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Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:24:00 -
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Q1: Will we be able to research and/or copy blueprints from our personal storages?
Q2: Can we issue contracts from/to our personal storages?
Q3: I didnt understand the reasons behind CSMA changes, could anyone explain?
Feature request: market facility. A director creates a list of trade-able goods, with prices. Any corp-mate can sell those goods to get isk from corp wallet, or can buy some. Goods are stored in a CHA tab, which is linked to the market facility. No orders are seen on a regular market, the interface looks more like a POCO. You cannot over-estimate that feature. It would make running corporate projects (including, but not limited to idustry) so much more efficient! Did you ever try to organize a mining operation with fair rewards? What about T2 or T3 production chain? Almost impossible, unless all of your corpmates are your own alts. Do it please - it's a rather simple feature that would incredibly tighten connections within corporation, solidifying community. |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:35:00 -
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Alsculard VanHellsing wrote:So far the new CHA is being universally hated by the major entities in W-space. Besides what is listed above and in countless (to me) other posts in this thread on this subject, it creates more problems than it solves. Bareface trolling and an increased potential of corporate interpersonal relation degradation will be the main result of the new CHA. (in its current form) Some anonymous entities is not a valid argument. Please explain how it leads to "bareface trolling" and degradation? |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:42:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Rand McKikas wrote:If it has to be put up as a corp item, (player item hangar ) then I think directors should have access to everything, if you don't trust your leadership you should find a different corp.... plus having to waste stuff because someone quits is just bad "Trusting your leadership" ended badly quite a few times in the past, I'll be damned before I trust anyone with anything when it comes to EVE. Happens every time people are forced into communism. More options for capitalism, please. Personal hangars as a guarantee of private property is a right decision. Also want to implement a market on my POS. |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 06:10:00 -
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Katsuo Nuruodo wrote:On a number of occasions, people in my corporation have left for months, then returned. To have to tell them, "oh, we decided to move to a different solar system two days ago, so all your stuff is gone", isn't exactly desirable. 1. You can always choose to never anchor a new PHA, only use CHA. 2. There are risks of living at a POS, and in a WH in particular. Evacuation of a base for any reasons is one of those risks. If a corpmate doesnt want to take those risks - too bad for him. EVE is a dark cold place, etc. etc. 3. You're a CEO, damn it, not a baby-sitter. If corpmates connot care for themselves and their property - should you care? If you choose to be a baby-sitter though, you have an option #1.
PS: I bet that player who lost his tengu to POS guns whould have quit anyway. |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 07:16:00 -
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Katsuo Nuruodo wrote:Sinzor Aumer wrote: 2. There are risks of living at a POS, and in a WH in particular. Evacuation of a base for any reasons is one of those risks. If a corpmate doesnt want to take those risks - too bad for him. EVE is a dark cold place, etc. etc.
I wasn't talking about evacuation due to being attacked. I was talking about moving to a wormhole system that better suits the needs of our corp members. "Any reasons" was exactly as I said. EVE is a dark cold place, let me repeat that.
"13 members" - while role system is bad, it's not that bad.
Anyway, I have a solution for your type of corporation ("go play kids, daddy is always there to bail you out"). When a corpmate returns, and finds out he've lost all his hard-earned pixels - he's upset, no doubt. But then you send a corp mail: "Let's help him all we can, cause we're one family!" Folks a glad to help, they stockpile some isk. When presented, he says with tears of tender emotion: "So nice of you guys, but I cannot accept this. Let those isk go to the corp wallet to help our friendly family to prosper even greater!" Everybody happy. And I'm not trolling, even if it may seem so. |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:06:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:put people in a position of potentially losing all their stuff if they so much as take a weekend break or fall ill for a few days That's why you dont want to store all your stuff in a personal hangar. The choice between CHA and PHA is not obvious, and as stated by Fozzie, it's intentional. |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:19:00 -
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Could we have some answers for those questions?
Sinzor Aumer wrote:Q1: Will we be able to research and/or copy blueprints from our personal storages?
Q2: Can we issue contracts from/to our personal storages?
Q3: I didnt understand the reasons behind CSMA changes, could anyone explain?
Feature request: market facility. A director creates a list of trade-able goods, with prices. Any corp-mate can sell those goods to get isk from corp wallet, or can buy some. Goods are stored in a CHA tab, which is linked to the market facility. No orders are seen on a regular market, the interface looks more like a POCO. You cannot over-estimate that feature. It would make running corporate projects (including, but not limited to idustry) so much more efficient! Did you ever try to organize a mining operation with fair rewards? What about T2 or T3 production chain? Almost impossible, unless all of your corpmates are your own alts. Do it please - it's a rather simple feature that would incredibly tighten connections within corporation, solidifying community.
