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Cardano Firesnake Babylon Knights Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2013.04.02 07:53:00 - [1] - Quote I know that is an excellent way to reduce the farm in the game. But I do not think it is the better solution. I don't mind having an hostile in my system. The problem to me is the fact I cannot be sure he is behind his computer. There is no way to bait a guy that is not plaing. So it is useless to try. It is alreday really hard to catch a cloak ship but it is even more boring to try to catch a player that is not playing. Their should have a counter measure for each action in the game but the only counter measure for AFK cloaky is going to AFK cloak the farming zone of the Afk cloaky corpmates . Quite annoying and simply not a funny game. Please Fix that.
DataRunner Attor Independent Confederacy of Worlds 88	Posted - 2013.04.02 07:57:00 - [2] - Quote Please, read this. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699&find=unread and my sig. GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥
Cardano Firesnake Babylon Knights Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2013.04.02 09:22:00 - [3] - Quote I am aware of all tese thread. But nothing have change. So I will continue to post. No matter how, the AFK cloaky problem must be fixed. If CCP don't want to ear it. We must continue to tell it.
Omnathious Deninard Extrinsic Operations 778	Posted - 2013.04.02 09:28:00 - [4] - Quote There is no problem get over it Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 120	Posted - 2013.04.02 10:48:00 - [5] - Quote Cardano Firesnake wrote: IThere is no way to bait a guy that is not plaing.. you solved your own problem, good job. AFK cloakers can't be baited, they aren't there. Rat away. Or..... they actually are there but have assumed you are bait, or not worth their time to call in a cyno strike force or go for the solo kill (I'll be nice, they think they don't got the kill and are waiting for easier prey). Either way....rat away. Just don't let your tank drop too low. Isk per hour or cautious warp outs to not be an easier kill....unless you are making more per tick than the cost of your ship and med clone the I'd opt for cautious warp outs to recharge the tank. PLus my usual read some damn KB''s. I mean actually read them. Pvp'ers either by e-peen need or to make leadership happy showign they are active post km's...if your afk has ever killed or been killed its been time date stamped somewhere every single time. Why would you run in fear of an afk cloaky whose time stamps are almost always 10-12 hours off from your play time?
Azrael Dinn The 20th Legion Mildly Sober 71	Posted - 2013.04.02 10:49:00 - [6] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: There is no problem get over it There is a problem cause people keep complaining about it
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 590	Posted - 2013.04.02 10:50:00 - [7] - Quote You're in the wrong bit of space, go to highsec, there's nothing to fear from cloakers there.
Omnathious Deninard Extrinsic Operations 778	Posted - 2013.04.02 11:21:00 - [8] - Quote Azrael Dinn wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: There is no problem get over it There is a problem cause people keep complaining about it People complain about minier ganking and bumping also, but there is no problem there either. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 395	Posted - 2013.04.02 11:40:00 - [9] - Quote Cardano Firesnake wrote: There is no way to bait a guy that is not plaing. So it is useless to try. . Glad to see someone after many experiments finally realized as is pointless trying to bait someone that is not even playing; now we can only adress the issue hoping CCP will fix this, making people baitable also when not playing.
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 1155	Posted - 2013.04.02 11:53:00 - [10] - Quote Cardano Firesnake wrote: I know that is an excellent way to reduce the farm in the game. But I do not think it is the better solution. I don't mind having an hostile in my system. The problem to me is the fact I cannot be sure he is behind his computer. There is no way to bait a guy that is not plaing. So it is useless to try. It is alreday really hard to catch a cloak ship but it is even more boring to try to catch a player that is not playing. Their should have a counter measure for each action in the game but the only counter measure for AFK cloaky is going to AFK cloak the farming zone of the Afk cloaky corpmates . Quite annoying and simply not a funny game. Please Fix that. Why do you think you deserve this extra free intel (on top of the ridiculous level you already have from local)? What kind of horrible carebear are you that you're annoyed that a tiny bit of time or effort might be "wasted" by trying to bait or defend yourself against a cloaky? Are conditions in TEST so bad that you need CCP to step in and further boost your carebearing efficiency?
Onomerous Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries 54	Posted - 2013.04.02 12:17:00 - [11] - Quote Great News!@!!!! CCP has fixed the cloaky problem!!! There is no problem so everything is ok now. Adjust and prosper. also... lol at wanting NS to be safer!!!
