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Denevah
SOLUS EVOLUTION CORP
Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:22:00 -
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I wish I hadn't subbed, the skill point system seemed cool until I realized how long it would take to fly what people want, I don't feel like "tackling", seriously? I'm supposed to want to log in- to fly towards people to keep them from warping off while older characters kill them? If you can't kick peoples asses, its not a real game. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
800
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:26:00 -
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No refund for you!
I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner.
Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall
I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
Garreth Vlox
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:29:00 -
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LOL, no you can't have one, now GTFO.
The LULZ Boat. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7274
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:29:00 -
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You should be more happy that you can actually do things that matter in a fight almost immediately after starting out, and aren't forced to run around the woods killing boars over and over for weeks to reach level 90 just because you feel like being a paladin instead of a priest.
~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1404
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:29:00 -
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May I perhaps suggest the Character Bazaar for those who are impatient-inclined and attention-deficit challenged.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
iskflakes
383
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:32:00 -
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You can buy PLEX to purchase a ready-skilled character if you want.
CCP's general trend is towards the removal of more powerful ships in order to give new players like you a chance. One day there won't be any ships left for us veterans to fly because the ships we liked couldn't be killed by a rifter, or were able to very occasionally blap a ship worth 1/100000th their value because its pilot made numers compounding pilot errors (and that's obviously unabalnced, it should be impossible for one player to win just because the other guy had no idea what he was doing).
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
967
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:36:00 -
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dps is perhaps the less interesting role in fleet, with initial tackle actually more engaging, swooshing around in a frigate
an ewar role should only be a few weeks off, that's some fun too |
Frederick Nibbs
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:42:00 -
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I can understand why you feel that way, but why not go and do something else rather than being part of a group that wants you to tackle only if it's a problem?
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
504
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:You should be more happy that you can actually do things that matter in a fight almost immediately after starting out, and aren't forced to run around the woods killing boars over and over for weeks to reach level 90 just because you feel like being a paladin instead of a priest.
Unless you play in a MMO PvP game with a tiered system. Or one that makes everyone the same level in PvP. Which covers about all of them.
But otherwise you make sense.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
482
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:00:00 -
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The purpose of the long skill time is to encourage the player to learn about the game, its mechanics, its players, and what they are actually flying. nothing guarantees losing a new player more than them running out of the starting gate in what they naively thnk is a "1337 pvp ship" because it can blitz lvl 2's, only to get that one and only shp they own (selling eveything else because "bigger is better, right?") blown up.
after only a coupl months you get used to it and can start roling in specialist rolls wth even th larger groups. the skil system is designed to PROTECT newer players, by not only preventin older players from attaining an infinite advanage, but to also prevent the new player from entering into a position they shouldnt be in prematurely.
give eve a try, if you make it through te irst 6 months, youll never leave(barring extreme intervening circumstances). |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7276
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:00:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:You can buy PLEX to purchase a ready-skilled character if you want.
CCP's general trend is towards the removal of more powerful ships in order to give new players like you a chance. One day there won't be any ships left for us veterans to fly because the ships we liked couldn't be killed by a rifter, or were able to very occasionally blap a ship worth 1/100000th their value because its pilot made numerous compounding pilot errors (and that's obviously unbalanced, it should be impossible for one player to win just because the other guy had no idea what he was doing).
tl;dr: "abloobloobloo titan gun nerf"
~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7276
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:02:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:dps is perhaps the less interesting role in fleet, with initial tackle actually more engaging, swooshing around in a frigate
an ewar role should only be a few weeks off, that's some fun too
also yeah you'll find lots of older dudes still flying about tackling things in interceptors
believe it or not flying "DPS" in fleets these days is "orbit anchor, lock primary, press F1" which isn't really that engaging
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1279
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:03:00 -
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Call of Duty is dattaway ---->
Live Events are neither. |
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:12:00 -
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<------ Biomass and Hello Kittyland that way
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Kristoffon Ellecon
Kris' Karebear Killing Korp
55
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Posted - 2013.04.03 02:19:00 -
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Your problem there is that you joined a no-pilot-skill-required blobbing alliance. People seem to have a good time in faction warfare, or in Brave Newbies. Look them up.
Psychotic Monk for CSM |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:22:00 -
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Andski wrote:You should be more happy that you can actually do things that matter in a fight almost immediately after starting out, and aren't forced to run around the woods killing boars over and over for weeks to reach level 90 just because you feel like being a paladin instead of a priest.
