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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.09.08 06:36:00 -
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Aegis Militia Aliance will not wardec a one-man alt corp.
Continue to call us 'cowardly and stupid' for not doing so, that's your perrogative.
You must pay for the pleasure of our company. Your frustrated rants don't change this fact.
(Psst, nice camp in Bleak Lands, but...err....your enemies are THAT way *points south*)
As it is, AM holds wars against enemies who don't scream or cry in local when beaten. Groups with some dignity. You were once in a group that had some dignity, and at least some respect. Kr0m.
Now you are not. I think them the better for it.
If you want us dead so bad, wardec. It will cost you a bit, but you'll make that up quickly with all the dead AM battleship cans you'll collect, right?
So what are you waiting for?
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.09.08 06:50:00 -
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I think this all comes down to that the alleged nub RP:ers don't want to spend money on deccing the retard and the retard don't want to spend money on deccing the nub RP:ers, so the retard drags himself to the forums hoping to retard himself enough for the nub RP:ers to lose their temper and nubily attack. Little does the retard suspect that most of the nub RP community has grown away from grammar school mentality, and simply laugh at him.
Thus, the retard stands alone with his few subintelligent minions.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.09.08 07:56:00 -
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Hi, I;m not involved in the RP community at all, yet I can see without a doubt that Trevidian is an unsuited for it as one can get.
Trev, why don't you give up the whole RP angle and just go back to being annoying to other corporations again eh ?
I mean, whats the added value to you if you dont enjoy RPing, which you quite obviously don't ?
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2005.09.08 08:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
there is not wright or wrong way to rp
Thats not entirely true. I can appreciate that not everyone is aligned to a specific empire faction. I can also appreciate the fact that you dont have to talk in a "specific" way for it to be considered roleplay.
However! if you do decide to align yourself with a particular faction you should at least make an effort to know what they are about and act accordingly. Which apparently these guys have not done.
Instas??
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.09.08 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/09/2005 08:32:53
Are the roleplaying community mostly carebears?
Perhaps the literally dozens of corporations who have declared war on the CVA or UK over the last couple of years looking for an easy fight and gone home with their tails between their legs could provide an answer.
I believe that PIE holds the pre-Exodus record for the number of simulteneous wars - well over twenty.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.09.08 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 08/09/2005 08:35:12
Yeah its a fairly simple case this: like Meehan says neither Trevidian or AM want to pay for the 50m+ (probably 100,150m) per week war cost so both sides want to "insult" the other into paying and AM consider Trevidian is just looking for some free lunch alliance griefing jollies and won't mutual him.
I don't actually think this has anything whatsoever to do with "roleplaying" at all.
And like Herko says, getting a "roleplay war" is not purely about insulting the other side into a fight, its about actually discovering what the other side like to do and jumping on it somehow to damage their interests and thereby force a fight.
Example being.
If you want a fight from Jericho Fraction Trevidian (who are a roleplaying corp) come to Pureblind and take a contract from the G, IRON and PA and FE alliances to help them close space and spread territorial memetics.
Don't know what those are?
Doesn't matter, just come work for the territorialists and we'll be happy to shoot at you. (And I'm pretty sure you're more of a "carebear" than I am Trevidian ... leastwise thats what my Ishtar says  )
But thats a whole different ballgame to paying top dollar on empire wars for because someone insults your "roleplay" lol thats a bit of a crazy situation all round.
So best advise Trevidian is think it through a bit and realise that unlike ooc 0.0 flamefests on the corp and org you have to put a bit more research into smacking an alliance into paying the warbill. Just saying "yarr boo the empire/state/republic/senate/blood raiders/sansha devotees suck" every couple of weeks is not a free lunch ticket to somebody else paying YOUR war bill.
When Jericho (as Starfraction) wardecced the CVA for reasons we deemed appropriate the war cost us several hundred million isk because of the wardec system.
Why exactly should you get it cheaper because you're quite good at laying down forum smack geezer? 
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.09.08 09:11:00 -
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Why would the fantabulous creator of kr0m even want the attention of the RP crowd? Surely, they are too intellectual for his likings?
This has got to be the dumbest thing I've seen this week.
It's just a little bit like seeing an avid reader of Enid Blydon tackle Hunter S. Thompson for the first time and not getting it.
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Taibhse
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Posted - 2005.09.08 09:25:00 -
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First, no doubt I'd be accused of being a 'carebear' player. There are two main reasons for this. The first is practical: This is a new character, and I don't have many skills, and I don't fly a big ship with heavy weapons and therefore I would be immediately slaughtered if I attempted to engage in PvP play. The second is a conscious decision: Unless it's necessary to defend myself, I would find no particular enjoyment in destroying other players and their (possibly) hard-earned assets.
New character or not, I've been playing for some time. I've learned to recognise those who do gain pleasure from attacking other players simply because they're there. I've lost many ships to so-called 'pirates' simply because, well, it's a laff, innit, hur hur hur... And I've lost pods to those same players - podkilling surely being the most mindless activity in the game. Unless there's a bounty to gain, podding a player is nothing more than griefing.
