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Fortis88 Caldari Salvage Corp. 12	Posted - 2013.03.31 01:52:00 - [1] - Quote What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game.
Andracin Sickology 75	Posted - 2013.03.31 02:19:00 - [2] - Quote No. PLEX is probably one of the smartest things Ive seen an MMO do. In every other MMO people have to buy game money from RMT traders if they want a quick step up. Here it is much easier to legitimately do it and support CCP rather than some chinese criminal enterprise, which reduces the number of RMT accounts wrecking the economy. It also rewards players who dedicate time in the game by letting them play for "free". Name one other MMO that you can pay in-game currency for game time... As for people who waste isk on ship after ship full of shiny...well being a pirate I say bring it on...there is nothing like catching an entirely blinging mission runner trying his luck in low sec...money can buy ships but it don't buy skill...
Fortis88 Caldari Salvage Corp. 12	Posted - 2013.03.31 04:14:00 - [3] - Quote There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking.
Laudiur Rim Worlds Republic SpaceMonkey's Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.03.31 07:44:00 - [4] - Quote how you think you gonna get that plex to be able to buy with in game money???? doing it your way means CCP doesn't get anything for the in-game plex and would therefore lose money just like it would through RMT
Andracin Sickology 77	Posted - 2013.03.31 09:46:00 - [5] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value. So your saying your fine if CCP take ISK (their intellectual property) as trade for PLEX (their monetary property) and then let you trade it for game time or AUR? You do realize that players who sell PLEX are paying slightly more than a monthly subscription in real life currency to CCP for the PLEX? In your model CCP is trading their property for their property and giving away game time so you can play free and they don't get paid.....if they followed that advice we would be out of a cool space ship game.... And it is not legalizing crime. PLEX ensures that the exchange of RL money for intellectual property goes to the owners of that property. Not some bot-scamming, account hacking, game ruining company that has no intrest in making EVE a better game, they are just looking to make a fast dollar on players who have more RL money than time. Trust me Im not so well set in RL that I can PLEX my way to financial bliss either, but if by its existance I don't get spammed by RMT traders like I did in WOW, EQ2 and SWG I'll accept it. Ive played the game a long time now and have not seen a case where PLEX off-balanced the game other than providing some awesome KM from pilots who confused shiney with invincible....
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 239	Posted - 2013.03.31 10:16:00 - [6] - Quote stupid idea oh if it makes people more careless to loose expensive ships i cant see what is the problem with that, I prefer that way easier and more targets with better loot , what better thing you could ask for ? .O
Bloody Wench 310	Posted - 2013.03.31 14:19:00 - [7] - Quote Let me tell you what would happen in my instance if they stopped PLEX sales. I would immediately go down to 1 account. $15 a month I can kinda justify for a video game but certainly not $15 x the number I currently run. Then it would dawn on me that I'm not having any fun with just one character and the last account would probably go. So...no.
Bronn Stormborn Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.03.31 18:33:00 - [8] - Quote Bloody Wench wrote: Let me tell you what would happen in my instance if they stopped PLEX sales. I would immediately go down to 1 account. $15 a month I can kinda justify for a video game but certainly not $15 x the number I currently run. Then it would dawn on me that I'm not having any fun with just one character and the last account would probably go. So...no. Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
Jack Carrigan Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order 834	Posted - 2013.03.31 21:08:00 - [9] - Quote Bloody stupid idea is bloody stupid. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2811	Posted - 2013.04.01 09:42:00 - [10] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value. So you're essentially asking CCP to give away free game time. No. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular.

