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Gentle Josie 287 Marine Regiment 0	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:43:00 - [1] - Quote Is the Rhea a good choice, or is there a significant reason to go for another racial JF? ____________________ My main is currently around 30 days away from flying a Jump Freighter. He has all the support and navigation skills and is currently training Advanced Spaceship Command IV. The only big(ish) things left to train are racial Industrial Ships IV-V (around 15 days) and racial Freighters I-IV (around 7 days). The plan was to go for the Caldari Rhea, mainly because I already have a low skill Charon alt who possesses both a Charon and a Crane. She has provided sterling service to date, but will probably be sold when my main can fly freighters and those ships will pass to him. So in summary it would be convenient and save a little isk if I went Caldari. However, it has suddenly occurred to me that I'm not committed yet (skill wise) and I really ought to ask this question.
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 2031	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:53:00 - [2] - Quote First...how are your jump skills and the jumpfreighter skill...just minimum isnt enough for a capital. About the choise.. Each race has: Different cargohold size. Different type of fuel need. Different amount of fuel they use (the bigger the cargo the more fuel they use / lightyear) Also only go for one if you need it (so if you live in low or null) Typical CCP. Giving away new clothes but don't have the forums ready to show them. I feel naked.
Merouk Baas 608	Posted - 2013.04.03 16:14:00 - [3] - Quote For regular freighters, people train the freighter that has: - maximum cargo size, or - best align time (lowest mass) and best speed, - prettiest - whatever industrial skill they already have trained to 5 - whatever their corp or alliance is providing They're bulky ships, so align time and speed matter more than you'd suspect otherwise. For Jump Freighters, you usually train the same race as the Freighter that you already have.
Gentle Josie 287 Marine Regiment 0	Posted - 2013.04.03 16:48:00 - [4] - Quote J'Poll wrote: First...how are your jump skills and the jumpfreighter skill...just minimum isnt enough for a capital. About the choise.. Each race has: Different cargohold size. Different type of fuel need. Different amount of fuel they use (the bigger the cargo the more fuel they use / lightyear) Also only go for one if you need it (so if you live in low or null) Jump Drive Operation = V Jump Drive Calibration = V Jump Fuel Conservation = IV Jump Freighter - untrained Skill plan: Advanced Spaceship Command IV (1 day remaining) Racial Industrial V (15 days) Racial Freighter IV (7 days) Jump Freighter I (couple of hours) - at this point I can fly it ______________________________ Jump Freighter II-IV (10 days) I have two accounts, my other Main is in FW and this JF is specifically to support him and my FW Alliance in low sec. I've checked the dotlan jump planner and they will all be one jump trips either from high sec direct to my low sec home or the undock of my lowsec home to the docking ring of the last low sec system and then an align, warp and jump to high sec. All using a neutral character that is not war decced. I initially choose the Charon based on Cargohold size and I am familiar with it's speed and align time, plus the web trick. Are you sure about the amount of fuel used based on cargosize? The dotlan jump planner shows all JFs using the exact same amount of fuel for the same jumps, albeit different types of fuel. I just wanted to know are there any glaring holes in my plan before I commit to the Caldari JF. I have all racial industrial skills trained to at least I and it really is no issue to change to one or the other if there is a good reason to.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1671	Posted - 2013.04.03 17:57:00 - [5] - Quote Rhea is fine, in my opinion. I've owned as many as 4 Rheas at a time (currently none), and I currently own 6 Charons. You don't want to AFK in any JF, so there are few important differences: * The Rhea has the largest cargohold. * The Rhea is the least fuel efficient. * There hasn't been a Nitrogen Isotopes interdiction... yet. Generally when making the decision, people focus more on the freighter and other ships that racial Industrial 5 makes available. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2207019#post2207019 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=368076#post368076
Gentle Josie 287 Marine Regiment 0	Posted - 2013.04.03 19:25:00 - [6] - Quote Thankyou
Ovv Topik Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.04.03 21:40:00 - [7] - Quote Bear in mind the freighter skills are also changing June 4th. Looks like you're well inside the change, but be careful you don't go day over or something, and have to retrain stuff. Innominate Nightmare, :"Your Mother is an exotic dancer, and your Sister works in a Quafe factory!GÇ¥
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 2034	Posted - 2013.04.03 21:54:00 - [8] - Quote Ovv Topik wrote: Bear in mind the freighter skills are also changing June 4th. Looks like you're well inside the change, but be careful you don't go day over or something, and have to retrain stuff. Proof of that. As all I have seen from official CCP statements is that it is only involving dessy and BC skills. Although I wouldnt be surprised if in the future they will change the jumpfreighter skill too. At least I think you mean JF skill as the freighter skills are already split by race. Typical CCP. Giving away new clothes but don't have the forums ready to show them. I feel naked.
