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Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
66
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:18:00 -
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So, I abandoned a few hundred drones around a gate to prevent the stabbed cloaky ships passing through from......passing through.
I've done this previously, after having created a petition asking if it was against the rules. The GM gave me the green light.
I've seen various pirate organizations do it on many occasions. But, apparently when a member of the minmatar militia petitions it, a GM shows up 5 minutes later, deletes the drones and gives you a warning involving potentially being permabanned.
Fair warning. |

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
229
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:21:00 -
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*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*
Ahem, your claims that GMs and CCP staff favour your immediate enemy are naught but typical amarr whining and tinfoil hattery.
Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.
Chop chop. |

Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
66
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:29:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*
Ahem, your claims that GMs and CCP staff favour your immediate enemy are naught but typical amarr whining and tinfoil hattery.
Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.
Chop chop.
Get back in your bomber and do some more missions.
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
229
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:34:00 -
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Templar Dane wrote:Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*
Ahem, your claims that GMs and CCP staff favour your immediate enemy are naught but typical amarr whining and tinfoil hattery.
Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.
Chop chop. Get back in your bomber and do some more missions.
Hang on, i'm just going to ask my GM buddies to clear your exploit cloud first.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
337
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:34:00 -
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Last I heard this is one of those situations that entirely depends on what GM you get. Some will say it's fine as long as it does not cause lag, others will consider it wrong and give you **** for it.
Templar Dane wrote:So, I abandoned a few hundred drones around a gate to prevent the stabbed cloaky ships passing through from......passing through.
I've done this previously, after having created a petition asking if it was against the rules. The GM gave me the green light.
I've seen various pirate organizations do it on many occasions. But, apparently when a member of the minmatar militia petitions it, a GM shows up 5 minutes later, deletes the drones and gives you a warning involving potentially being permabanned.
Fair warning.
derp? |

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
229
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:37:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Last I heard this is one of those situations that entirely depends on what GM you get. Some will say it's fine as long as it does not cause lag, others will consider it wrong and give you **** for it.
Yes but didn't you hear? All but one of the GMs are in the minmatar militia. We know it's true because amarrbot3000 tells me so when i shake it. |

Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
66
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:46:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Last I heard this is one of those situations that entirely depends on what GM you get. Some will say it's fine as long as it does not cause lag, others will consider it wrong and give you **** for it. Templar Dane wrote:So, I abandoned a few hundred drones around a gate to prevent the stabbed cloaky ships passing through from......passing through.
I've done this previously, after having created a petition asking if it was against the rules. The GM gave me the green light.
I've seen various pirate organizations do it on many occasions. But, apparently when a member of the minmatar militia petitions it, a GM shows up 5 minutes later, deletes the drones and gives you a warning involving potentially being permabanned.
Fair warning.
Well, he apparently didn't care to look at the petition that gave me the green light.
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Ryuce
34
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:51:00 -
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I know several people who have encounters GM's which didn't tolerate this.
E: TBH I fully support the GM's decision. |

Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
66
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:58:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:Templar Dane wrote:Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*
Ahem, your claims that GMs and CCP staff favour your immediate enemy are naught but typical amarr whining and tinfoil hattery.
Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.
Chop chop. Get back in your bomber and do some more missions. Hang on, i'm just going to ask my GM buddies to clear your exploit cloud first.
Exploit? You mean, preventing a ship from cloaking because of game mechanics?
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
232
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:54:00 -
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Templar Dane wrote:Exploit? You mean, preventing a ship from cloaking because of game mechanics?
1. As you so rightly pointed out, every member of the GM team is a minmatar sympathiser so it's only an exploit when YOU do it.
In fact I plan to do exactly the same thing to you and I'll get away with it as well MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
2. Anything that might cause lag is an exploit. Dropping hundreds of drones counts as this, the first GM that told you otherwise is wrong.
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Kodama Ikari
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
61
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Posted - 2013.04.01 21:06:00 -
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the legit strategy vs lag exploit issues are conflated because anything that has enough debris in space to effectively prevent cloaking will meet the threshold for causing client-side lag, making it an exploit. If you drop 10 drones and prevent cloaking, its not an exploit, but you won't catch many people that way. Some first-hand PI tips |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3055
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Posted - 2013.04.01 21:32:00 -
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I use this tactic frequently. Instead of drones or cans, I use corpses.
I jump into my target system with an alt with a viator filled with corpses. I ordit the gate at 12km and drop corpse after corpse, changing orbits every couple minutes.
It works...and most player who dont have biomass added to overview never know what hit them.
Also, corpses dont despawn after 2 hrs, so the camping can last all day! and unlike cans, there is no wait time between deployments.
youre welcome. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