Mag's the united Negative Ten. 14655	Posted - 2013.04.01 18:15:00 - [11] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value. What are you smoking? Tell you what, stop smoking it, get a clue, then realise how daft you're being. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Feligast GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1306	Posted - 2013.04.01 21:32:00 - [12] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value. Okay, so now everyone buys plex, that makes CCP no money, because they just spawn magically... how exactly do you expect CCP to survive as a company? I eagerly await your obviously highly informed opinion.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 2335	Posted - 2013.04.02 05:32:00 - [13] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value. I just want to point out that CCP legalized crime by including it as a valid game mechanic in the EULA. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Cyprus Black Perkone Caldari State 732	Posted - 2013.04.02 08:38:00 - [14] - Quote I don't think the OP knows how the PLEX selling system works ingame. If he did he wouldn't have made this ridiculous thread. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece.
Daedra Blue Atomic Biohazard 32	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:25:00 - [15] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game. Let me translate that for you into english. Fortis88 wrote: I am butthurt that people with lots of money in real life can invest real life cash to buy more assets and kick my ass because i don't have/want to put real life money into a game. These are the people i buy gametime from with virtuall currency because i don't have/want to invest real life money into a game. So swiping your real life cash everytime you lose a ship takes the edge of an encounter? Did your brain logic have some polarity reversal or something?
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 925	Posted - 2013.04.02 17:42:00 - [16] - Quote See what happened? You got trolled by RL poor ppl who play internet spaceship game for free. Some ppl are RL rich, they're known here in Eve as noobs, others are RL poor, known as 1337 vets. Here, bums make fun of normal ppl. Don't take that away from them. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
Agent Trask New Order Logistics CODE. 117	Posted - 2013.04.02 18:40:00 - [17] - Quote fortis88 wrote: What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? People who buy PLEX help pay for the free icecream CCP hands out to you every month. In World of Tanks, newbcake schoolkids moan about people with jobs buying Lowes to make in-game credits, but they can't bend their little minds around the fact that those premium tank buyers are paying for their free gameplay. ( Selling PLEX officially also makes gold farmers cry, and encourages them to go pollute other MMOs. ) Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code. www.minerbumping.com
Blake Rogers State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.04 08:12:00 - [18] - Quote Buying PLEX does benefit those who do the real world grind for money, if that's how they choose to spend it. Arguably EVEs real time skill system also benefits those with other commitments. I have no problem with it, and given the average EVE player is an older gamer, I think it's a good match.
LittleTerror Illuminated Foundation Trust 36	Posted - 2013.04.04 13:14:00 - [19] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game. Let them buy their plex, they are too stupid to actually make that isk them selves, people who aren't lazy or too stupid will continue to make more isk and play the game for nothing. Also form a business perspective during these time's plex is a very clever idea, it helps CCP continue to pay its staff even with the trouble with the banks in Iceland and the rest of the world.
Nariya Kentaya Always Negative. 492	Posted - 2013.04.08 21:02:00 - [20] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime. Metaphorically speaking. And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value. Right, its not "legalizing crime to prevent crime". besides that though, buying PLEX from CCP directly with ingame money HURTS THE GAME since your NOT paying them a subsciption, for every PLEX you buy from another player, CCP has made almost 20 USD (compared to the 15 for a recurring subscription), it also helps the playerbase. do you know how many people buy PLEX from other players because they CANT AFFORD AN ACCOUNT? alot. PLEX allows those people to have someone else buy their gametime for them, with isk being given as compansation/thankyou. not to mention is CCP accepted the isk directly for gametime, it would royally break PLEX, because CCP would CONSTANTLY have to redo the price to compensate for average player income so they dont go broke (read as, making sure almost no one can realistically afford it). right now PLEX is balanced because, depending on the market/economy, they can range from anywhere between 400-750mil. of course, theres also the basic RMT prevention, and that every dollar someone spends on CCP instead of a chinese golf-farmer gets put right back into eve to help fund those TWO FREE YEARLY EXPANSIONS.