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Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 13:38:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:YAY! if you allow to anchor POS anywhere i will be very very happy! :DD No, hell no! There MUST be a competition for a place to set your shop. Remember? "Location, location, location." (c) To be honest I'm so glad Fozzie took over POS revamp. He has a strong argumentation on things he does. Not just pulling something out of his nose shouting "that'd be awesome, because it rocks!" Unlike that other dev. Yes, I remember that name; no I'm not saying it aloud. |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 13:54:00 -
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DJ P0N-3 wrote:If, if a PHA does not become inaccessible when a tower is reinforced the same way a CHA does, I might feel a little more sympathetic to the "oh noes tough cookies" argument. You have a known window of time to extract your things. The reinforcement timer is not designed to let you un-anchor everything and dock up safely. It's to give you the time to assemble a fleet and strike back. Cannot win? Then you loose. And that loss actually hurts. Making thou thirst for revenge... sweeeet bloody holly revenge!!!!111oneone |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 14:14:00 -
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Tennessee Jack wrote:I get what they are doing. ... 2) It turns into a loot Pinata, (a reason to bash a POS and destroy the corporation). If you don't want the enemy to get your cool loots.. take the damn thing down. You lose all the crap... thats the sacrifice you take for putting the array up, and thats the sacrifice the people take for storing crap in that thing.
Ok.. fine. Loot Pinata Approved, more conflict approved, complete restriction and denial of internal basic item corp theft, approved. Always nice to meet another sane person ;-) Dont you think the ability of defenders to blow up all stuff kinda discourages the attacking side? And a saboteur can deal a lot of damage with a single click of a mouse - seems like a bad design, isnt it? What if a PHA remains anchored unless it's completely empty? Much better solution from any point of view, imo. Well, just imagine you log in and see a corp mail: "I accidentally our PHA, all of it. Sorry. Sincerely, 1-day noob." |
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Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 14:25:00 -
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Proddy Scun wrote:I just said storage for all of GOONSWARM at a single POS seems ridiculous especially in one cheap structure. GOONSWARM-SIZED LOOT PINATA!!! |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
116
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Posted - 2013.04.03 14:42:00 -
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Kennesaw Breach wrote:Katsuo Nuruodo wrote:And, are you saying that in order to move your POS to a different place, you'd now have to bash your own pos modules first? That would be the unfortunate side effect of the proposed personal hangar array. If there's stuff in it when you need to move, and the owners of that stuff aren't around right then, the only way to recover anything is to blow it up. Exactly. If you relocate your POS with all responsibility, you'll bash the PHA anyway. The cases you destroy a contents of PHA are: 1) You're a spy and want an easy grief on your corpmates. 2) You want to grief invaders. 3) You misclicked. No, we dont give roles to 1-day noobs, but 1000-day pro is not immune to that as well. Proof - Battle for Ansakai.
Kennesaw Breach wrote:Unless CEOs/directors can pull stuff out of people's personal hangars, I don't see us anchoring the new module at all. Alright, it's your choice. We will anchor it for sure. |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
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Posted - 2013.04.03 17:30:00 -
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DJ P0N-3 wrote:I'm thinking from a perspective of if I want to keep any personal items or subsystems to swap (because hooray subsystem swapping!), I'd like to have them available in case of emergency. It doesn't sound like this will be the case, so the PHA isn't going to improve my life there. I'm not worried about someone saving my stuff from destruction -- if I get invaded, I'm throwing everything I have at the invaders. If I have anything left when the POS goes down, the victors take the spoils. That's life. But my personal stock of items won't be available to me if I don't log in before the tower is reinforced.
People evacuate their CHAs when they come under siege not just to save their things, but to keep the use of the items inside. Anything I put in a PHA I am not only writing off in the usual "anything that goes into w-space dies" kind of way, but in the "anything that goes in here will be inaccessible in an emergency". Thus, the important things will have to stay in the CHA. This seems completely backwards to me. Sure, I'll use the PHA for some random junk I have lying around or for quick swapping of items between ships, but I think people are too fixated on "but the carebears want to save their things!" and are forgetting that the defenders need access to their things in order to defend.
Seriously, my only complaint with this is that the PHA as it stands is being introduced without any competitors in utility to make it a real choice of risk and reward. "I may not be able to get those items when I really need them" should not be a necessary tradeoff of "basic quality of POS life improvement from an organizational perspective". If the argument being put forth for making it 100% private is "well you risk that for great reward" then there should be plans in the works for something equally useful for organization with different privacy settings. The unfun way that POSes currently work should not be built into the new system as a tradeoff. Alright, that is a concern I understand and agree with. Dont really know how it can be fixed in a civilized way (without logged off orcas and such). Maybe a separate POS module ("armory"), to hold only ammo, ship modules, rigs, etc. - that would not go offline when reinforced. May come in two flavors as well: corporate and private. |

Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
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Posted - 2013.04.09 16:01:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:As usual your feedback is welcomed. Will we be able to run jobs from inside of private hangar? Like researching BPOs, etc. |
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