And at level 90 you get to go get your ass handed to you by immeasurably stronger opponents. While farming points for weeks and weeks in battles decided by which side has more afk bot point farmers and/or people like yourself. Just to spend on sub-standard gear that will make you at least not die instantly and let you start grinding more points for some better stuff. But by the time you get there and start collecting the better gear, there will be another content patch with even better gear making yours trash tier again.
Getting to the level cap on a single class in your average MMO these days, is roughly equivalent to flying a single race's T1 Battlecruiser/Battleship in EvE with relevant skills to level 4. |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:50:00 -
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Denevah wrote:until I realized how long it would take to fly what people want
I'm really curious what exactly people "want" you to fly. You'll do about 60% of the dps but can get into a lot of reasonable stuff with skills at lvl 4 within 2 months. It will get up over 80% over the next month or two as you get your skills up if damage is what you want. You just won't have tank to speak of, because even if you had the tank skills up you will use the slots for fitting mods, at least at first.
Are you looking to fly a Machariel with T2 everything and all relevant skills at 5 or something? Or is 2-4 months too steep a level/learning curve for your taste in a new game? |
Haulie Berry
317
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Posted - 2013.04.03 04:02:00 -
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Denevah wrote:I wish I hadn't subbed, the skill point system seemed cool until I realized how long it would take to fly what people want
Er... how long it would take to fly what... people want?
What is it that "people" want you to fly?
What do you want to fly?
100M SPs and I can fly anything sub-capital. I've probably spent more time in T1 cruisers than anything else. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1545
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Posted - 2013.04.03 04:16:00 -
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Denevah wrote:I wish I hadn't subbed, the skill point system seemed cool until I realized how long it would take to fly what people want, I don't feel like "tackling", seriously? I'm supposed to want to log in- to fly towards people to keep them from warping off while older characters kill them? If you can't kick peoples asses, its not a real game.
And yet thousands of us kick assess all the time (i say this as a semi-retired asskicker lol).
The difference between us and you is that we understood the game we play is NOT about instant gratification and we put in the TIME to not only learn how to play, but let our skill points build up to where we wanted them to.
No, sorry, you don't get to skip in front of the line. Stay in your lane and bide your time, or leave. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1500
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Posted - 2013.04.03 04:19:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:dps is perhaps the less interesting role in fleet, with initial tackle actually more engaging, swooshing around in a frigate
an ewar role should only be a few weeks off, that's some fun too
Going to go ahead and agree with this post. Fleet/Gang DPS is really boring, and you'll find a lot of veteran players prefer tackle platforms (I love my Stilleto).
Not to mention a two day old newbie in a rifter will beat the seven hells out of a five year vet in a stealth bomber. This game is far more complex than you have given thought to. |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1450
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Posted - 2013.04.03 04:35:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?? 
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:09:00 -
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Tackle is where you cut your teeth.
Skip it at your peril. Learn the way of the interceptor. |
Spurty
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
839
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:42:00 -
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Came here looking for directions, found them.
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GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥
GÇò Philip K. **** |
Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon
The Marmite Collective
504
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:44:00 -
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Behold, the new face of Intrepid Crossing. |
Ghazu
552
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Posted - 2013.04.03 06:15:00 -
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lol intrepid crossing
http://www.minerbumping.com/
lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1105
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Posted - 2013.04.03 06:36:00 -
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Denevah wrote:I wish I hadn't subbed, the skill point system seemed cool until I realized how long it would take to fly what people want, I don't feel like "tackling", seriously? I'm supposed to want to log in- to fly towards people to keep them from warping off while older characters kill them? If you can't kick peoples asses, its not a real game.
I think the skill queue is one of Eve's best features.
One can plan ahead and look forward to be able to do something new periodically.
The main thing is to utilise and have fun with however few skill points you have.
Like many folk starting Eve , my main aim was to be able to fly a Battleship (Navy Issue Dominix ) well, but I had a great time doing other things in the year or so it takes to get enough skills to fly a BS well.
In short, it is not how many skill points you have, but how much your imagination enables you to get from them.
This is not a signature. |
Tub Chil
Last Men Standing
43
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Posted - 2013.04.03 07:35:00 -
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1) play the game
2) say you don't like it
3) get money back
4)????
5) profit!
I want that too. |
Derdrom Utida
Brave Newbies Inc.
28
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Posted - 2013.04.03 08:02:00 -
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There are other games for you to play.