Ovv Topik Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 373	Posted - 2013.04.03 22:06:00 - [9] - Quote It's on the Dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ Near the bottom. Innominate Nightmare, :"Your Mother is an exotic dancer, and your Sister works in a Quafe factory!GÇ¥
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 2034	Posted - 2013.04.03 22:53:00 - [10] - Quote Ovv Topik wrote: It's on the Dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ Near the bottom. Ooh that way...They are changing the pre-reqs for the freighter skills. More free SP for at least one of my characters...as Fly it before the patch means I fly it after the patch...so my freighter character will likely get Adv. Spaceship Command to 5 for free. Typical CCP. Giving away new clothes but don't have the forums ready to show them. I feel naked.
Gentle Josie 287 Marine Regiment 0	Posted - 2013.04.03 23:26:00 - [11] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Ovv Topik wrote: It's on the Dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ Near the bottom. Ooh that way...They are changing the pre-reqs for the freighter skills. More free SP for at least one of my characters...as Fly it before the patch means I fly it after the patch...so my freighter character will likely get Adv. Spaceship Command to 5 for free. No you are not getting Adv Spaceship Command V for free, it is a prereq, not a main req. So if you already have the freighter main skill you will continue to be able to fly the freighter, but you won't be able to train any additional levels until you go back and fill in the missing pre-req
Elena Thiesant Sun Micro Systems 259	Posted - 2013.04.04 10:13:00 - [12] - Quote J'Poll wrote: More free SP for at least one of my characters...as Fly it before the patch means I fly it after the patch...so my freighter character will likely get Adv. Spaceship Command to 5 for free. No free skills are being given out (other than the racial BC and racial destroyer) Advanced spaceship command is a pre-req for the skill, not the ship. If you can fly the ship it means you already have the freighter skill and hence will still be able to fly the ship (and train the freighter skill further, devs confirmed that in the comments of the dev blog) All that the change means is that you won't be able to inject another racial freighter skill without first training Advanced spaceship command to 5.
RubyPorto Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3124	Posted - 2013.04.04 10:30:00 - [13] - Quote Gentle Josie wrote: No you are not getting Adv Spaceship Command V for free, it is a prereq, not a main req. So if you already have the freighter main skill you will continue to be able to fly the freighter, but you won't be able to train any additional levels until you go back and fill in the missing pre-req They're actually changing that as well. You will be able to train skills whose pre-reqs you no longer meet. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Velicitia Nex Exercitus 1334	Posted - 2013.04.04 10:43:00 - [14] - Quote Gentle Josie wrote: J'Poll wrote: Ovv Topik wrote: It's on the Dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-great-skill-change-of-blessed-2013/ Near the bottom. Ooh that way...They are changing the pre-reqs for the freighter skills. More free SP for at least one of my characters...as Fly it before the patch means I fly it after the patch...so my freighter character will likely get Adv. Spaceship Command to 5 for free. No you are not getting Adv Spaceship Command V for free, it is a prereq, not a main req. So if you already have the freighter main skill you will continue to be able to fly the freighter, but you won't be able to train any additional levels until you go back and fill in the missing pre-req I think the "train more levels" bit is false as well. Prereq skills are (IIRC) only checked when you're trying to inject the skill, and once it's successfully injected you're good to go (same as once a POS is anchored, your faction standings can go negative and you're still good). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8
Doctor Ape MD Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:59:00 - [15] - Quote The correct answer to the OP is to fly an Ark, if only because it's one of the best darn looking ships in the game.