Cardano Firesnake Babylon Knights Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2013.04.02 12:39:00 - [12] - Quote I don't want null sec to be safe. It is already safer than Highsec. I want to be sure that when I try to catch someone he is playing Eve too. The problem is that there is no way to know if a cloaky ship is afk or not. I have no problem with a cloaky ship hunting miners or raters. I have a problem with a cloaky ship that is simply in the system to create an unreal threat. There is no fun in this style of gaming. Yes I have the option of not hunting cloaky ship, but in this case we have also the option not playing Eve. So avoid this type of comment. The goal is to change the game to make it better.
Cardano Firesnake Babylon Knights Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2013.04.02 12:45:00 - [13] - Quote Gypsio III wrote: You're in the wrong bit of space, go to highsec, there's nothing to fear from cloakers there. Here again someone who post without reading. I don't fear cloaky ships, I am just bored to wait them coming for the fight.
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 1298	Posted - 2013.04.02 12:47:00 - [14] - Quote Imagine if you lived in a wormhole where not only are there cloakers everywhere, but you don't even know they're there. Somehow people manage to go about their day, being careful, and doing their best to not get ganked. I can't imagine how much easier it would be if local flashed everytime someone entered your wormhole, and gave you all the info you needed to know to figure out how large of a threat they were. Perhaps the real solution to afk cloakers is to do what everyone tells high sec people to do, and fleet up. That one lone guy in a cloaking ship is hardly likely to attack you and your friends ratting, as he'd have no chance. With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Drake Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 102	Posted - 2013.04.02 12:49:00 - [15] - Quote This is a pretty invisible problem
Athena Maldoran Special Nymphs On A Mission 1437	Posted - 2013.04.02 12:56:00 - [16] - Quote Afk cloakers isnt a problem, the fear of one is It's a viable source of intel, and a good way of interupting income. HTFU, ccp will never change it.
Cardano Firesnake Babylon Knights Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:12:00 - [17] - Quote Rengerel en Distel wrote: Imagine if you lived in a wormhole where not only are there cloakers everywhere, but you don't even know they're there. Somehow people manage to go about their day, being careful, and doing their best to not get ganked. I can't imagine how much easier it would be if local flashed everytime someone entered your wormhole, and gave you all the info you needed to know to figure out how large of a threat they were. Perhaps the real solution to afk cloakers is to do what everyone tells high sec people to do, and fleet up. That one lone guy in a cloaking ship is hardly likely to attack you and your friends ratting, as he'd have no chance. I aggree I don't like the local chan either. I think it should be like in wormholes everywhere. But it would be really too easy to catch farmers. If CCP would modify the local chan they should give a way to detect hostiles in the system.
Azrael Dinn The 20th Legion Mildly Sober 71	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:14:00 - [18] - Quote Athena Maldoran wrote: Afk cloakers isnt a problem, the fear of one is It's a viable source of intel, and a good way of interupting income. HTFU, ccp will never change it. Time to buy CCP stocks then and get rid of few devs so things will change.
The General Failure Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:15:00 - [19] - Quote Cardano Firesnake wrote: . I don't fear cloaky ships, I am just bored to wait them coming for the fight. They won't wether they are afk or not. the only time they will come to the fight is when they think the situation is in their favour, that is the big advantage of cloaking why do you think they would give that away? the whole Idea of a cloak is to avoid people.
Cardano Firesnake Babylon Knights Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:17:00 - [20] - Quote Athena Maldoran wrote: Afk cloakers isnt a problem, the fear of one is It's a viable source of intel, and a good way of interupting income. HTFU, ccp will never change it. You continue to not understand my point of view. I don't fear them. I know all the way to not be catched even if it happens sometimes not so often though ;-) I just want to be sure that the guy that spying my system really play. A auto log off after 1 hour of inactivity could be enough for me if there was no bots ;-)
Cardano Firesnake Babylon Knights Test Alliance Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:18:00 - [21] - Quote The General Failure wrote: Cardano Firesnake wrote: . I don't fear cloaky ships, I am just bored to wait them coming for the fight. They won't wether they are afk or not. the only time they will come to the fight is when they think the situation is in their favour, that is the big advantage of cloaking why do you think they would give that away? the whole Idea of a cloak is to avoid people. Because I would let them think I am a good target. It is called baiting.
ConranAntoni Empyrean Warriors Insidious Empire 64	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:23:00 - [22] - Quote Oh lawd, somethings afk, man the harpoons, **** might get real if a cat walks across the keyboard and hits f1 to reveal its a cloak fitted Rifter.