Not every game has to be the same. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
218
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Posted - 2013.04.03 08:15:00 -
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WOOT first 0/10 for a troll
if on the very slim off chance that the OP isn't trolling, GTFO and find a shallower game to play, people have already pointed you to more suitable alternatives.
You've obviously got the attention span of a gnat, and the longevity of a can of red-bull at an overnight LAN party.
Do you think we were all born gifted to be able to fly battleships? being able to use multiple manufacturing & research slots? being able to lob projectiles 100+km?
I, like many others, started with 5,000 skillpoints, no such things as re-maps, skill queue, and no tutorials that handed you bucketfuls of isk and skillbooks, just a basic one.
What do you want? a few million skillpoints to spend as soon as you get onto the server, "Waah, I've spended my skillpoints in the wrong place, CCP can I haz them back pleeze?"
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Emu Meo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
98
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Posted - 2013.04.03 09:23:00 -
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I'm noticing a trend of seriously ret@rded comments from self entitled wow bears today. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8428
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Posted - 2013.04.03 09:26:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:You can buy PLEX to purchase a ready-skilled character if you want.
CCP's general trend is towards the removal of more powerful ships in order to give new players like you a chance. One day there won't be any ships left for us veterans to fly because the ships we liked couldn't be killed by a rifter, or were able to very occasionally blap a ship worth 1/100000th their value because its pilot made numerous compounding pilot errors (and that's obviously unbalanced, it should be impossible for one player to win just because the other guy had no idea what he was doing).
CCP have never removed a ship. Stop bawwing because your PUSH BUTAN AoE doomsday is gone.
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Tara Read
The Bastards
Shadow Cartel
291
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Posted - 2013.04.03 09:37:00 -
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Denevah wrote: If you can't kick peoples asses, its not a real game.
You underestimate the backbone of ass kicking, A T1 suicide Catalyst.  |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2378
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Posted - 2013.04.03 09:39:00 -
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Denevah wrote:I wish I hadn't subbed, the skill point system seemed cool until I realized how long it would take to fly what people want, I don't feel like "tackling", seriously? I'm supposed to want to log in- to fly towards people to keep them from warping off while older characters kill them? If you can't kick peoples asses, its not a real game.
I actually agree with you on that....
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Dave Stark
2347
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Posted - 2013.04.03 09:44:00 -
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and now, show me another game where on your first day you'll be able to kick the asses of nearly decade long veterans who know the game inside out and their understanding of game mechanics alone will have you scurrying off home with your tail between your legs.
please, i'm intrigued to see this game.
you waste time reading this? |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2013.04.03 10:33:00 -
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Emu Meo wrote:I'm noticing a trend of seriously ret@rded comments from self entitled wow bears today.
Imagine what people really think -- it'll bust your cherry...
A Non-Fanboi Look at EvE
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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March rabbit
No Name No Pain
611
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Posted - 2013.04.03 10:40:00 -
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Denevah wrote:I wish I hadn't subbed, the skill point system seemed cool until I realized how long it would take to fly what people want, I don't feel like "tackling", seriously? I'm supposed to want to log in- to fly towards people to keep them from warping off while older characters kill them? If you can't kick peoples asses, its not a real game.
i found myself loving this role.
Take a look from other side: without you (tackler) your gang won't have any kills. You are the first person in any kill your gang got. Not the biggest damage nor the final blow. But first attack!
+ you don't lose much if you fail |
Cpt Arareb
DisturbedGamers.
Tribal Band
42
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:08:00 -
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Andski wrote:You should be more happy that you can actually do things that matter in a fight almost immediately after starting out, and aren't forced to run around the woods killing boars over and over for weeks to reach level 90 just because you feel like being a paladin instead of a priest.
+1
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Degren
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2369
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:12:00 -
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You don't find tackle fun to fly?
You're not gonna find much else fun to fly, really. Not in a fleet, anyways.
Maybe logistics...that's a long train.
OH WAIT
They just added logistics frigs/t1 cruisers that are actually pretty ******* good.
Give that a shot before rage posting on the GD forums.
Hello, hello again. |
Emu Meo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
98
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:31:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Denevah wrote:I wish I hadn't subbed, the skill point system seemed cool until I realized how long it would take to fly what people want, I don't feel like "tackling", seriously? I'm supposed to want to log in- to fly towards people to keep them from warping off while older characters kill them? If you can't kick peoples asses, its not a real game. I actually agree with you on that....