BadFC
BadFleet
23
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Posted - 2013.04.02 03:40:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:*removes my super-sekrit GM costume*
Here's a string of fairy lights, if you look at them right and take blurry photos you can pretend it's alien spaceships come to abduct you and take you to the CIA/NWO moonbase again.
Chop chop.
i ROFL'd in rl... |

Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
197
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Posted - 2013.04.06 10:40:00 -
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Good to know that back in the days before the Kurni/Isbra gate dropping more than 2 HUNDRED CANS on the Eszur gate in Hof to decloak my Tengu was a legitimate move and that only drones are illegal.
(No, I am not mad. I obviously didn't lose that Tengu to T.R.I.E.D or mothra noobies who lose Abaddons to 2 frigates with 5 of them on grid.) |

Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
38
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Posted - 2013.04.06 10:51:00 -
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Templar Dane wrote:So, I abandoned a few hundred drones around a gate to prevent the stabbed cloaky ships passing through from......passing through.
I've done this previously, after having created a petition asking if it was against the rules. The GM gave me the green light.
I've seen various pirate organizations do it on many occasions. But, apparently when a member of the minmatar militia petitions it, a GM shows up 5 minutes later, deletes the drones and gives you a warning involving potentially being permabanned.
Fair warning. Should've told my GM friends to also ban your forum account, NOW THE SECRET IS OUT.    pew pew |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
97
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Posted - 2013.04.09 09:32:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I use this tactic frequently. Instead of drones or cans, I use corpses.
I jump into my target system with an alt with a viator filled with corpses. I ordit the gate at 12km and drop corpse after corpse, changing orbits every couple minutes.
It works...and most player who dont have biomass added to overview never know what hit them.
Also, corpses dont despawn after 2 hrs, so the camping can last all day! and unlike cans, there is no wait time between deployments.
youre welcome.
I like this idea. If you kill something fast enough, they won't know what tactic to petition against.
Petition warfare and anti-petition warfare is a new dimension to consider against the new generation of entitled players. Please help me with my survey on high-sec aggression: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dLcM27c_qDyOIxFgE4Zan_T8j_eZDDeCUAEL4lwXGC8/viewform |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
49
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Posted - 2013.04.09 12:27:00 -
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I dont think it's even anything to do with lag
a normal subcap ship can only field 5 drones at a time. Dropping hundreds is clearly not the intended use for them. It's almost bordering on automated play.
However I don't think CCP will have a problem with you running multiple accounts with drones out
failing that: make some friends. |

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
403
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Posted - 2013.04.09 12:44:00 -
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don't forget:
- not only GMs but also DEVs and CSMs works against Amarr Militia - the whole FW tiers are designed to give advantage to minmatar - the warzone geography is desinged against the amarr - plex rats' ecm is designed against amarr - the roleplay background too is designed against amarr! - amarr cannot do mission (NPC are against them) - amarr are forced to undock and do stuff to earn some ISK (not like us minmatar that get a weekly salary) - amarr are poors, they can barely fit a T1 cruiser. While Minnie are dirty ritch so they can throw away fleet of hundreds and hundreds SFI like where rifters.
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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
1022
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:09:00 -
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Completely non-militia we have had similar happen a couple of months ago. It went something like this, after we had beautifully spiked the P3 gate in IPAY to prevent the immediate recloaking of strat cruisers and other covops:
- P3 scout: GÇ£Loki just landed on the IPAY gateGÇ¥ GÇ£JumpingGÇ¥
- Camp FC: GǣSetup for decloak guysGǥ GǣThere he is GǪ go, go, go!Gǥ
- Camp FC: GÇ£Damn, there he goes. Good try.GÇ¥
- Loki pilot in local: GÇ£Exploit! Petition filed.GÇ¥
10 minutes later
- Observant fleet member: GÇ£New neut, no gate flashGÇ¥
- Scouts: GÇ£No-one came thru EIDI or Q-. Must be a logon.GÇ¥
- Fleet member: GÇ£ItGÇÖs a CCP GM guys, look at the character name.GÇ¥
- Camp FC: GÇ£Quick, see if you can get a probe scan on him. ItGÇÖll be a great kill.GÇ¥
- Fleet member: GÇ£Hey, where did all our cans go?GÇ¥
- Camp FC: GÇ£$#@%, heGÇÖs removed them all. That $#@%ing Loki tard.GÇ¥
- Fleet member: GÇ£HeGÇÖs gone.GÇ¥
So, literally within minutes of a complaint petition being filed CCP jumped into system and instantly erased our beautiful collection of strategically placed jet-cans. No explanation, no nothing.
My main concern with this is the seemingly inconsistent application and action by CCP. In another incident I complained about dying to a similar setup (hundreds of T1 drones spiking a bubble that I cloaky warped into) and CCP declined to take any action, explaining that it was only a problem if it lagged or was intended to lag the system. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
565
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:06:00 -
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Much better off doing this with scanner probes, no 2m delay between each jet. |
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
698
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:45:00 -
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i am the GM who removed your drones. Don't read too much into it, I just prefer the winmatar militia tbh |

