon 1988 in New Orleans. Haha it is very possible you and I were in the same room together 
It was the Thursday night in the Sheraton Hospitality Room. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:15:00 -
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So I got ringworld last night. It's not a bad book. About 100 pages in. I must say though that it reeks of 1970s SF. This isnt a bad thing, just my god. I'd forgotten what old SF was like.
Still a good read though. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"Something I don't say very often: The welshman is right." - Marcus Gord |

Brujo Loco
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:31:00 -
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The Witcher Saga , unfortunately they were never fully released in english due to copyright issues, only some books as far as I recall, but try to get into it.
David Gemmell-¦s "Legend", not a fan of the rest of the series but that book alone is wonderful reading. Solid, basic archetypes, but really enjoyable reading.
Dancers at the End of Time by Moorcock, though more known for his Elric of Melnibone stories, Dancers is quite good. Not as good perhaps as Elric-¦s tales, but kinda funny and bizarre.
Also, since a lot of people seem to have covered the classics, try to find anything by William Tenn , I hardly see anyone mentioning this Author, and some of his works are very entertaining.
Good recommendations in this thred, solid ones!
Cheers! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

Brujo Loco
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:33:00 -
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Graygor wrote:So I got ringworld last night. It's not a bad book. About 100 pages in. I must say though that it reeks of 1970s SF. This isnt a bad thing, just my god. I'd forgotten what old SF was like.
Still a good read though.
Care to elaborate on that statement? ... please? Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

Random McNally
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:38:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:The Dresden Files - Harry Dresden, Wizard, the only one in the phone book. Hard-boiled noir detective meets Lord of the Rings. The only problem with these books is that you'll read each one in a single sitting (neglecting food, sleep and work) and be sad that book 14 isn't out yet. There's so much more, but let's start there. 
Oh so much this. Dresden series is wonderful!
Would also recommend Titan, Wizard and Demon (3 books) by John Varley. Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/
Mangala Solaris for CSM8.-á Free Saede!! |

Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:41:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Graygor wrote:So I got ringworld last night. It's not a bad book. About 100 pages in. I must say though that it reeks of 1970s SF. This isnt a bad thing, just my god. I'd forgotten what old SF was like.
Still a good read though. Care to elaborate on that statement? ... please?
Hard to explain really. Just the style of everything. It has a lot of that early 70s riff... maybe its just me I dont know.
For example, The Hitchhikers Guide To the Galaxy is probably the most 1980s series ever written in terms of SF. It reeks of Glam and so on.
It's really not a complaint. Just writing has changed since then. It's like saying "My God Dickens is such a 19th century writer!", same thing. The book is just more akin to what I used to read when I was young, than to what I have been reading as of late. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"Something I don't say very often: The welshman is right." - Marcus Gord |

Frank Millar
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:55:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Brujo Loco wrote:Graygor wrote:So I got ringworld last night. It's not a bad book. About 100 pages in. I must say though that it reeks of 1970s SF. This isnt a bad thing, just my god. I'd forgotten what old SF was like.
Still a good read though. Care to elaborate on that statement? ... please? Hard to explain really. Just the style of everything. It has a lot of that early 70s riff... maybe its just me I dont know. For example, The Hitchhikers Guide To the Galaxy is probably the most 1980s series ever written in terms of SF. It reeks of Glam and so on. It's really not a complaint. Just writing has changed since then. It's like saying "My God Dickens is such a 19th century writer!", same thing. The book is just more akin to what I used to read when I was young, than to what I have been reading as of late. I know exactly what you mean.
I had an "aha" moment just recently when I read Joe Haldeman's Forever War for the first time. Back than, writers introduced characters, made them go places, do stuff and suffer the consequences.
Nowadays, it's all about interweaving timelines, stupendously intricate technologies and maybe some character development here and there (gross simplification).
I don't mind either way, but the difference is as clear as day. |

Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2013.04.01 16:59:00 -
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Neal Asher The Skinner - Hi tech and low tech adventure and dry hilarity on the high seas of an ocean planet full of nasty sea creatures.
Arthur C. Clarke 2001: A Space Odyssey - Worth reading just for Clarke's humorous forward written 20 years later. The book and movie are actually companion pieces to each other. They're supposed to be read and view together.
Neal Stephenson Reamde - Chinese hacker gold farmers in a WOW-like MMO, plus Russian mafia, plus some terrorists, plus the usual likable Stephenson characters. And the usual laughs along the way.
Russell Hoban Riddley Walker - England a few thousand years after a nuclear holocaust. It's written in first person, in a future illiterate degraded dialect of English. "On my naming day when I come 12 I gone front spear and kilt a wyld boar he parbly ben the las wyld pig on the Bundel Downs any how there hadnt ben none for a long time befor him nor I aint looking to see none agen. He dint make the groun shake nor nothing like that when he come on to my spear he weren't all that big plus he lookit poorily. He done the reqwyrt he ternt and stood and clattert his teef and make his rush and there we wer then. Him on 1 end of the spear kicking his life out and me on the other end watching him dy. I said, 'Your tern now my tern later.. . "
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Noriko Satomi
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:29:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote: I had an "aha" moment just recently when I read Joe Haldeman's Forever War for the first time. Back than, writers introduced characters, made them go places, do stuff and suffer the consequences.
From Law & Order:
Det. Cassidy: "Oh! Old school, huh?" Lt. Van Buren: "If by 'old school' you mean 'doing it right', then yeah."
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:32:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: Neal Stephenson Reamde - Chinese hacker gold farmers in a WOW-like MMO, plus Russian mafia, plus some terrorists, plus the usual likable Stephenson characters. And the usual laughs along the way.
Great read except did the final "chase scene" really have to go on for 180 pages ?? That was almost a joke unto itself, and by the King of Long-Windedness Himself at that.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:33:00 -
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Random McNally wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:The Dresden Files - Harry Dresden, Wizard, the only one in the phone book. Hard-boiled noir detective meets Lord of the Rings. The only problem with these books is that you'll read each one in a single sitting (neglecting food, sleep and work) and be sad that book 14 isn't out yet. There's so much more, but let's start there.  Oh so much this. Dresden series is wonderful! Would also recommend Titan, Wizard and Demon (3 books) by John Varley.
Those were so fun when I read them at age 13 
Always wanted to meet Varley, and finally did, but not till I was 40 years old ! There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:35:00 -
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Graygor wrote:So I got ringworld last night. It's not a bad book. About 100 pages in. I must say though that it reeks of 1970s SF. This isnt a bad thing, just my god. I'd forgotten what old SF was like.
Still a good read though.
It's all about Teela Brown !
The concept behind her character is silly as all get out, but I love the character herself.
(You will not believe her fate in "Ringworld Engineers " ) There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:40:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote: Neal Stephenson Reamde - Chinese hacker gold farmers in a WOW-like MMO, plus Russian mafia, plus some terrorists, plus the usual likable Stephenson characters. And the usual laughs along the way.
Great read except did the final "chase scene" really have to go on for 180 pages ?? That was almost a joke unto itself, and by the King of Long-Windedness Himself at that. LOL, true. The pacing could have used a little turbocharging there. I actually liked Necronomicon better, but Reamde has an MMO theme, so it had to be mentioned on EO forums.  |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:44:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote: I had an "aha" moment just recently when I read Joe Haldeman's Forever Warfor the first time.
Now there is another great one.
I actually met Joe twice, once in Houston in 1980, then at that Worldcon in 1988. But on both occasions it was actually him and his father Jack, and they both signed each copy I had of their books ! There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Frank Millar
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Posted - 2013.04.01 19:04:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Frank Millar wrote: I had an "aha" moment just recently when I read Joe Haldeman's Forever Warfor the first time.
Now there is another great one. I actually met Joe twice, once in Houston in 1980, then at that Worldcon in 1988. But on both occasions it was actually him and his father Jack, and they both signed each copy I had of their books ! Nice. 
But however good Forever War was, what really sold me on Joe Haldeman was Forever Peace. Good story, excellent characters. I really should read more of his work. |

Noriko Satomi
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Posted - 2013.04.01 19:06:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL, true. The pacing could have used a little turbocharging there. I actually liked Necronomicon better, but Reamde has an MMO theme, so it had to be mentioned on EO forums. 
I hear Satan is an awesome author, but where did you get a copy... Oh wait, did you mean Cryptonomicon? Yes, that was a good book, more historical fiction than science fiction though.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.01 19:14:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL, true. The pacing could have used a little turbocharging there. I actually liked Necronomicon better, but Reamde has an MMO theme, so it had to be mentioned on EO forums.   I hear Satan is an awesome author, but where did you get a copy... Oh wait, did you mean Cryptonomicon? Yes, that was a good book, more historical fiction than science fiction though.
His Baroque Cycle of 3 novels is great historical fiction that reads like science fiction. More books of ideas than actual story. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Noriko Satomi
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Posted - 2013.04.01 19:25:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL, true. The pacing could have used a little turbocharging there. I actually liked Necronomicon better, but Reamde has an MMO theme, so it had to be mentioned on EO forums.   I hear Satan is an awesome author, but where did you get a copy... Oh wait, did you mean Cryptonomicon? Yes, that was a good book, more historical fiction than science fiction though. His Baroque Cycle of 3 novels is great historical fiction that reads like science fiction. More books of ideas than actual story. I skipped the Baroque Cycle and seemed to have read the best ones: - Snow Crash: With a main character named Hiro Protagonist, how can you go wrong? - Diamond Age: Nanotech meets neo-Victorian society... awesome (complete with techno-hippies naturally) - Cryptonomicon: World War II, cryptography, the Phillipines, and little Douglas MacArthur Shaftoe... but no science fiction. - Anathem: See previous recommendation and analysis. Probably Stephenson's greatest achievement to date.
I've also read the stuff he's written as Stephen Bury but none of it is as memorable. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.01 19:31:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL, true. The pacing could have used a little turbocharging there. I actually liked Necronomicon better, but Reamde has an MMO theme, so it had to be mentioned on EO forums.   I hear Satan is an awesome author, but where did you get a copy... Oh wait, did you mean Cryptonomicon? Yes, that was a good book, more historical fiction than science fiction though. His Baroque Cycle of 3 novels is great historical fiction that reads like science fiction. More books of ideas than actual story. I skipped the Baroque Cycle and seemed to have read the best ones: - Snow Crash: With a main character named Hiro Protagonist, how can you go wrong? - Diamond Age: Nanotech meets neo-Victorian society... awesome (complete with techno-hippies naturally) - Cryptonomicon: World War II, cryptography, the Phillipines, and little Douglas MacArthur Shaftoe... but no science fiction. - Anathem: See previous recommendation and analysis. Probably Stephenson's greatest achievement to date. I've also read the stuff he's written as Stephen Bury but none of it is as memorable.
The Baroque Cycle is the history of the ancestors of the folks in Cryptonomicon. With Isaac Newton and others.......
It's more about how science, banking, and other aspects of our world began during the Age of Enlightenment. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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