yodayblack Klima Technology 1	Posted - 2013.04.26 15:28:00 - [21] - Quote Something no one has touched on is how plex sales help all those sites you love. Battleclinc, eve-kill, etc They sell 60 day gtcs which are converted to two plex and sold on the market. So you take the purchase of plex away you hurt those 3rd party sites that make eve a little bit more fun to show off to your friends. Also plex is pure profit for them. I buy 6 plex a month to sell, 6 people use those plex to add game time. Thats 6 more subs eve has. It helps them because those 6 people werent going to buy a sub from ccp. Now i get a little extra cash for my time which makes my eve play style a little better for the month. That 3 billion isk didnt destroy the game, or make me super god or some ****. So. 7 people got to enjoy eve another month and ccp made about $20 bucks in pure profit that they would not of made with out plex. That adds up really fast to all those ships your flying, and all the devs are getting a paycheck instead of this game disappearing or worst become free to play, which we all know would be pay to win. Also. what do you think is paying for dust? AUR might keep it going but it was Plex sales that help create that game.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 2066	Posted - 2013.04.26 16:43:00 - [22] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game. Isk is not generated from PLEX. People swipe a credit card to get game time. They then trade that game time to another player for isk (at free-market value). That player spent time in game to accrue that isk, and it is completely up to them whether they wish to trade it or not. I personally think the implementation of PLEX was brilliant, and certainly don't support removing it from the game!
Fortis88 Caldari Salvage Corp. 13	Posted - 2013.04.27 00:56:00 - [23] - Quote Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free?
Cas Dallocort Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us 0	Posted - 2013.04.27 02:25:00 - [24] - Quote I buy PLEX with real money to fund my game playstyle - I could mine/rat/whatever - I choose not to. Know why? Because I'm sure as heck not going to chew rocks for however much ISK an hour when I can just pay to play for the time I want to spent in the game having fun. Not going to happen. Who loses out from this? No one. People who enjoy making ingame ISK to fund PLEX's get a reason to do so, and I still get to play. They get to trade, mine, rat, scam whatever they like. We all get to play EVE in the way we want. Someone still has to earn the ISK to buy my PLEX, which I then use to buy more stuff on the market to enable me to do what I want in game. These people gain a PLEX, which enables them to do what they want. We get to choose our playstyles, CCP gets to make money (do you work for free?) and we all go home happy bunnies. Could you please explain how this is not analogous to real life, and how this is in any way a detriment to the game? It's called a market, a sandbox, a choice. It's called EVE.
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep The Methodical Alliance 137	Posted - 2013.04.27 08:21:00 - [25] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game. You're an idiot. Plex allows people like me who can actually make isk to play the game without paying. Others foot the bill to CCP for us. If you don't like it, don't use it.
Gallowmere Rorschach The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.04.27 11:09:00 - [26] - Quote Blake Rogers wrote: Buying PLEX does benefit those who do the real world grind for money, if that's how they choose to spend it. Arguably EVEs real time skill system also benefits those with other commitments. I have no problem with it, and given the average EVE player is an older gamer, I think it's a good match. Did a double-take at this, solely because your character has the exact same name as the operations manager at the RL company I work for. O_o Oh, I also agree with your point.
Sravaw Uneven Structure 0	Posted - 2013.04.28 00:48:00 - [27] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free? In a word - "Barely."
Javon Bars FinFleet Raiden. 1	Posted - 2013.04.28 01:46:00 - [28] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free? You're fairly new to the game so it's understandable that you don't know how it was before PLEXes were introduced, despite your ridiculous candy remarks I'll give a serious answer: Before PLEX were introduced people traded directly in GTC. You bought a GTC and sold it ingame directly for isk. Exact same thing as now except now there's an ingame item that represents it.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 14722	Posted - 2013.04.28 14:02:00 - [29] - Quote Fortis88 wrote: Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free? I'll do you a favour and give you a little heads up. Stop posting until you have a clue about the subject. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 732	Posted - 2013.04.28 20:32:00 - [30] - Quote lmfao at the suggestion that you can pay to win in this game actual player skill trumps everything else by several orders of magnitude



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