Yeah, we should all get to be super level 80 mages from the beginning that can kill on monsters in one hit! I mean spaceships. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:35:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Getting to the level cap on a single class in your average MMO these days, is roughly equivalent to flying a single race's T1 Battlecruiser/Battleship in EvE with relevant skills to level 4.
Yet unlike EvE, that player can actually catch up.
EvE you'll never catch up if you didn't start on day one.
Why that's important? A skills based game = higher skills = more powerful player.
You'll also will face this...
Quote:
Comment from tobad
Time: February 26, 2011, 6:41 pm
The MAIN point of EVE is to :
1) Greaf New players until they quit.
2) Be as big of a jerk as possible on the chat
3) BUY ISK
4) suicide attack people.
5) Make the game as boring as possible.
6) More gr.
7) Still more gr.
8) Make a corp for newbs so you can drag them into unwanted wars
9) more gr.
10) more gr.
11) more gr.
12) moreGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪ..
13) Money and time are more important than knowledge or skill
14) even more Gr.
15) SPAM
16) canGÇÖt leave corp for 24 hrGÇÖs so you CANGÇÖT PLAY AT ALL because if you undock 1273098473208 people will attack you.
17) Harassment is acceptable behavior.
18) Did I mention Greafers?
Eve is great if your a small person with no life and excess $$$ if you want to have FUN go somewhere else.
My purples maybe worthless in 6 months, but a new patch/expansion everyone starts off at square one again.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8430
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:36:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Emu Meo wrote:I'm noticing a trend of seriously ret@rded comments from self entitled wow bears today. Imagine what people really think -- it'll bust your cherry... A Non-Fanboi Look at EvEQuote:
Nisktonhen is a perfect example of what the OP says when he means elitist players in EvE, and just about every comment he makes just make the rest of EvE players look bad. People like this guy make EvE ******.
GÇ£EVE on the other hand is a sandbox, you can do anything you want at any time anywhere.GÇ¥
- Whenever someone says you can do GÇ£anything you want at any time anywhereGÇ¥ in a video game, you know theyGÇÖre so full of **** itGÇÖs coming out of their mouth.
GÇ£EVE is the big boysGÇÖ playground; it resembles the real world.GÇ¥ / GÇ£EVE is alive and despite its SciFi image resembles real life quite well.GÇ¥
- This is another common GÇ£EvE elitistGÇ¥ quote on why EvE is so great. EvE doesnGÇÖt resemble real life, itGÇÖs just complicated like real life is. If griefers and flat-out murderers (you can kill a personGÇÖs pod in EvE, effectively killing their character) were given the same punishments as griefers and murderers in the real world, EvE would actually be a much better place and weed out all of the assholes like this guy. How about we ban charactersGÇÖ accounts for life for murdering another character? Or would that then be too real world for you? Simply put, EvE is great for griefers and scammers because theyGÇÖre unregulated, EXACTLY UNLIKE the real world.
GÇ£EVE is a game where one player can make all the difference IF they work hardGÇ¥
- IGÇÖd like to see one example of one player, all by them self, GÇ£making all the differenceGÇ¥ in EvE. EvE is 100% a team game. I donGÇÖt think people are aware of just how important it is to join a corp and make friends.
GÇ£one player that works hard can supply a region with items that would otherwise not be availableGÇ¥
- Not really. Again, itGÇÖs very, very rare for one player by them self to be able to do anything significant in EvE.
TL;DR
If youGÇÖre the kind of person that canGÇÖt take the time to read this post, EvE is probably not for you.
lololol True!
In "real life", murderers and scammers aren't magically transported to prison for life by magical invisible omnipotent justice pixies. Actual real people have to do actual real work, and quite often they don't succeed and quite often they get the wrong guy and quite often they're just paid off to look the other way and sometimes the scammers and murderers get Nobel Peace Prizes and massive government bailouts.
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
80
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:40:00 -
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There has been some constructive suggestions so far.
However.
Quote:18.-áNew player bashing will not be tolerated.New members of the EVE Online community are encouraged to use, but are not restricted to the EVE New Citizens Q&A forum. This forum is specifically designed to provide a platform for those who are new to the EVE community to ask questions and learn more about EVE. More experienced forum users are encouraged to participate by assisting new players with helpful and courteous responses. All flaming, trolling and posts of a derogatory nature will be deleted, and will be considered a severe breach of the forum rules.
This thread has been locked.
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Ensign
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