Gentle Josie 287 Marine Regiment 0	Posted - 2013.04.04 13:00:00 - [16] - Quote Thankyou all for your help and the additional information. I have decided to stick with my plan and have now purchased the Rhea and the relevant skill books. In terms of looks, I do love the Ark and hearing that it is cheaper to run made me look again at that. Having reread correctly the information from Dotlan, the jumps I'm going to be making will cost me around 2.8M Isk per jump with the Rhea at current prices, while with the Ark it would be 2.3M. However against this is the fact that I was able to buy a Rhea for 6.53B while an Ark is currently around a Billion isk more expensive. I estimate that it would take around 8 years to recoup that extra investment, assuming I never lose the ship and make 2 jumps (each way) per week. Without considering that a lot of the fuel costs will be paid for by my customers. In terms of skills pre and post patch, yes my skill plan will be complete well before the 4th June. However, Advanced Spaceship Command V is going to be an early additional skill I intend to train and as I don't have Caldari Industrial IV or V yet (which is dropping to III as a prereq for racial freighters), it wouldn't have taken much longer. It would have been better for me, if it wasn't for the fact that I also want to be able to fly Transport ships too - assuming they still need the racial Industrial skill at V. So really it would have only affected the order I did the training. TBH I really like the skill changes, because it does mean that if I come to regret picking the Rhea, it will only be an 8 day cross train to one of the other racial Freighters at level IV once the racial Industrial prereq drops to III. Yes I was incorrect (or out of date) about the training additional levels once the prereq have changed. I have corrected my post accordingly.
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 2037	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:52:00 - [17] - Quote Gentle Josie wrote: Thankyou all for your help and the additional information. I have decided to stick with my plan and have now purchased the Rhea and the relevant skill books. In terms of looks, I do love the Ark and hearing that it is cheaper to run made me look again at that. Having reread correctly the information from Dotlan, the jumps I'm going to be making will cost me around 2.8M Isk per jump with the Rhea at current prices, while with the Ark it would be 2.3M. However against this is the fact that I was able to buy a Rhea for 6.53B while an Ark is currently around a Billion isk more expensive. I estimate that it would take around 8 years to recoup that extra investment, assuming I never lose the ship and make 2 jumps (each way) per week. Without considering that a lot of the fuel costs will be paid for by my customers. In terms of skills pre and post patch, yes my skill plan will be complete well before the 4th June. However, Advanced Spaceship Command V is going to be an early additional skill I intend to train and as I don't have Caldari Industrial IV or V yet (which is dropping to III as a prereq for racial freighters), it wouldn't have taken much longer. It would have been better for me, if it wasn't for the fact that I also want to be able to fly Transport ships too - assuming they still need the racial Industrial skill at V. So really it would have only affected the order I did the training. TBH I really like the skill changes, because it does mean that if I come to regret picking the Rhea, it will only be an 8 day cross train to one of the other racial Freighters at level IV once the racial Industrial prereq drops to III. Yes I was incorrect (or out of date) about the training additional levels once the prereq have changed. I have corrected my post accordingly. Also... A lot of people, especially if they are part of something with a big industry division, pick the JF based on the Ice type that is local. If you live at my current place you get Amarr ice and thus Amarr isotopes. Thia makes using an Ark easier, those isotopes are in good supply on local market while the others have to be imported. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1679	Posted - 2013.04.04 17:00:00 - [18] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Also... A lot of people, especially if they are part of something with a big industry division, pick the JF based on the Ice type that is local. If you live at my current place you get Amarr ice and thus Amarr isotopes. Thia makes using an Ark easier, those isotopes are in good supply on local market while the others have to be imported. True, but if you are jumping out of Jita all the time, it really doesn't matter. A jump freighter can carry a lot of isotopes, especially now that the cargo is accessible in space.
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 2037	Posted - 2013.04.04 17:22:00 - [19] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: J'Poll wrote: Also... A lot of people, especially if they are part of something with a big industry division, pick the JF based on the Ice type that is local. If you live at my current place you get Amarr ice and thus Amarr isotopes. Thia makes using an Ark easier, those isotopes are in good supply on local market while the others have to be imported. True, but if you are jumping out of Jita all the time, it really doesn't matter. A jump freighter can carry a lot of isotopes, especially now that the cargo is accessible in space. Very true if your JF makes trips to the main tradehubs in EVE. Mine doesn't for obvious reasons. So rather have one that is easy to use in the place I'm in. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker.

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