Cue reams of excuses: "We're roleplaying, we're pirates"; "If you make sure your clones are up to date and your ship's insured you shouldn't have a problem"; "you jumped into OUR space/didn't do what we told you to do, so you deserve to die"... Et cetera ad nauseam.
There are those whose play style would, I'm sure, be of immense interest to anthropologists and psychologists - those who seem desperate to demonstrate their mighty strength at every end and turn, to beat their chests and roar. The wannabe alpha males who leave cans at jumpgates shouting "WARNING: ONE JUMP TO PODKILL!!!!"
"Look at me! Me STRONG!"
For example, the idea that a player would be so hell-bent desperate to get RP players to fight him. But they don't want to. So what does he do? He comes on a forum and whines about how no-one will fight him. Well, the fact is that some people don't feel the need to fight everyone in sight. Some people are quite happy just to do their thing. And you can call them whatever names you like, accuse them of cowardice and what-have-you - but the fact remains that some people don't enjoy PvP. Some people don't want to get involved in 'smack talk'. Some people don't want to start feeling genuine, personal dislike for other players.
Some people don't even like to interact all that much. So why play a multiplayer game? Well, in my case because it's the nearest thing I'm ever going to see to a modern Elite.
Despite what I've said, I know that fighting players and commercial players rely on each other to make the economy work. Some people enjoy PvP, and others don't. If you get your kicks from podding other players, so be it. If you prefer to wander around in quiet space mining or scavenging, then go to it. But if as a PvPer you feel the need to attack a particular category of players then don't complain if you can't get them to co-operate. You're one small part of this game, and it doesn't all have to revolve around you. If you want to fight, then gird your loins, put your money where your mouth is, and go find a corp that'll fight you. And if that corp doesn't represent the people you'd really like to be victimising, then you'll just have to decide which is more important to you: a PvP challenge or directed grief?
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Mangold
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Posted - 2005.09.08 09:47:00 -
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Reading this thread I am not surprised that you wont get a war with a RP alliance or corp.
Trevedian, please read the thread again and think about that for a while.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.09.08 09:59:00 -
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This is not an IC forum, so please stop the witty rhetorics and insults.
You can leave out discussions about killmails and kills as well, just stay on the topic.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.09.08 11:26:00 -
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drop into the ooc channel and talk to the people ooc, most wars can be 'arranged' that way. I know the U'K are hungry for more targets. However its probably not the best start to call us all carebears and then expect us to play ball.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.09.08 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bastables
Lost two arbies and an omen.
Yeah you really won big trev lad.
Looks like AM has been caught lying again...
2005.07.01 00:16:00
Victim: Bastables
Alliance: Aegis Militia
Corporation: Ubiqua Seraph
Destroyed Type: Armageddon
Solar System: Sahtogas
System Security Level: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Bishop****u
Security Status: 0.0
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Blood Raiders
Ship Type: Bhaalgorn
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Geoff W (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -1.1
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Smegheads Inc.
Ship Type: Megathron
Weapon Type: 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
Well Bastables did you forget about that intentionally? This is what I mean, it is very frustrating to pwn a group of people that want to pretend like they fought back and only care about looking good on the forums.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.09.08 12:44:00 -
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Are you reading your own thread at all? 
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
CEO - The Aeternus Crusade |
Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2005.09.08 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
This is not an IC forum, so please stop the witty rhetorics and insults.
You can leave out discussions about killmails and kills as well, just stay on the topic.
Trevedian, do you wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
Now recruiting
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.09.08 13:57:00 -
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I had heard Minmatars lack the ability to use their "higher faculties" and this just confirmed it...
I was not speaking "In-Character" in this post. I am saying that there are two kinds of people that play EVE. People that like to PVP and the other 90% that like to carebear(99.9% for roleplayers).
Before the Aegis Militia Forum Warriors hijacked this post, a very simple question was put forward initially.
I was bored I tried everything else, I tried roleplaying, I have come up with lame stories to encourage my enemies to fight and on the forums everyone talks tough.
I am just very disappointed that the Roleplay Community in this game just wants to discuss politics and not fight that is all, that is my point!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Max Flame
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Posted - 2005.09.08 13:59:00 -
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yeh it is lame ^^
now ill race ya to -10 trev
I like to kill people
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.09.08 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/09/2005 14:01:17
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/09/2005 13:59:59
Originally by: Trevedian
I have come up with lame stories to encourage my enemies to fight
That's your problem - your stories are lame.
Give people a reason to fight you, and I'm sure they will. If it's AM that you want to fight, why did you create a pro-Khanid corporation? One of their member corps is also Khanid, and so unlikely to want to commit fractricide
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Entarel Helfir
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Posted - 2005.09.08 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
I am just very disappointed that the Roleplay Community in this game just wants to discuss politics and not fight that is all, that is my point![/b]
Well, in case you didn't know, that is actually what it is all about. RP is not an easy excuse to do some fast PvP. If you want that, go to 0.0 .
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2005.09.08 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
I was bored I tried everything else, I tried roleplaying, I have come up with lame stories to encourage my enemies to fight and on the forums everyone talks tough.