Samillian
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
204
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:07:00 -
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I've seen the tactic used a number of times over the years and it has always resulted in your drones being cleared and a GM warning issued, I have never seen an instance where a GM approved of the tactic or ever having heard of it being green lighted. This tactic used to cause serious local lag and has been used recently to help put systems into TiDi. You should escalate the petition for a more definitive answer.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2010
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:41:00 -
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Setting out drones and cans and stuff to decloak people is 100% legit!!! It is not an exploit...
The exploit is putting out too many drones/cans, such that the grid-loading procedure is lagged. You are NOT allowed to purposely create lag so you can get a kill. Another example of a lag-inducing exploit this is convo bombing...
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Much better off doing this with scanner probes, no 2m delay between each jet.
^^ This is what I recommend..... Drones and cans have an acutal image to load... which is why putting 1000 drones on a gate can result in exploit-level lag when loading system. Probes do NOT have such a graphic intensive representation. Additionally, you can deploy 7-8 of them at once (depending on your skill), with repeated deployments simply requiring multiple jumps through the gate. They are cheap, easy to deploy, expire in 1 hour, can easily be recalled (reconnect, recall, reconnect, recall... rinse repeat until they are all recalled), and thoroughly mess up people's dscan when they have probes added to the overview!
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
71
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:06:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Setting out drones and cans and stuff to decloak people is 100% legit!!! It is not an exploit... The exploit is putting out too many drones/cans, such that the grid-loading procedure is lagged. You are NOT allowed to purposely create lag so you can get a kill. Another example of a lag-inducing exploit this is convo bombing... Crosi Wesdo wrote:Much better off doing this with scanner probes, no 2m delay between each jet. ^^ This is what I recommend..... Drones and cans have an acutal image to load... which is why putting 1000 drones on a gate can result in exploit-level lag when loading system. Probes do NOT have such a graphic intensive representation. Additionally, you can deploy 7-8 of them at once (depending on your skill), with repeated deployments simply requiring multiple jumps through the gate. They are cheap, easy to deploy, expire in 1 hour, can easily be recalled (reconnect, recall, reconnect, recall... rinse repeat until they are all recalled), and thoroughly mess up people's dscan when they have probes added to the overview!
Nice, I had not thought about probes. Unfortunately I had three accounts issued a warning for "u lag on purpose" and I'd rather not put my faith in another clueless gm.
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Drunken Bum
99
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Posted - 2013.04.13 19:56:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I use this tactic frequently. Instead of drones or cans, I use corpses.
I jump into my target system with an alt with a viator filled with corpses. I ordit the gate at 12km and drop corpse after corpse, changing orbits every couple minutes.
It works...and most player who dont have biomass added to overview never know what hit them.
Also, corpses dont despawn after 2 hrs, so the camping can last all day! and unlike cans, there is no wait time between deployments.
youre welcome. Ive had biomass on my overview for quite awhile after hearing about this tactic xD Still dont see it used as much as drones or cans though Spare some change?-á |

Tsobai Hashimoto
Hard Knocks Inc.
125
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:19:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:Templar Dane wrote:Exploit? You mean, preventing a ship from cloaking because of game mechanics? 1. As you so rightly pointed out, every member of the GM team is a minmatar sympathiser so it's only an exploit when YOU do it. In fact I plan to do exactly the same thing to you and I'll get away with it as well MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 2. Anything that might cause lag is an exploit. Dropping hundreds of drones counts as this, the first GM that told you otherwise is wrong.
if everything that creates lag is an exploit then we better ban every null fc for swarming systems with 300 man blobs!
everyone in jita needs a ban too for slowing down the system! |

Makavelia
Matar Pure
34
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:43:00 -
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All this tactic does is puts another nail in the coffin of a true solo player.
Gate camping is and always has been the lowest form of pvp. 99% of kills are not even worth posting.. but still, you post. |
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