AFK cloakers are disliked and whined about because they disrupt bots and introduce a tiny sliver of risk that filthy nullbears are unwilling to deal with (why are they in nullsec to begin with?)

Cause they want to be in different parts of the universe just like you and it's fun to bear somewhere else than empire also.

But I still dislike afk-cloakers or active-cloakers cause theres no way to find them and I know alot of people who hates cloaks for that same reason also.

A way to provide security from cloaked ships is not that hard. When I was in null there used to be a corp that would bait the afk cloakers into attacking. When they do decloak they would be jumped by a few combat ships waiting in system. That is how providing protection from the unseen with a combat wing works. Covert ops ships do not have very good tanks.

People go AFK cloaked because they are forced to by the local player list. Local makes you visible and lets other players know you are in system. So the obvious move is to wait for a target willing to risk their ship to PvE in the system your in.

A few reasons AFK cloaking and cloaking in general is disliked.

1. Its bad for bots. If players were not listed in local bots would have a real hard time with cloaked ships jumping in. Even if CCP added a much needed 30 or 60 second auto d-scan button. Bots would go down all over new eden.

2. Its bad for your hardcore bear. He can no longer feel safe like he lives in some sort of new eden nullsec suburbia.

3. Its bad for capitals and haulers. Cloaked sabres and other various methods can be used to take down bigger targets.

This is all a part of the game. These are the dangers you risk for a higher isk payout. Same things with jumping capitals or transporting goods. The true problem is not cloaking at all. The real problem here is the psychological effect of having every single person listed in local chat that is in system. In nullsec there are great sites you can run yourself and the risk of attack will always be there. That was the way eve was intended to be... the lower the security number the more scary and dangerous it is with a greater reward.

It is poor game design, breaking the rock,paper,scissors plan.

and this psychological warfare of bluff makes whiners more engaged and affected...

you want eve to be realistic? well, real life threat/risk/reward/glory mixing in a tub of existence you call your account character in-game has never been better here than in other mmorpgs :) reason why i love this game... Coz it teaches me not to expect that I would always win...that I have to adapt to survive and progress :)

I've always been against nerfing cloaks as I've spent time in WHs and they're pretty necessary for that stuff.

Then recently I did a load of nullsec bearing and had a red cloaky all up in the system I was in and I was like "Noooo! now I understand what all those whiners were whining about in their anti-cloaking threads on the forum!!!"...

...For about the 3 seconds it took me to work out how to get around it as a nullbear. Move one system away.

Yes, it really is that easy. If there is an AFK cloaky in your system and you don't like it, move one system away and the problem disappears. Or the cloaky follows you and you then know they're not AFK and you and your corp mates can set up a trap for the unfortunate chap.

Null isn't meant to be safe. It's all about making it as safe as you can with current game mechanics.

EDIT: - corebloodbrothers for CSM!

Yet, if you simply remove the ability to fit a Cyno on a Cloaking ship, the Risk Vs. Reward ratio becomes manageable.

Your cloaking hunters can hang out afk for a year, and the bears take their chances or don't as they choose, without risking the ire of an entire alliance by undocking with someone not blue in system that cannot be affected in any way even by the efforts of an entire alliance to counter him. If they are too scared to risk a single ship, then they deserve to go broke. It isnt reasonable to expect a single ship to somehow tolerate and operate under the threat of an entire alliances guns with no way to counter but to keep an entire alliances's worth of combat wing on call 100% of the time.

Instead allow Cynos on ships that are fast, warp stabilized, and capable of actively evading hunters but not immune to everything while AFK in enemy territory. The combination of a cloak and cyno is just OP. The rest of what a cloak ship can do is fine, but projecting the threat of entire alliances while maintaining 100% inititative is just too much.

And if I go on the attack, I want to know I actually have a chance to make more effort and succeed. Not the clicking of warp buttons by all PvE pilots while I finish loading into a system.

Where is the competition when everyone is given the right answer automatically?

So your objective is to be able to catch people in PvE shups which you are unable to do now? I have seen so many people get caught in 0.0 regardless of what you define as perfect intel. I have read your posts, but at the end of the day, you need to HTFU and do what FA and the CFC did when catching IRC ratters, they got loads of kills!

Cloaking as it exists is almost fine. The afking is the exploit. If an industrialist afk mines... he is accepting isk... afk explorer some thing, afk piloting (aka Otto Pilot) same thing... AFK cloaking... ZERO ISK.

You had some typos, I fixed em for ya.

I said what I meant Nikk...

AFKing should be risky no matter the activity... If you have something substantive to add feel free

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