Daedra Blue Atomic Biohazard 32	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:31:00 - [23] - Quote Cardano Firesnake wrote: I know that is an excellent way to reduce the farm in the game. But I do not think it is the better solution. I don't mind having an hostile in my system. The problem to me is the fact I cannot be sure he is behind his computer. There is no way to bait a guy that is not playing. So it is useless to try. It is alreday really hard to catch a cloak ship but it is even more boring to try to catch a player that is not playing. Their should have a counter measure for each action in the game but the only counter measure for AFK cloaky is going to AFK cloak the farming zone of the Afk cloaky corpmates . Quite annoying and simply not a funny game. Please Fix that. So LOW SEC and NO SEC actually fell like that? What a surprise!!
Athena Maldoran Special Nymphs On A Mission 1464	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:38:00 - [24] - Quote Azrael Dinn wrote: Athena Maldoran wrote: Afk cloakers isnt a problem, the fear of one is It's a viable source of intel, and a good way of interupting income. HTFU, ccp will never change it. Time to buy CCP stocks then and get rid of few devs so things will change. A few shares wont let you change much
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 395	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:48:00 - [25] - Quote Cardano Firesnake wrote: I want to be sure that when I try to catch someone he is playing Eve too. The problem is that there is no way to know if a cloaky ship is afk or not. Kinda like when you're caping a station and you have no way to know if the docked one is playing or is afk and you're wasting your time. If you reconsider it (if this is your real problem) you may find out that NOBODY has any tool to know what other players are doing and thinking in their real world. But of course since you have sovreignity on a system this give you rights also about what other players are doing in the real world. Hell, you're the sheriff, not like people can do as they please when in your system. But, to be honest: if I'm there behind my desktop, if I'm away for a drink or to the batroom or whatever is not your ***** business. Same as I've no way to know what the ** you're doing in your neverending staying docked in your stupid farm.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 708	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:54:00 - [26] - Quote AFK cloackers never hurt anyone. If you know it's a cyno bait, counter drop. If you know it's a solo cloak ganker, bait him, kill it, pod it !! -put it in your watch list and follow him, bait him again, kill it and pod it again, make it get sick of whatever he's doing, give him a lesson. Stop crying on forums about AFK cloakers please, if they are afk they can't harm you. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Nikk Narrel Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed. 1569	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:56:00 - [27] - Quote Azrael Dinn wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: There is no problem get over it There is a problem cause people keep complaining about it I am amazed that popular opinion, or even the flawed appearance of such, can now dictate what reality is. I will suggest that observation satellites monitor the north pole more closely, all these letters to Santa must eventually cause him to exist, using such logic. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK.
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 122	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:57:00 - [28] - Quote Cardano Firesnake wrote: Because I would let them think I am a good target. It is called baiting. and what are you baiting with? Most NON-afk cloak scouts and cynos tend to either get good at spotting bait, or develop mild paranoia. And the funny thing about paranoia...sometimes people are actually out to get you and you aren't imagining it lol. If your uber bait ship happens to be a drone boat....kind of a no crapper they aren't taking it. Its a pita to solo them not gimping your fit with a cloak. I hate drone boats in web fit gun boats, replace guns with those awesome frigate killers known as torps and for some reason that hate doesn't turn to love lol. Or is it draaaake? Take your pick, tanky as hell or a known top 10 bait ship in eve. And not even worth the aggravation of calliing in a cyno crew or carrier imo. Its a bc...they didn't fly in over 2 billion isk in ninjya ships with blop(s) to kill a damn bc. Are you and your buddies making it obvious? They see a dictor about an hour ago head to system X and leave local (a good assumption he jumped out can be made). then another combaty ship with no real pve use follows. Now here you are heading to system x in a pimp pirate ratter and apparently jumping out too. That cloaky may be betting that dictor and hell...recon like rapier is chilling on the other side of that outbound. I'd say he is betting wisely.
Nikk Narrel Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed. 1569	Posted - 2013.04.02 13:58:00 - [29] - Quote Cardano Firesnake wrote: I don't want null sec to be safe. It is already safer than Highsec. The devs noticed this too. Does anyone believe they intended it to be this way, or did they just lower the rewards after shrugging it off? Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 710	Posted - 2013.04.02 14:22:00 - [30] - Quote Nikk Narrel wrote: Cardano Firesnake wrote: I don't want null sec to be safe. It is already safer than Highsec. The devs noticed this too. If it's safer just move there and stop complaining. It's a player run content game, just play the dam game instead of playing with Barbies and Canes. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

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