Thats just it, you show no respect for what we do and yet you expect the roleplay coumminity to take you seriously and give you a good fight. This is what a half arsed effort gets you.
Now recruiting
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.09.08 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Entarel Helfir
Well, in case you didn't know, that is actually what it is all about. RP is not an easy excuse to do some fast PvP. If you want that, go to 0.0 .
No point in formulating the same thing in another way, so if you excuse me I'll just quote and second that ;)
I could have agreed that pure bragging on forums while pure carebearing in-game gets sometimes upsetting, but... that's obviously not even the point here.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.09.08 14:48:00 -
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This is pretty weak.
"I put on Spock ears, I'm an RPer now so you should let me kill you for free."
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Tsual
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Posted - 2005.09.08 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 08/09/2005 15:38:02
Trevedian read through some FAQ about roleplaying for example that (a bit into direction of hardcore RPing): http://www.jgrp.net/c_teel_faq.php
(Was for another game (space simulation) that even had no real Avatar design.)
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Nova Ivanova
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Posted - 2005.09.08 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Ivanova on 08/09/2005 15:30:48
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
This is pretty weak.
"I put on Spock ears, I'm an RPer now so you should let me kill you for free."
You misunderstand, Khanid Legion has declared war on other RP corps... But none of these RP corps will fight in-game!
They just want to talk but not fight... They make numerous posts about how we are their enemies, but when the war dec comes they admit openly that they don't really want to fight and will scatter and hide. Don't you think thats frustrating?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.09.08 15:48:00 -
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Oh, so you did declare. Then, that's weak on their part too, I suppose. Try the CVA, they have RP wars all the time and they fight pretty hard. I think they have some kind of 'no podding' rule though.
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Tsual
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Posted - 2005.09.08 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 08/09/2005 15:50:48
Originally by: Nova Ivanova
Edited by: Nova Ivanova on 08/09/2005 15:30:48
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
This is pretty weak.
"I put on Spock ears, I'm an RPer now so you should let me kill you for free."
You misunderstand, Khanid Legion has declared war on other RP corps... But none of these RP corps will fight in-game!
They just want to talk but not fight... They make numerous posts about how we are their enemies, but when the war dec comes they admit openly that they don't really want to fight and will scatter and hide. Don't you think thats frustrating?
Nope we understand you pretty well, we're just currently all at the swiming pool for a cool drink and some carebearish discussion about stuffed animals.
[Edit:] not all are like those, though moral in RP comunity can be low at some times especially when isk problems arrive.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.09.08 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/09/2005 15:51:51
Tbh, I'd just ignore you too if i'd been RP'Ýng
Where's the fun in fighting people like you ? RP pvp corps dont fight for the sake of fighting. It's not only the kills that give them their enjoyment, it's the whole scenery, background, politics and roleplay stuff around it that gives them a reason to enjoy their kills.
I could very well imagine them having no respect at all for people that are only in it for the mindless killing, and thus would have no wish to fight you at all.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.09.08 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Ivanova
Edited by: Nova Ivanova on 08/09/2005 15:30:48
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
This is pretty weak.
"I put on Spock ears, I'm an RPer now so you should let me kill you for free."
You misunderstand, Khanid Legion has declared war on other RP corps... But none of these RP corps will fight in-game!
They just want to talk but not fight... They make numerous posts about how we are their enemies, but when the war dec comes they admit openly that they don't really want to fight and will scatter and hide. Don't you think thats frustrating?
You also realize that it is also some groups RP to do just that right? Numerically inferior RP groups tend to 'run and hide' a lot and force all engagements to occur on their terms. We had the same problem with the blood raider groups. It takes some intelligence and knowledge of the RP (which you clearly lack) to figure out how to adapt to your enemy's tactics. Carebear RPers are actually some of the fiercest fighters around, but it's on their own terms. 0.0 wars and empire RP wars are extremely different in how they have to be conducted. It's a lot harder to carry on an empire RP war. You're bound by RP rules of your faction or you throw out your RP credibility. You're obviously looking for the 0.0 type of war and it's simply not possible in empire RP. The closest thing you could get would be to bother CVA in providence.
Barring that, I see no reason for any RP group to fight you, since all wars that any RP group declares have to fit their RP. The cause you've taken up simply doesn't warrant a war from any other RP group. All your smacktalk and goading just detracts from your RP credibility (which you didn't have to begin with) making it all that much less likely that any RP group will declare on you.
Hope this helps.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.09.08 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 08/09/2005 15:51:51
Tbh, I'd just ignore you too if i'd been RP'Ýng
Don't be silly, RP-ers are unable to ignore things 
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.09.08 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Where's the fun in fighting people like you ? RP pvp corps dont fight for the sake of fighting. It's not only the kills that give them their enjoyment, it's the whole scenery, background, politics and roleplay stuff around it that gives them a reason to enjoy their kills.
That is it exactly.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Entarel Helfir
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Posted - 2005.09.08 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Don't be silly, RP-ers are unable to ignore things
True 
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